Titleist ap1 712 vs 716

tritriagain

Thinking if buying a set of either of the above. Are the 716's worth the few extra quid. Not a label head so don't have to have newest. Are there any significant differences other than loft.

First Up

tritriagain wrote:

Thinking if buying a set of either of the above. Are the 716's worth the few extra quid. Not a label head so don't have to have newest. Are there any significant differences other than loft.

Get fitted. Buying clubs off the shelf is a mug's game.

tritriagain

First Up wrote: »

Get fitted. Buying clubs off the shelf is a mug's game.

Can't afford it. . Would love to but too many draws on too little money im afraid.

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tritriagain wrote:

Can't afford it. . Would love to but too many draws on too little money im afraid.

Most serious golf providers will deduct the price of the fitting from the cost of the clubs.

But I can't believe you would think it a good idea to spend hundreds on a set of clubs without verifying they are right for you. That is taking 'false economy' to a new level.

tritriagain

First Up wrote: »

Most serious golf providers will deduct the price of the fitting from the cost of the clubs.

But I can't believe you would think it a good idea to spend hundreds on a set of clubs without verifying they are right for you. That is taking 'false economy' to a new level.

Im sorry I offended you by not having enough money to get fitted. As I said I would if I could. I was just asking people's opinions on the 2 clubs in general as I can try both out by the weekend.

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tritriagain wrote:

Im sorry I offended you by not having enough money to get fitted. As I said I would if I could. I was just asking people's opinions on the 2 clubs in general as I can try both out by the weekend.

Fitting won't cost you anything as I explained above. Other peoples' opinions are meaningless unless you have almost identical swings and level of ability. Asking for opinions in an internet forum is pointless.

tritriagain

First Up wrote: »

Fitting won't cost you anything as I explained above. Other peoples' opinions are meaningless unless you have almost identical swings and level of ability. Asking for opinions in an internet forum is pointless.

Fitting won't cost anything if I buy new clubs. Which I can't afford. Did you actually play either of these clubs. What I was looking for was someone who maybe played both and could contrast them for me. I appreciate fitting is the way to go but it's not an option, as it is not for many golfers.

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tritriagain wrote:

Fitting won't cost anything if I buy new clubs. Which I can't afford. Did you actually play either of these clubs. What I was looking for was someone who maybe played both and could contrast them for me. I appreciate fitting is the way to go but it's not an option, as it is not for many golfers.

It is the only option for anyone serious about improving.

But if you insist on going on the opinions of people you have never met, you should at least say a bit about your own game so you know which opinions might be relevant. A 20 handicapper won't learn much from what works for someone playing off 5 - and vice versa.

tritriagain

First Up wrote: »

It is the only option for anyone serious about improving.

But if you insist on going on the opinions of people you have never met, you should at least say a bit about your own game so you know which opinions might be relevant. A 20 handicapper won't learn much from what works for someone playing off 5 - and vice versa.

Thanks for your time but just forget it. I thought this forum was for discussion about the original post not for you to get on your high horse and lecture me . Thanks again.

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tritriagain wrote:

Thanks for your time but just forget it. I thought this forum was for discussion about the original post not for you to get on your high horse and lecture me . Thanks again.

I'm not lecturing you. I'm offering you advice that you are welcome to use or ignore.

tritriagain

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I'm not lecturing you. I'm offering you advice that you are welcome to use or ignore.

You're offering advice to a question that wasn't asked . The question was regarding the comparison of the two clubs. Not being smart but I said in my second post I can't afford fitting/new clubs.

Mantis Toboggan

Any reason why you've narrowed it down to those two?

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tritriagain wrote:

You're offering advice to a question that wasn't asked . The question was regarding the comparison of the two clubs. Not being smart but I said in my second post I can't afford fitting/new clubs.

If money is that tight, why risk spending it on the wrong clubs?

You are asking the wrong question of the wrong people. Both the clubs you mention are right for someone but that doesn't help you know which is better for you.

The only reliable advice on the right clubs will come from professional, qualified analysis. You can get that for as little as €30.

tritriagain

First Up wrote: »

If money is that tight, why risk spending it on the wrong clubs?

You are asking the wrong question of the wrong people. Both the clubs you mention are right for someone but that doesn't help you know which is better for you.

The only reliable advice on the right clubs will come from professional, qualified analysis. You can get that for as little as €30.

Thanks.

tritriagain

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Any reason why you've narrowed it down to those two?

I tried the ping g series which I liked but am playing ping at the moment so not much of a change. Also tried ez forged which I really likedthe look of and would have bought but didn't get the feel for them at all. Always wanted and liked the look of Titleist irons. As I said earlier i can try both these out so was just looking for some knowledge before hand regarding feel etc.

Seve OB

Have to say you should just getting fitted as already said it will not cost you any more money from pretty much every retailer. If it does, go somewhere else.

The only reason not to get fitted is if you are buying second hand clubs.

tritriagain

Seve OB wrote: »

Have to say you should just getting fitted as already said it will not cost you any more money from pretty much every retailer. If it does, go somewhere else.

The only reason not to get fitted is if you are buying second hand clubs.

Sorry I assumed because they are older clubs I was buying second hand. Should have been clearer

morrga

tritriagain wrote: »

Sorry I assumed because they are older clubs I was buying second hand. Should have been clearer

I used the 712 clubs up until recently and they are still perfect. I would thoroughly recommend them. I bought them off the shelf and it did me no harm as I went from 19 to 12 with them. Good luck with them.

Stacksey

First Up wrote: »

Get fitted. Buying clubs off the shelf is a mug's game.

Anywhere you recommend getting fitted for irons?

morrga

Stacksey wrote: »

Anywhere you recommend getting fitted for irons?

McGuirks are doing some promotion at the minute with Trackman. Free 10 minutes of hitting clubs to see where your game is at.

https://www.mcguirksgolf.com/page/trackman-fitting/1092

IITYWYBMAD

Stacksey wrote: »

Anywhere you recommend getting fitted for irons?

https://www.foregolf.ie/

Stacksey

IITYWYBMAD wrote: »

https://www.foregolf.ie/

Cheers, €100 is pretty pricey for getting custom fit for a set of Irons if your also buying the Irons from them

dan_ep82

Same lofts, just aesthetics. Numbers were the same for me.

No harm trying to find out your length and lie angle. Static measurement should not cost very much, €20 or so.

I only say this as Titleist are very upright off the shelf compared to most other brands.

RoadRunner

A quick look online shows me the 716 lofts are significantly stronger than the 712. So 716 will go a good bit further, just be careful that doesn't leave you needing to bin your wedges too! ap1 716 pw loft is 43° so good if you already have a wedge around 48° or if the set comes with another wedge that covers that gap, the 716 ap1 seems to have a more lofted gap wedge at 47°

See loft differences below that I've found online

ap1 712 loft pw, 9i, 8i... 45°, 41°, 37°
ap1 714 loft pw, 9i, 8i.. 44°, 40°, 36°
ap1 716 loft pw, 9i, 8i... 43°, 39°, 35°

prawnsambo

RoadRunner wrote: »

A quick look online shows me the 716 lofts are significantly stronger than the 712. So 716 will go a good bit further, just be careful that doesn't leave you needing to bin your wedges too! ap1 716 pw loft is 43° so good if you already have a wedge around 48° or if the set comes with another wedge that covers that gap, the 716 ap1 seems to have a more lofted gap wedge at 47°

See loft differences below that I've found online

ap1 712 loft pw, 9i, 8i... 45°, 41°, 37°
ap1 714 loft pw, 9i, 8i.. 44°, 40°, 36°
ap1 716 loft pw, 9i, 8i... 43°, 39°, 35°

Those 712 lofts seem to be more like what seems to be a roughly standard loft these days. The 716 lofts look too strong imo. Two degrees between a 712 9i and a 716 PW seems a bit mad.

dan_ep82

RoadRunner wrote: »

A quick look online shows me the 716 lofts are significantly stronger than the 712. So 716 will go a good bit further, just be careful that doesn't leave you needing to bin your wedges too! ap1 716 pw loft is 43° so good if you already have a wedge around 48° or if the set comes with another wedge that covers that gap, the 716 ap1 seems to have a more lofted gap wedge at 47°

See loft differences below that I've found online

ap1 712 loft pw, 9i, 8i... 45°, 41°, 37°
ap1 714 loft pw, 9i, 8i.. 44°, 40°, 36°
ap1 716 loft pw, 9i, 8i... 43°, 39°, 35°

Your right, sorry I miss read the title as AP2.


No experience with AP1 so disregard my post above.