Second hand reliable diesels - Hyundai i30 2012?

4pot

Looking at changing my old golf estate deisel. Timing belt and tyres and high tax coming up so due a change.

Intial budget was 6k could stretch to a bit more if something particular got my fancy.

I do 700km a week Monday to Friday, so reliabilty, economy and low tax are priorities.

Garage warned me off a 2010 Toyota avensis deisel. Recommended a hyndai i30 (2010-2011 model). Went to look at one, but it did nothing for me, much lighter than the golf and boring. I also saw the newer i30 model, 2012 active 1.6d 6 speed. Ok to drive if a little boring, much more solid than the older model .
One thing I noticed was a lot of the aluminium cast parts in the engine bay having a lot of corrosion. Main body of the car seems fine. Would this be a concern?

Anyone else have recommendations of other cars to look into?

bazz26

Renault Megane 3?

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2071707&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D72%26o%5B%5D%3D619%26b%3D2%26yn%3D2012%26yx%3D2013%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

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kerten

2012+ i30 1.6 diesel(or Kia Ceed as its sister model) is a reliable model but it is a relatively heavy car in that class(Opel Astra being the other one with similar weight) which impacts fuel consumption and performance. That said, extra weight makes it feel solid and improves comfort in motorway driving.

Parents have one at home in estate fashion 1.6 diesel automatic. Its fuel consumption is high in stop/start type of driving but not bad for steady motorway driving. In motorway, it is 1lt/100 km extra fuel consumption over their previous car(07 skoda fabia 1.4 tdi) at any speed.

4pot

I drove a renault fluence1.5dci a few years back and was really surprised at how nice and efficent it was.
Only thing is the timing belt in the Megane that would put me off, and the inside I don't think is as nice as others in the class.
I looked at a kia ceed mk2 2012 1.6d. supposed to 125bhp, but couldn't tell the difference really from the i30. I liked the ceed too. Might take the plunge with this. 70+mpg, can't fault that

EPAndlee

4pot wrote: »

I drove a renault fluence1.5dci a few years back and was really surprised at how nice and efficent it was.
Only thing is the timing belt in the Megane that would put me off, and the inside I don't think is as nice as others in the class.
I looked at a kia ceed mk2 2012 1.6d. supposed to 125bhp, but couldn't tell the difference really from the i30. I liked the ceed too. Might take the plunge with this. 70+mpg, can't fault that

Timing belt interval is 150,000 km or 5 years but some dealers say 160,000 km or 6 years

bazz26

4pot wrote: »

I drove a renault fluence1.5dci a few years back and was really surprised at how nice and efficent it was.
Only thing is the timing belt in the Megane that would put me off, and the inside I don't think is as nice as others in the class.
I looked at a kia ceed mk2 2012 1.6d. supposed to 125bhp, but couldn't tell the difference really from the i30. I liked the ceed too. Might take the plunge with this. 70+mpg, can't fault that

Why is a timing belt putting you and where are you getting figures of 70+mpg from, the sales brochure?

The_Honeybadger

Civic 2.2d is lovely a colleague of mine has one I’d be driving one myself if I didn’t need a family wagon. If you stretch the budget another 2k you’d get a newer 1.6d civic. I love the interior it’s just so much nicer than a lot of the competition

4pot

Well I racked up120k kms in 3 years on my golf with one timing done and another on the way, it's just an expenise I'd rather not have. Because of the milage I do, the plan is to keep the car for 3-4 years and I don't want the e500 outlay for a timing belt at the end of it.

Yeah 70mpg from the specs. It's combined mpg. Why, do you think it's not realistic? I get 48 from my golf and it's 51 on the spec of it so close enough

bazz26

To be honest if €500 is the only outlay you have with a car after 3 or 4 years then your doing well. At the end of the day cars contain wear and tear parts which have a limited lifespan and eventually need replacing, a timing belt is one of them just like brake pads or oil, it's a fact of life of car ownership. Timing chains were supposed to supersede the belt as maintenance free but have more than proved in a lot of car of not being up to the task. If you have to replace a timing chain then it can be more expensive than replacing a belt.

Regarding fuel consumption, manufacturers claimed figures are just that, they are gotten from testing cars and has been proven lately they have been known to be inaccurate to make cars more sellable. They are tested in a lab or a test track with the panel gaps taped up, door mirrors removed, etc to make the car more aerodynamic and hence fuel efficient. It never works out that way in the real world.

4pot

Plunged for the Kia ceed 2013, 1.6d hatchback.
E7600 with my own. Less than 75k miles on it. Delighted so far, only thing is road noise isn't great but I've read a change of tyres would help in this regard.

Cheers for the replies

WestWicklow1

I have an 09 Ceed estate. Tyre noise on it was ok until the tyres wore to about 50%. Thought a wheel bearing was gone the noise was so bad. Got it inspected no problems could be found but mechanic suggested tyre noise/rumble. Eventually put new tyres on and it was like a new car.

My tyres were Ceat, replacements are goodyear, what have you got?

68 lost souls

4pot wrote: »

Yeah 70mpg from the specs. It's combined mpg. Why, do you think it's not realistic? I get 48 from my golf and it's 51 on the spec of it so close enough

My golf is marketed as 60mpg I have averaged 43 since owning it

4pot

68 lost souls wrote: »

My golf is marketed as 60mpg I have averaged 43 since owning it

*Update
The ceed is going, it's too uncomfortable. I test drove on decent roads around the town, out in the country side on poor surfaces it's crap, just bangs over broken surfaces. Handling is only mediocre and economy is way lower than I expected, only 55mpg. A 2010/11 civic is in my budget might try that. Would like to go back to an estate of VW it Skoda though.

Heres Johnny

4pot wrote: »

*Update
The ceed is going, it's too uncomfortable. I test drove on decent roads around the town, out in the country side on poor surfaces it's crap, just bangs over broken surfaces. Handling is only mediocre and economy is way lower than I expected, only 55mpg. A 2010/11 civic is in my budget might try that. Would like to go back to an estate of VW it Skoda though.

My car an Audi a6 is marketed at 60mpg I think but I'm getting high 40s. There's not much out there getting more than 55mpg to be honest.

What's your budget now?

Think you might benefit from a bigger car, maybe a passat or a superb?

colm_mcm

4pot wrote: »

*Update
The ceed is going, it's too uncomfortable. I test drove on decent roads around the town, out in the country side on poor surfaces it's crap, just bangs over broken surfaces. Handling is only mediocre and economy is way lower than I expected, only 55mpg. A 2010/11 civic is in my budget might try that. Would like to go back to an estate of VW it Skoda though.

If economy and comfort are priorities, then a diesel Civic won’t be a great move.

robm360

4pot wrote: »

*Update
The ceed is going, it's too uncomfortable. I test drove on decent roads around the town, out in the country side on poor surfaces it's crap, just bangs over broken surfaces. Handling is only mediocre and economy is way lower than I expected, only 55mpg. A 2010/11 civic is in my budget might try that. Would like to go back to an estate of VW it Skoda though.

I own a 2010 Honda Civic, 2.2 cdti. You won’t find the ride quality any better in it on bad surfaces I’m afraid to tell you. Mpg wise expect around 50 mpg. Good car otherwise.

selectamatic

A 2.0tdi Octavia estate would be the logical choice. Even the 1.6tdi might suit.

bazz26

4pot wrote: »

*Update
The ceed is going, it's too uncomfortable. I test drove on decent roads around the town, out in the country side on poor surfaces it's crap, just bangs over broken surfaces. Handling is only mediocre and economy is way lower than I expected, only 55mpg. A 2010/11 civic is in my budget might try that. Would like to go back to an estate of VW it Skoda though.

You need to start looking at the next segment up. An Avensis as boring as they are a good comfortable mile muncher.

kerten

4pot wrote: »

*Update
The ceed is going, it's too uncomfortable. I test drove on decent roads around the town, out in the country side on poor surfaces it's crap, just bangs over broken surfaces. Handling is only mediocre and economy is way lower than I expected, only 55mpg. A 2010/11 civic is in my budget might try that. Would like to go back to an estate of VW it Skoda though.

Does it have large alloys and low profile tyres ?

Kia models may have stiffer setup than sister hyundai models due to sportier brand positioning not sure though.

My parent's 13 i30 had 205/55/16 tyres on it and was pretty comfy suspension wise.

55 mpg is better than I expected. They are heavy cars for their size.

If you are going for an used alternative, keep in mind that hyundai/kia 1.6 diesel is probably least risky diesel engine to buy reliability wise.

4pot

Thanks for the replies. Yeah maybe ye are right about looking at bigger cars, I occasionally get to drive a 2013 Passat estate at work and like the comfort they have. Not sure what size it is 1.6 or 2 l TDI.
Budget is 6-7k. Doing 700+km a week.
I was considering an Avensis but was warned off them, that there's a BMW diesel engine in them that gives trouble? They are boring too

Maybe a Mégane, but these don't get me too excited either. Skoda's I find are expensive second hand, matching VW prices or exceeding them in some cases.
I know I'm being fussy but with the time spent in the car I want to get the next one I get right!

bazz26

4pot wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. Yeah maybe ye are right about looking at bigger cars, I occasionally get to drive a 2013 Passat estate at work and like the comfort they have. Not sure what size it is 1.6 or 2 l TDI.
Budget is 6-7k. Doing 700+km a week.
I was considering an Avensis but was warned off them, that there's a BMW diesel engine in them that gives trouble? They are boring too

Maybe a Mégane, but these don't get me too excited either. Skoda's I find are expensive second hand, matching VW prices or exceeding them in some cases.
I know I'm being fussy but with the time spent in the car I want to get the next one I get right!

The Avensis in your budget will not have BMW diesel engines.

4pot

bazz26 wrote: »

The Avensis in your budget will not have BMW diesel engines.

What years would we be talking about for the Avensis? Thé 2.0d.? There's a 2.2 aswell it appears

bazz26

4pot wrote: »

What years would we be talking about for the Avensis? Thé 2.0d.? There's a 2.2 aswell it appears

2.0d from 2009 to 2015. 2.2d is best avoided. BMW engines were 1.6d and 2.0d engines fitted to the facelift from 2015 onwards.

selectamatic

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-octavia-vrs-estate/24065951

Octavia Vrs tdi 170 estate


If considering an avensis estate go for a facelift 2012+ one in a decent spec. Great cars if half minded and well able to eat up mileage in comfort. Not much goes wrong in them except perhaps injector issues the facelift ones are less prone to electric handbrake problems.

4pot

selectamatic wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/skoda-octavia-vrs-estate/24065951

Octavia Vrs tdi 170 estate


If considering an avensis estate go for a facelift 2012+ one in a decent spec. Great cars if half minded and well able to eat up mileage in comfort. Not much goes wrong in them except perhaps injector issues the facelift ones are less prone to electric handbrake problems.

Would a Passat 2.0tdi be as reliable as the Skoda? The vrs looks nice. Will have a look for a nice avensis too

4pot

I drove a VW Passat 2.0tdi 140bhp with the 6 speed dsg g/b. 2012.
Taught it was great, comfort and speed. Service history is a bit flakey though. 130k miles on the clock

Anyone experience of this generation Passat with this engine and gearbox?

4pot

4pot wrote: »

I drove a VW Passat 2.0tdi 140bhp with the 6 speed dsg g/b. 2012.
Taught it was great, comfort and speed. Service history is a bit flakey though. 130k miles on the clock

Anyone experience of this generation Passat with this engine and gearbox?

It's the b7 Passat

kerten

4pot wrote: »

I drove a VW Passat 2.0tdi 140bhp with the 6 speed dsg g/b. 2012.
Taught it was great, comfort and speed. Service history is a bit flakey though. 130k miles on the clock

Anyone experience of this generation Passat with this engine and gearbox?

DSG gearbox requires regular servicing and it is not the most reliable gearbox in the market. 6 speed one is called wet clutch model which is more reliable than the dry clutch 7 speed version though. 130k miles with partial history sounds like a gamble unless you get the car checked throughly. If you need to go high mileage examples, manual is a better bet in vag group potential running cost wise.