Leaf deposit and Kona?

Dand88

Hi all I recently got some great info from everyone on this site and payed a small deposit on a 191 leaf fully refundable until I order the car and pay full deposit,

so not sure why or how but got a call back from a guy I rang a month ago about the hyundai kona ev in which he informed me he had a kona ev for me for 191 jan so in disbelieve I said yes can I give you a deposit now again a small deposit,

now I am looking for more info guidance not sure what to call it 🀣 basicly I am getting a base model sv for 30k -3k for my trade in or... 37ish k and 1500 trade in off the kona

now I still am a bit shocked I actually got my hands on a kona but with a 9k ish difference

I am stuck on what to do my head is telling me the leaf.. heart is telling me f#$k it get the kona 200bhp and just shy of 400 torque not to forget 400-500 range 😠comments guidance anything will be helpful? Thanks in advance

Calahonda52

what is the driving profile or is it just a hobby car?

Dand88

Calahonda52 wrote: »

what is the driving profile or is it just a hobby car?

180kms a day to work and back with charger in work and home, I think the arse might fall out of the prices for the leaf40 as from talking to others the leaf 60 is coming very soon and dealers seem a lot more eager in the past week to shift the leaf 40's.. the kona is over my budget but I'm thinking should I stretch as it's a fine car and will probably hold it's value better

KCross

If the Leaf gives you everything you need, particularly range, it will be hard to justify the extra €9k.

On the other hand the Kona is likely to maintain its value better so it will be a few years before you suffer 9k in depreciation. It should be easier to sell the Kona on as well.

Ultimately it will really be a personal decision. There wont be a right or wrong answer assuming you can afford the Kona.

Dand88

KCross wrote: »

If the Leaf gives you everything you need, particularly range, it will be hard to justify the extra €9k.

On the other hand the Kona is likely to maintain its value better so it will be a few years before you suffer 9k in depreciation. It should be easier to sell the Kona on as well.

Ultimately it will really be a personal decision. There wont be a right or wrong answer assuming you can afford the Kona.

Thanks for the reply guys, my head is wrecked I would much prefer now if i dident get that call from hyundai:) does anyone know that actual spec of the kona 64kw in ireland it's shows the full spec on website but is there only one model or will it be like the leaf sv sv premium she etc if it's the spec that is on the website then it's good value if compared to the sve but comparing it to the sv basic there's a big gap

KCross

One spec, so you are getting more for your money alright.... particularly the range and rapid charge speed.

Dand88

KCross wrote: »

One spec, so you are getting more for your money alright.... particularly the range and rapid charge speed.

And I have heard the spec for ireland was lower than most other countries but to me the spec on hyundai ireland site looks decent

catharsis

Dand88 wrote: »

And I have heard the spec for ireland was lower than most other countries but to me the spec on hyundai ireland site looks decent

Unless I'm Missing something this has cruise with speed limiter and LKAS - but to me that means it does NOT have active cruise - i.e the card does not slow down and speed up on it's own?

This is a big gap. As is non-LED headlights - once you have either of those you never want to be without them.

brownep

catharsis wrote: »

Unless I'm Missing something this has cruise with speed limiter and LKAS - but to me that means it does NOT have active cruise - i.e the card does not slow down and speed up on it's own?

This is a big gap. As is non-LED headlights - once you have either of those you never want to be without them.

Very true. It has the old basic (dangerous) cruise control and halogen lights. Also the passenger seat will not elevate and no spare wheel. At least the basic Leaf has adaptive cruise and a spare cleverly hidden outside under the boot and the LED headlights are an option. I also found that the Kona produces far more road noise than the Leaf. If the 60Kw Leaf maintains its spec and is close in price to the Kia/Kona it will be a clear winner for me.

grudgehugger

L40 owner, my first EV.

I love it, and one of the things I love the most is the adaptive cruise control.

Paying 7-9k more when it sounds like the extra range is a nice to have, not an actual regular need for you, would be hard to justify in my mind for a car that sounds not as well specced as my Leaf.

Different story if you really need the range I guess. I don’t as we have a Skoda ICE as a fallback (although I like driving my Leaf so much that it’s quite rare I drive it now - basically just being used as a runabout car by my better half).

peposhi

Dand88 wrote: »

180kms a day to work and back with charger in work and home, I think the arse might fall out of the prices for the leaf40 as from talking to others the leaf 60 is coming very soon and dealers seem a lot more eager in the past week to shift the leaf 40's.. the kona is over my budget but I'm thinking should I stretch as it's a fine car and will probably hold it's value better

With charger at work and home... I’d hardly justify the extra 9k (at least).
Spec wise the Leaf SV is much better than the Kona...
L40 is a better car overall BUT if you regularly do 250-450km day trips you’d be at ease with the Kona and a hole in you pocket.
Need to pick:
Cool car - more stress (only if you do many, many miles a day) - full pocket
Or
Grand small car - less stress - hole in the pocket...

Bear in mind you are making huge savings with either car based on your millage...

Is this your first EV?

peposhi

Plus your Kona won’t be 37-ish... expect €38k+ unless you have a special deal with ya man...

deegs

Similar boat to you.

1) there are plenty of Kona around. I had my choice of color today...
2) were you comfy in both? On test drive today I confirmed that Kona lacked the comfort, style and ergonomics for my 250km daily commute.
3) I also have a charger at work. I really wanted the extra range, but with work and home charger, it's really only a nice to have and not worth the extra cost and personal compromise.

Bonus: today was the first time the salesman sat in the back of the Kona and with me driving he couldn't fit. In the ionic he was grand.

Final nail in the coffin was 4k scrappage on a car I paid 1k for 6 months ago. Ionic just won in every dimension. I've not tried the l40 ( I ruled it out ) but maybe you may come up with the same conclusion

unkel

deegs wrote: »

my 250km daily commute.

You are going to save yourself a small fortune

Make sure you register the car for the cheap tolls too as soon as you have the reg. It was lovely going through the M50 toll all summer for €0.58

Mike9832

Your thinking about this 7k difference incorrectly OP

Kona and Leaf are both assets and the 7k doesn't just disappear once you drive out of the forecourt

The Kona even at 5 years old will always be worth 7k more than the 40kWh Leaf

The 40kWh is going to depreciate like a rock imo, deeply flawed car and going to be massively outdated soon

Your getting a much better Kona for free

babybuilder

"Your getting a much better Kona for free"


Where can I pick up one of these?

Mike9832

babybuilder wrote: »

"Your getting a much better Kona for free"


Where can I pick up one of these?

Hyundai

Why did u go with Leaf40?

Zenith74

Mike9832 wrote: »

Your thinking about this 7k difference incorrectly OP

Kona and Leaf are both assets and the 7k doesn't just disappear once you drive out of the forecourt

The Kona even at 5 years old will always be worth 7k more than the 40kWh Leaf

This may be a special case because I'm strongly inclined to agree with you that the Kona will hold its value better than the Leaf. But more generally cars depreciate by percentages not gross amounts, so more expensive cars depreciate more and that initial €7k difference is not maintained. At the two year point both cars will have lost say 30% of their value, there'd be less than €5k difference now, once the cars have depreciated 70% the difference is only €2k.

I think you're right though that many people get this wrong and assume spending extra money on one car over another is completely wasted. Add in the nuance of the Kona looking like it should hold its value better, if OP has the money the Kona would be my choice as well.

DesperateDan

I am getting the Kona but if the leaf 60 was available to me I would have take that. I don't quite believe the Kona feels like a 38k car and the leaf has a lot of toys and I like toys E pedal, cruise control, that thing where it parallel parks itself, the cool 4 camera parking a lot of people say they can't live without, being able to preheat it remotely etc.

peposhi

DesperateDan wrote: »

I am getting the Kona but if the leaf 60 was available to me I would have take that. I don't quite believe the Kona feels like a 38k car and the leaf has a lot of toys and I like toys E pedal, cruise control, that thing where it parallel parks itself, the cool 4 camera parking a lot of people say they can't live without, being able to preheat it remotely etc.

An L60 vs current spec Kona is like €65k A4 vs Yaris...

babybuilder

Mike9832 wrote: »

Hyundai

Why did u go with Leaf40?

1. Met our requirements of 15k km per annum
2. Rapid-gate does not affect us adversely as we don't regularly take the longer
3. Could afford the leaf
4. Limited availability of other makes
5. Didn't like the interior of Ioniq - cheaper plastics and poor rear visibility - leaf better in this regard while not what you would call luxurious
   

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldip8KhHhVY

unkel

In the UK the highest spec Kona 64kWh is just £3k more than the highest spec Leaf 40kWh. The former has twice the range and can charge twice as quickly and does not have any charging issues like #rapidgate or the obsolete CHAdeMO system. Because of all this, the depreciation on the Kona will very likely be substantially lower than on the Leaf. The total cost of ownership would be similar enough. So for most families (of less than 5 people - Kona is not big enough for 5) it would be a no-brainer

dubjay

Kona is 38500 basic. i option. no pop up hologram info either but it has its own version of e pedal and wireless charging for phone.it has regen braking in the form of paddles on the steering wheel which at top will fully stop the car so no need to use brake pedal. Personally i will go with the kona because of the range 480km does it for me also i think the arrangement of the buttons PDRN is nicer than the leaf.