Gender Quotas in a Non Binary World

SafeSurfer

If a right wing party in Ireland claimed that 30% of their (all male) election candidates indenified as female would they comply with the gender quotas of 30% female candidates under the Electoral (Political Funding) Act 2012?


It seems there would be a conflict between two rights, the positive discrimination of women and the right to identify with whatever gender you choose.

Are binary gender quotas themselves discriminatory in a gender fluid, non binary world?

BattleCorp

I'd love if Donald Trump would self-identify as female. She'd then be the first female president of the US.

Imagine how many people would lose their sh1t over that one.

DEFTLEFTHAND

That's a good question.

This thing is bound to attract all sorts of chancers.

Like what's to stop some man presenting as gender fluid when applying for jobs which require physical fitness testing. For instance the guards, army, navy?

By law the male would have to be allowed to take the easier female test. If not the State could open themselves up to a discrimination lawsuit.

Victor

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

That's a good question.

This thing is bound to attract all sorts of chancers.

Like what's to stop some man presenting as gender fluid when applying for jobs which require physical fitness testing. For instance the guards, army, navy?

By law the male would have to be allowed to take the easier female test. If not the State could open themselves up to a discrimination lawsuit.

I'm not certain, but I think a lot of those distinctions have been done away with.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Victor wrote: »

I'm not certain, but I think a lot of those distinctions have been done away with.

No they have not.

My younger brother recently joined the guards, started in the college in January .


Pre fitness test for male and female recruits is very different.


Girls do press ups off their knees, do a lower rep of situps and have a lower pass standard in the beep, and push pull tests.

Pug160

I have always wondered whether or not press ups are a somewhat useless exercise. Although anyone with a reasonable amount of upper body strength should be able to do at least a few of them, of course. I'm just thinking though - would something like grip strength not be more important? I've watched a few men struggle with press ups because they're overweight, but they would probably still have basic strength.

Guy:Incognito

Pug160 wrote: »

I have always wondered whether or not press ups are a somewhat useless exercise. .

If you're doing them on your knees they definitely are.

Pug160

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If you're doing them on your knees they definitely are.

Oh anyone with a reasonable level of fitness/strength should be able to do a few. But I'm not sure what doing a few of them actually demonstrates. I'm guessing they're testing for functional strength, so is it a relevant exercise. I'm not an expert - I'm just thinking off the cuff here. How does it differ from the fire brigade test for example?

Pug160

I wasn't trying to be facetious with those posts - I genuinely don't know. There obviously needs to be some kind of minimum requirement in terms of physical testing. But surely the real test is being able to do the actual job itself. I'm a lot stronger than a friend of mine. I remember he asked me to go along with him one night to do Brazilian jiu jitsu and one of the things I remember the most was how tough it was to work out what was going on. I was even placed with a young woman and my only saving grace was my grip strength. And even then I was only able to get away with it because they weren't that experienced.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Pug160 wrote: »

I have always wondered whether or not press ups are a somewhat useless exercise. Although anyone with a reasonable amount of upper body strength should be able to do at least a few of them, of course. I'm just thinking though - would something like grip strength not be more important? I've watched a few men struggle with press ups because they're overweight, but they would probably still have basic strength.

It's a good indication of fitness. To press your body weight up and down in heavy repetition requires strength and conditioning. Everything is working.

The core stength is the most important thing in a proper pressup.


The Plank and side plank are great exerices to practice to improve press up form.

squawker

wtf does that even mean

Binary world my hole

pleas advice

you're either with us or against us, in or out, on or off, black or white, ...

Mookie Blaylock

If I had ten euro note for every gender there is now.......I'd have €20 and a fckload of counterfeits!

Zorya

It's already been done, OP. Look at these lovelies..

Mexico’s electoral tribunal has disqualified 15 male candidates who pretended to be transgender to get around gender parity rules in the southern state of Oaxaca.

The indigenous Zapotec community of the isthmus of Tehuantepec has long recognized a third gender of transgender people known as – who are born with male bodies, but identify as neither male or female.

Electoral rules in Oaxaca allow muxes to occupy candidacies designated for women.

On Friday, the tribunal – the final referee in political and electoral matters – ruled that the disqualified candidates were not known to be muxes before the candidate registration period.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/22/mexico-elections-fake-transgender-candidates-disqualified

Guy:Incognito

squawker wrote: »

wtf does that even mean

Binary world my hole

We ate living in a binary world,
And I am a binary person.
You know that we are living in a binary world
And I am binary person.

Some people romance, some people slow dance
That's all right with they
If they can't raise its interest, then we have to let they be
Some they try, and some they lie
But one don't let they play, no way
Only them that save it's pennies make our rainy day

Sky King

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It seems there would be a conflict between two rights, the positive discrimination of women and the right to identify with whatever gender you choose.

Are binary gender quotas themselves discriminatory in a gender fluid, non binary world?

Im in my 30s but I was thinking of identifying as 67 so that I could claim a pension. Also I think all ftse100 company boards should be 50% women. They should also have a traveller, an Asian person, a mix of old people and 18 year olds, some mentally challenged people, a few gays, one transsexual and someone off the dole.

Seriously though this is the exact problem with the group identity politics / sjw/ roe mc Dermot types.

You can freely generalise about people and judge them all negatively as a group based on a percentage of their members, once the group fits a particular set of criteria (richer than you, more successful, white, male, take your pick) but to do the same for groups such as travellers, gay ppl or social welfare recipients!? Sacrilege!

It's the prime reason why identity politics and this idea of forced quotas is such boll ocks

Sky King

Edit. Double post.

Franz Von Peppercorn

a self identified trans woman could run on a woman’s only panel in Ireland.

SafeSurfer

Sky King wrote: »

Im in my 30s but I was thinking of identifying as 67 so that I could claim a pension. Also I think all ftse100 company boards should be 50% women. They should also have a traveller, an Asian person, a mix of old people and 18 year olds, some mentally challenged people, a few gays, one transsexual and someone off the dole.

Seriously though this is the exact problem with the group identity politics / sjw/ roe mc Dermot types.

You can freely generalise about people and judge them all negatively as a group based on a percentage of their members, once the group fits a particular set of criteria (richer than you, more successful, white, male, take your pick) but to do the same for groups such as travellers, gay ppl or social welfare recipients!? Sacrilege!

It's the prime reason why identity politics and this idea of forced quotas is such boll ocks

Interesting. So forced quotas are bollocks but forced gender identity is cool?

lgbtqiapk and diversity makes for a better, more inclusive world. Equality quotas are in place to ensure that dominant groups, such as white males don’t abuse their dominant position to perpetuate enshrined inequality.

Representation across the age spectrum would benefit society also. However I don’t see how you can simply identify as a different age. Otherwise 6 year olds could claim to be 18 and register to vote.

Dr_serious2

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Interesting. So forced quotas are bollocks but forced gender identity is cool?

lgbtqiapk and diversity makes for a better, more inclusive world. Equality quotas are in place to ensure that dominant groups, such as white males don’t abuse their dominant position to perpetuate enshrined inequality.

Representation across the age spectrum would benefit society also. However I don’t see how you can simply identify as a different age. Otherwise 6 year olds could claim to be 18 and register to vote.

If I identify as a woman should I be allowed to benefit from gender quotas? Is it self identification or who gets to decide if I am a woman?

Gender quotas are a load of crap, completely undemocratic. Any sign of them in primary teaching where 90% are female? Doubt it as it's only jobs with a lack of women the elites care about.

Sky King

Equality quotas are in place to ensure that dominant groups, such as white males...

Who decides what these groups are, and what ranks their dominance? Do gay white males outrank straight black males or vice versa? What about white male travellers? Are they a more dominant group than settled females? What if someone has one black grandparent? How do they rank?

suicide_circus

one day all this horsesheit is going to come crashing down and i will laugh hard.

The Rape of Lucretia

It is a binary world. You are one or the other. You can identify as a horse, or a gungan all you like. But you are still a human female or male.
So no. It wouldnt satisfy the gender quotas.

SafeSurfer

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

It is a binary world. You are one or the other. You can identify as a horse, or a gungan all you like. But you are still a human female or male.
So no. It wouldnt satisfy the gender quotas.

In Irish legislation you can decide what gender you are yourself.

So I believe a trans gender male could run as a female election candidate thus satisfying gender quota legislation.

http://www.thejournal.ie/transgender-recognition-certificate-3092428-Nov2016/

mammajamma

SafeSurfer wrote: »

If a right wing party in Ireland claimed that 30% of their (all male) election candidates indenified as female would they comply with the gender quotas of 30% female candidates under the Electoral (Political Funding) Act 2012?


It seems there would be a conflict between two rights, the positive discrimination of women and the right to identify with whatever gender you choose.

Are binary gender quotas themselves discriminatory in a gender fluid, non binary world?

Its "difficult" to build a framework of insanity and layer it over a real functioning reality. Just an observation of, like, everything ever

JohnMc1

suicide_circus wrote: »

one day all this horsesheit is going to come crashing down and i will laugh hard.

The sad thing is that they'll take the Country down because of their stupidity.