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Back garden to be levelled. Meaning?

  • 20-11-2018 5:57pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7


    Wondering does anyone have an opinion on this. my brother has paid a deposit on house and now its ready so builder wants mortgage drawn down. however the contract said the back garden would be leveled, instead what he got is a back which goes at a 30% angle. The builder has said take it or leave it which my brother don't want to do as he likes the house but wants a flat garden. Is there anyway to force the builder to flaten the garden?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Stanford


    Is there an architect or engineer involved on your part?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Is it possible that the slope gives the site better drainage?

    Sometimes it's better to have a slight incline which matches local topography tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,465 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    If it says "levelled" then he has a case, as there should be no slope.

    BTW he does not want a "flat" garden, thats what he has been given. he specifically wants a level garden.

    Flat and level are two different things and level is far more expensive than flat. (Think retaining walls etc)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Stanford


    gozunda wrote: »
    Is it possible that the slope gives the site better drainage?

    Sometimes it's better to have a slight incline which matches local topography tbh

    Thats not for the builder to decide


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,644 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    "Leveled" in the context of a property sales contract means that there aren't mounds and trenches, not that the garden is level.

    What do the planning permission and the contract say regarding levels?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Stanford wrote: »
    Thats not for the builder to decide

    If there are drainage issues and / or conforms to planning then yes it would. Builders have a legal obligation to build and set out the site as specified by planning regulations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Stanford


    Agreed but we have no idea what conditions were included in the planning decision


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    As Stanford suggests check planning permission

    If there was no engineer nor architect supervising, time to get such now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 786 ✭✭✭aw


    Realistically, if everything else is in order, it's take it or leave it time. It's not a massive thing, in the grand scheme of things. Worst case scenario, hire a minidigger for a day and reseed it for a couple of hundred euro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Stanford


    I'm concerned that the contract said "the back garden would be leveled", you don't usually find this detail in Contracts, what form of contract was signed and were solicitors involved for both parties. Planning drawings would have shown levels and slopes of earthworks unless specified as flat, were the works supervised by an architect or engineer? Who is signing off on the works for the purchaser? Was the level picked up and brought to the builder's attention during construction?

    OP is not bringing enough material to the table to advise on this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,794 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    To be honest, Im with the builder on this one.
    The contract would be referring to the builder having to top soil the garden and make it fit for use as a garden and likely seed it.

    Its bad wording from a legal view point but if I was supervising engineer (which is the work I do), I would read it as just preparing the garden for use as such.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    its probably a level issue.

    Solution is a sloped garden or a stepped garden.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Stanford


    Can we establish if this is a new build or renovation of existing property?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    Mod
    Title amended for clarity


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,644 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Stanford wrote: »
    Can we establish if this is a new build or renovation of existing property?
    It sounds like the sale of a new property in a housing estate, not a contract to build.


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