Reward systems in the work place

lufties

[font=Roboto, Arial, sans-serif][color=var(--ytd-comment-text-color)]As someone who works in the aviation sector. I am hard working and ambitious. However, in organisations I've worked in, it is based on how you tow the company line all the time, rather than how you perform. As I high performer, I complete my work and take the slack from others who are slow. Effectively being punished for working hard.

[color=var(--ytd-comment-text-color)]Anyway, I just wondered if others experience this poor style of managing, where if you play the game and drag out your work you get rewarded.[/color]
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Wanderer2010

Pretty much every job I worked in, the person who does the most work, does the most overtime and makes the most suggestions, gets ridden by the boss who uses their enthusiasm for all its worth. One of two things happen- either the hard worker keeps being a fool and the situation continues or, one day, the hard workers gets chewed out for not being 100% perfect and they just snap and realize that they are being taken for a mug while their co workers get away with murder all around them so they quit and the boss, too cowardly to tackle the wasters, hires another enthusiastic worker and the cycle continues.

It all depends on the culture of course but in general ive found if you are direct, even curt, to your boss and refuse to be a walkover, they do actually respect you for it on one level. I was asked to do overtime recently and I had a wedding that weekend so I said I cant make it and the boss was trying to cajole and persuade and I told him straight out "I cant come, its as simple as that" and he nodded to me and said Fair enough but with the worker who does everything he would try the guilt trip. Ive seen workers who do absolutely NOTHING all day but gossip and surf the web and yet the boss loves them for some shared interest. Fair? God no but that's the working world.

Moral = either dedicate your life to a company or just work to live.

lufties

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Pretty much every job I worked in, the person who does the most work, does the most overtime and makes the most suggestions, gets ridden by the boss who uses their enthusiasm for all its worth. One of two things happen- either the hard worker keeps being a fool and the situation continues or, one day, the hard workers gets chewed out for not being 100% perfect and they just snap and realize that they are being taken for a mug while their co workers get away with murder all around them so they quit and the boss, too cowardly to tackle the wasters, hires another enthusiastic worker and the cycle continues.

It all depends on the culture of course but in general ive found if you are direct, even curt, to your boss and refuse to be a walkover, they do actually respect you for it on one level. I was asked to do overtime recently and I had a wedding that weekend so I said I cant make it and the boss was trying to cajole and persuade and I told him straight out "I cant come, its as simple as that" and he nodded to me and said Fair enough but with the worker who does everything he would try the guilt trip. Ive seen workers who do absolutely NOTHING all day but gossip and surf the web and yet the boss loves them for some shared interest. Fair? God no but that's the working world.

Moral = either dedicate your life to a company or just work to live.

Yes, this is the reality of the modern work place. Managers are too cowardly to tackle poor performance, and would rather rinse the high performers. They will go for the path of least resistance all the time until you put your foot down.
Standing up for yourself is not encouraged in society, but being an obedient slave to corporations is. It takes courage to be assertive, but it is a necessity.

beauf

How on earth did you format that so badly.

lufties wrote: »

...Anyway, I just wondered if others experience this poor style of managing, where if you play the game and drag out your work you get rewarded.....

Its quite normal.

lufties

beauf wrote: »

How on earth did you format that so badly.



Its quite normal.

What?

beauf

His original post shows up with a ton of HTML tags. Do you not see that?

Its quite normal what he described. Happens in most places.

lufties

beauf wrote: »

His original post shows up with a ton of HTML tags. Do you not see that?

Its quite normal what he described. Happens in most places.

Yeah, doesn't make it right though. It seems all the leadership courses in the world can't change human nature

fando

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Pretty much every job I worked in, the person who does the most work, does the most overtime and makes the most suggestions, gets ridden by the boss who uses their enthusiasm for all its worth. One of two things happen- either the hard worker keeps being a fool and the situation continues or, one day, the hard workers gets chewed out for not being 100% perfect and they just snap and realize that they are being taken for a mug while their co workers get away with murder all around them so they quit and the boss, too cowardly to tackle the wasters, hires another enthusiastic worker and the cycle continues.

It all depends on the culture of course but in general ive found if you are direct, even curt, to your boss and refuse to be a walkover, they do actually respect you for it on one level. I was asked to do overtime recently and I had a wedding that weekend so I said I cant make it and the boss was trying to cajole and persuade and I told him straight out "I cant come, its as simple as that" and he nodded to me and said Fair enough but with the worker who does everything he would try the guilt trip. Ive seen workers who do absolutely NOTHING all day but gossip and surf the web and yet the boss loves them for some shared interest. Fair? God no but that's the working world.

Moral = either dedicate your life to a company or just work to live.

Exact my experience. Worked hard in my former company in hope of being rewarded at some point. When I realised it's not going to happen I left for less demanding, but still better paid job. I clock out now and go home with clear head.

OMM 0000

You need to learn to play the game.

When I work hard, I make sure the senior management know about it.

I'll write an e-mail or report explaining what I have done and what the benefits are, and then lay out the next steps and what the benefits will be.

Almost no one does this, so it makes me the obvious choice for the next promotion.

lufties

OMM 0000 wrote: »

You need to learn to play the game.

When I work hard, I make sure the senior management know about it.

I'll write an e-mail or report explaining what I have done and what the benefits are, and then lay out the next steps and what the benefits will be.

Almost no one does this, so it makes me the obvious choice for the next promotion.

Yeah, I guess it depends on the circumstance. I'm a sub contractor in a blue collar job, therefore its not as cut and dry as you'd think. But I agree, look after number 1.

Wanderer78

Modern management theory entails squeezing the life out of all workers, including management, to within an inch of their life, sometimes to death, welcome to the working work, it sucks. Clock in, do your bit, but don't kill yourself, make sure to have a laugh while doing it to, and when it becomes unfun, move on, life's too short. Best of luck

OMM 0000

I think you can also use a bit of self-defence logic too.

Street thugs almost always choose their victims. For example, if there's a big Irish lad walking down O'Connell Street, and also a small Chinese woman walking 50 meters behind him, the thugs are going to choose to rob her.

So don't kill yourself in work. Just make sure you're not the vicim. That generally means be a bit better than the average person on your team. That's probably not that difficult.

_Brian

One company I worked in, came round to annual reviews. We had a forced distribution to meet which meant 10% had to be IR no matter what.

I had a heated argument with my boss over this as my team had had an exceptional year and overall porformamce was good, he forced me into a corner by saying “it’s them or it’s you”, “distribution must be met every year”

It was them.

Wanderer78

_Brian wrote:

I had a heated argument with my boss over this as my team had had an exceptional year and overall porformamce was good, he forced me into a corner by saying “it’s them or it’s youâ€, “distribution must be met every yearâ€

More modern management theory, competition is good, the more aggressive, the better, even if this undermines the cohesion of the work force, this is good!

lufties

_Brian wrote: »

One company I worked in, came round to annual reviews. We had a forced distribution to meet which meant 10% had to be IR no matter what.

I had a heated argument with my boss over this as my team had had an exceptional year and overall porformamce was good, he forced me into a corner by saying “it’s them or it’s you”, “distribution must be met every year”

It was them.

I have no idea what your post means

_Brian

lufties wrote: »

I have no idea what your post means

Many multinational companies run a system where 10-15% get 0 pay increases, 10-15% get double increases and every else gets the average.

No matter how good a team perform it will be forced so that the bottom 10-15% get IR amd 0% pay increase.

I’ve given 0% for absolute trivial events. It’s an ugly system.

skallywag

_Brian wrote: »

One company I worked in, came round to annual reviews. We had a forced distribution to meet which meant 10% had to be IR no matter what.

I had a heated argument with my boss over this as my team had had an exceptional year and overall porformamce was good, he forced me into a corner by saying “it’s them or it’s you”, “distribution must be met every year”

It was them.

I have been in exactly the same situation at my previous company.

What left me gobsmacked the most was that people who were normally very level headed and logical were trying to sell this to me. I refused to mark someone down just to keep the statistics happy, which culminated in a very senior manager calling me and explaining why he thought that one of my team should be placed into the Needs Improvement bracket. I stuck to my guns in the end and simply told him that I was not going to give this rating, but that if he felt so strongly about it then he himself could override my own ratings anyway, once the consolidated results were reviewed.

I'm glad I stuck to my guns and did what I felt was the right thing to do, but it was also the case that I did myself no favours that day concerning my future within that organization.