unfair hiring practices - SEMI State

Morris85

Hi,

Using a new user name as I am trying to remain anon as I don't believe there is anything I can do in the situation.

Background - About 6 months ago, young lad in finance office gets put into a senior finance position after a vacancy became open. No interview process and simply because the right person liked him.

Now, the job is going to be openly advertised but this guy is now going around the office boasting that the job is his but he has to interview for it and how his opponents are wasting their time.

If he was of a high caliber and more humble, I wouldn't think twice. Also if this vacancy was to be advertised internally only instead of inviting external candidates and wasting their time I wouldn't be on here wondering about the fairness of it all.

Is there anything specifically preventing SEMI states from hiring in this manner and also if I were to raise this further, what would the potential consequences be for me. Would it be best to ignore this completely.

thanks
Morris

Jim2007

Well the company has not done anything unfair or illegal! So you have nothing to complain about.

If a deal had been done, I'd expect who ever did the deal would have told him to keep his mouth shut! I'd speculate that his behaviour is designed to reduce the competition by suggesting that it is a done deal.

If it were me, I'd wind him up - tell him you've heard there is a lot of interest in the job and a few really good people that you know are applying it and there is no way his deal will stand up with HR. Just to see the reaction.

Morris85

Jim2007 wrote: »

Well the company has not done anything unfair or illegal! So you have nothing to complain about.

If a deal had been done, I'd expect who ever did the deal would have told him to keep his mouth shut! I'd speculate that his behaviour is designed to reduce the competition by suggesting that it is a done deal.

If it were me, I'd wind him up - tell him you've heard there is a lot of interest in the job and a few really good people that you know are applying it and there is no way his deal will stand up with HR. Just to see the reaction.

That’s what I am trying to clarify if fair practices need to be followed being that this company is a semi state.

It wouldn’t be the first time that this has happened but this guy that they are lifting up is really immature and boasting. I could tell stories on how immature this guy is, but i could be identifing myself.

If there is nothing wrong with this practice and nowhere I could report this too for further investigation, then fair enough. I’ll accept and move on.

Thanks

_Brian

Semi state or private lots of positions are filled before interview

thomas 123

_Brian wrote: »

Semi state or private lots of positions are filled before interview

Dont forget State

OMM 0000

You dislike the guy?

You're jealous of him?

You want to screw up this promotion for him?

Morris85

OMM 0000 wrote: »

You dislike the guy?

You're jealous of him?

You want to screw up this promotion for him?

No, I don’t dislike the guy and this has happened in this company before and had no issues as the people promoted were hard working and talented, even though it was down to getting on well with certain people.

I just feel it is genuinely unfair to set this guy up for promotion when I know for a fact he’s not the most genuine hard worker in the company. Other people were not given the same opportunity simply because they don’t bond or suck up to certain people. Also inviting external people and letting them think they have a chance at getting the job is not fair.

As I said before, I accept there is nothing I can do and if unfair hiring practices are widely accepted then fair enough. Another lad that has taken his position is also delighted and will be moving from contract to permanent position when that position will also be advertised at a later date. This lad a very good worker and bright.

I’ll move on and accept the positions.

Thanks.

OMM 0000

Morris85 wrote: »

I just feel it is genuinely unfair to set this guy up for promotion when I know for a fact he’s not the most genuine hard worker in the company.

I'm not trying to be harsh here, but the problem is you don't understand why people get promoted.

You don't get promoted because you're the hardest worker.

You generally get promoted for the following reasons, in other of importance:

1) Office politics (who you know, how you position yourself, etc.)

2) Are you senior / management material

3) Can you do the senior / management job

4) Are you a hard worker / do you have skills

What you're taught in school - work hard and you'll come first - does not apply to the working world.

dubrov

Are there not semi state hiring guidelines to prevent this sort of thing? There is in the public sector.

There are probably 3 interviewers on the panel and they'd all need to be in on it.

Private companies can do what they like but ultimately will fail if they promote the wrong people for too long.

Wanderer2010

OMM 0000 wrote: »

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What you're taught in school - work hard and you'll come first - does not apply to the working world.

100%

The working world is about keeping your boss sweet and doing what you can to just get through the day and go about your business afterwards. You don't have to be a walkover but the world of work has absolutely nothing to do with how intelligent you are and everything to do with how you fit into your environment and the people around you.

Wildly Boaring

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

100%

The working world is about keeping your boss sweet and doing what you can to just get through the day and go about your business afterwards. You don't have to be a walkover but the world of work has absolutely nothing to do with how intelligent you are and everything to do with how you fit into your environment and the people around you.

There are unfortunately hard workers who wont progress for several reasons.

Their boss needs them in the role they're in. In one company we did a deal with a guy like this. Got serious money not to go into management. Still where he is 10 years on. (QA on final documentation). Guy is well looked after and if company expanded would have a team. Reckon he'll eventually go out on his own.

Sadly these types are often kept in their roles and not told why or rewarded accordingly.

They are evidently not managerial material. Is a buzz wordy way to say it. But some incredible workers would not be able to manage others. Many do not even want too. For example say you're a CAD tech. Putting in 12 hour shifts. Massive productivity. Want do you know about managing resources and programming? Maybe you can learn. Maybe you keep been given smaller tasks over and above drawing and keep failing on these extras. But you're great at your job. Yes the company can put you on courses etc to improve. Maybe others aren't so hot but show far better organisation and leadership qualities.

Again many flat out do not want to be managers. Can think of many pipelayers and machine operators who just happy out without that reponsibility

AndrewJRenko

Most public sector bodies have fairly strong unions. If you're a union member, you could be raising the question with your trade union representative about why yer man was allowed into an 'acting up' role without a fair competition.

Or you could make a formal complaint to HR, though this could have further implications for yourself.

But really, all you have to complain about so far is yer man mouthing off.

Jim2007

Morris85 wrote: »

If there is nothing wrong with this practice and nowhere I could report this too for further investigation, then fair enough. I’ll accept and move on.

The point is that you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever of wrong doing, just a guy mouthing off about something that might happen. You go complaining about something that has not happened and you will be the one with egg on your face.