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17-10-2018 5:04pm#1
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I'd suggest that as your young dog is barking and lunging at other people (not dogs) that he's stressed by the nearness to other humans. Or he's trying to protect you. Or both.
As other commenters have suggested, looking for help from a good trainer is probably the best idea, and a short leash would be good too. It might be discouraging you from walking him, all this trouble, but regular exercise to keep him a bit tired is a good idea. I'd suggest investing in a good pulling-discouraging harness to make him a little easier to handle, as others have said.
I'd suggest every time someone appears in your dog's field of vision, you call your dog's name, or blow a whistle, and give him a tiny treat to eat and some affection. Basically, you want to distract him and also make him associate other humans with good things happening. If he's off leash, blow a whistle and when he comes over, give him the treat and the praise and good strokes. I know it doesn't sound like much, but I have found it works. Every time I walk my dogs, I blow the whistle and give them a treat at the beginning, just to refresh their memories
and then repeat it if they happen to go jump on anyone - although that really never happens anymore.
Plenty of pet shops and supermarkets have little dog treats designed as training aids, or you can slice up sausages into thin 'coins', or just break up a few doggie biscuits into pieces.
Remember, he's only barking and lunging - he's not actually hurting anyone, so I'm kinda surprised that the dog warden wants you to surrender the dog. For what? Although I know it can feel like one long stressfest, walking a dog who is noisy and running up to people, and you certainly want to start to encourage him into a better pattern of behaviour, to make life less worrying for both of you.
Your dog is very young and you obviously care for him. So there's plenty of time for you and him to work together for a more peaceful future. Wishing you all the best.0 -
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Citizen Canine based in Wicklow pop up for Kilkenny when I searched on APDT Ireland.
If you can get Emmaline of Citizen Canine Ireland to come and help you, you will be putting yourself in one of the best pairs of hands in the country. She's fantastic.
Don't give up hope just yet op, until you get help from someone as good as Emmaline, you certainly haven't exhausted all avenues 0 -
A harness alone won't solve the issue of why your dog is lunging at people. You obviously want the best for your dog so I would recommend getting a professional who uses positive, force free methods, involved. Once they have gotten to the underlying issue of why this is happening then ask advice on a harness.
A suggestion in a meantime, I would avoid walking your dog in an area where you are likely to come across things that trigger this behaviour. Your dog will stress and so will you. That's not nice on either of ye. Do some basic training at home or use some puzzle toys to drain energy. If you can find a place where you know you're unlikely to bump into anyone then walk there until a professional can guide you on how to sort the issue.
Citizen Canine based in Wicklow pop up for Kilkenny when I searched on APDT Ireland.
Thank you, I contacted Citizen Canine today and left a message. Hopefully she gets back to me soon..Immaculata wrote: »I'd suggest that as your young dog is barking and lunging at other people (not dogs) that he's stressed by the nearness to other humans. Or he's trying to protect you. Or both.
As other commenters have suggested, looking for help from a good trainer is probably the best idea, and a short leash would be good too. It might be discouraging you from walking him, all this trouble, but regular exercise to keep him a bit tired is a good idea. I'd suggest investing in a good pulling-discouraging harness to make him a little easier to handle, as others have said.
I'd suggest every time someone appears in your dog's field of vision, you call your dog's name, or blow a whistle, and give him a tiny treat to eat and some affection. Basically, you want to distract him and also make him associate other humans with good things happening. If he's off leash, blow a whistle and when he comes over, give him the treat and the praise and good strokes. I know it doesn't sound like much, but I have found it works. Every time I walk my dogs, I blow the whistle and give them a treat at the beginning, just to refresh their memories and then repeat it if they happen to go jump on anyone - although that really never happens anymore.
Plenty of pet shops and supermarkets have little dog treats designed as training aids, or you can slice up sausages into thin 'coins', or just break up a few doggie biscuits into pieces.
Remember, he's only barking and lunging - he's not actually hurting anyone, so I'm kinda surprised that the dog warden wants you to surrender the dog. For what? Although I know it can feel like one long stressfest, walking a dog who is noisy and running up to people, and you certainly want to start to encourage him into a better pattern of behaviour, to make life less worrying for both of you.
Your dog is very young and you obviously care for him. So there's plenty of time for you and him to work together for a more peaceful future. Wishing you all the best.
It has been discouraging me from walking him, and I know he needs the exercise as he is quite energetic, a couple weeks ago a dog ran out of a garden and attacked us while my dog had his muzzle on and wasn't able to defend himself and I was quite shaken up after this, so with that and the negative interactions he has when we pass other people has just made it very difficult for me to get up and go with him as I am constantly anticipating him acting out. I know dogs can pick up on their human's emotions as well so I feel like I'm in a viscous circle.
When I see someone coming toward us in the distance I would try distract him with my voice/treats but he just doesn't relax and becomes irate. I have a dog whistle, and I will try what you have said.
Dog warden wants me to surrender him, I assume, because the reason the dog warden was called was that my dog broke off his collar in the garden and ran down to my neighbors who has a young child and began barking at them, as he does with everyone. The neighbors got a shock and I feel absolutely dreadful that this happened, I have been crying all day.
When I have visitors to the house, a person my dog hasn't met before, I will put the leash on him to control his interaction, and he lunges and barks trying to get over to them, obviously visitors feel threatened by this which I completely understand, but I have noticed once I let him get close enough to smell their feet etc he's fine, he calms down and there's no more barking or lunging. But I can't do this with people I meet on the street or the neighbors..OP
Firstly ... Breath... take a step back - please do not heed what your dog warden is telling you (and what get another dog?? I mean seriously what a gobsh*te) this is not the answer... your only passing off the problem.. unfortunately OP he is this way due to lack of training and I’m sorry to say but it’s your responsibility to fix this .. and I sense from your posts you know this
The answer is proper training and I think you know this, the dog is 1 still very young and it appears you haven’t been successful in instilling the basics
Secondly - a harness imo is the worst thing you can use .. try a dog matic head collar
http://www.dogmatic.org.uk/
Get a halti training lead clip it on to the head collar AND normal neck collar then there is no way your dog can break loose
https://www.equipetstores.com/halti-training-lead.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwu5veBRBBEiwAFTqDwcv1L1UvIQMaQUR2q5EcKH40dcfPHfg3W96e7-dUgmTugUfTzyGFkhoCD00QAvD_BwE
Posters on here should be able to advise on a good trainer locally.. you need to work on socialization techniques
Is he hyper.. look at diet.. what are you feeding him? Poor diet can lead to hyperness
Look at exercise needs? Really how much exercise does he get daily? Lots of dogs especially as pups can behave madly with not the right amount of exercise
Mental stimulation.. what trucks have you taught him? Tire his brain out?
If you address all of the above and get a trainer with proper advice he could be a totally different dogs in a few months
It’s takes lots of patience , consistency and effort ... but so so rewarding OP
Dog warden wants me to call him next week when I have made a decision about what to do with him, said he cannot force me to surrender him but if he is called about the dog again he will just involve the guards immediately, court will follow etc. Everything he said to me is leaning toward me surrendering him. I asked if I was to take this option would he be rehomed with a better suited owner (as he is adamant my personality is not suited to the dog) and he said he will more than likely be pts. I cannot allow that happen, I am fully aware that he has been in my care since he was a pup and he's my responsibility, and any behavioral issues that have arisen are ultimately down to me, so I want to get as much info, advice etc I can so I can sort this out. Moreso than my understanding of my role/responsibility, I love the dog more than I could ever explain. He is my entire life, and I don't know what I would do without him. Thinking about it just makes me cry.
He is a high energy dog, he's not uncontrollably hyper with me, but he's just so playful and has lots of energy. I have him on Eukanuba dry food, top it off with a bit of wet food so he doesn't get bored.. sometimes I will give him sardines, mince, eggs..
Tomorrow I am just going to bite the bullet and try get back into a regular routine of walking & exercise.. Thank you so much for your comment.forgot to ask is he neutered
No he's not neutered, I have no way of getting him to a vet... God I sound so irresponsible having him..0 -
If you can get Emmaline of Citizen Canine Ireland to come and help you, you will be putting yourself in one of the best pairs of hands in the country. She's fantastic.
Don't give up hope just yet op, until you get help from someone as good as Emmaline, you certainly haven't exhausted all avenues
I have read good things about Emmaline, left her a VM today.. Just hope I can get the money up to see her ASAP0 -
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Thank you all for your comments thus far, I am feeling more confident about our future already..
Good!
I think the dog warden is being a bit unfair on you, and not helping your confidence.
For what it's worth, the harness you're using at the min is no good at all for helping control a pulling dog. As others have suggested, a front-connecting harness should really help, but there are good ones and middling ones. Emmaline will advise you on this. You can also use a combo of front-connection harness and headcollar, and agree with Cocker1 that the Dogmatic is yer only man in this regard.
I admire you for sticking with your dog op. You clearly want to do what you've got to do here, and indeed you have a lot of work ahead, but your enthusiasm and dedication is one of the important cornerstones of success 0 -
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if im totally honest I think you are dealing with an arsehole of a warden which is not helping you either
technically your dog has done no harm dogs bark that's what they do he hasn't bitten anybody
do you have anybody that could walk with you to take the dogs space if he gets giddy
what I mean is to walk in front of him he thinks its ok to be in front
the ideal walking on a leash dog will be ever so slightly behind your inside leg with no extension of the leash
Warden told me it's only a matter of time before he bites someone.. I was in a right mess, bawling etc, I'm sure he thinks I am ill-equipped to ever handle my dog appropriately. He called the guards, said it was because I was so upset, guards spoke to me privately to make sure I was okay in myself. Told me that the warden cannot forcibly remove my dog, they were very calm and helpful with me. When they left, I went back over to the dog wardens in their van and they asked what the guards said. Told them they were just making sure I was okay, to get him a better collar & make sure he is properly secured in my garden so as to avoid another incident. Warden was like.. is that all? I said well, yes.. and that you can't forcibly remove him from my possession and explained to me the implications of another incident, or if he bit someone.. He seemed quite miffed that they didn't put pressure on me to sway toward surrendering the dog. I'm guessing he was expecting them to back him up in that regard.
No I've nobody to walk with me, unless I have a visitor, it's just me and the dog really.OP I’m still not understanding why the dog warden is involved at all?
We’re you reported?
Ok on his food .. move him off that food it’s pretty awful OP. Don’t feed wet either unless high quality.. as most of crap
https://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-reviews/0099/eukanuba-growing-puppy-medium-breed
Move him to a high quality food or move him to RAW
You need to increase his exercise and mental stimulation
I have him on a tether out in my garden as it is not an enclosed garden, he got loose, I have been unwell so I did not notice he had gotten loose until wardens knocked on my door. When I opened the door they told me he was chasing cars and attacking people and trying to attack the wardens. At this stage I went into a panic as I thought he had actually attacked someone but it seems he only did his usual running up and barking. Apparently he was barking at my neighbor and her young daughter outside their house. Neighbor called the warden. It took me a while to get the dog back inside the house. He was just running around and barking at everyone on the road.
I thought Eukanuba was a good quality food. I started introducing raw food into his diet, minces etc. Vet told me Eukanuba was good and to keep him on it and stop giving mince, as he was having some allergy issues which turned out to be the trees in the garden.Good!
I think the dog warden is being a bit unfair on you, and not helping your confidence.
For what it's worth, the harness you're using at the min is no good at all for helping control a pulling dog. As others have suggested, a front-connecting harness should really help, but there are good ones and middling ones. Emmaline will advise you on this. You can also use a combo of front-connection harness and headcollar, and agree with Cocker1 that the Dogmatic is yer only man in this regard.
I admire you for sticking with your dog op. You clearly want to do what you've got to do here, and indeed you have a lot of work ahead, but your enthusiasm and dedication is one of the important cornerstones of success
I put the K9 harness on him for more control, to hold onto if we come across people on our walks and he begins lunging, but I have been using the halti-head collar, but he drags his face along the ground with it on. I have to muzzle him as well in case he gets loose so I put the basket muzzle over the head collar. I know it's a lot going on but I just needed to make sure I can control him, and if he ever were to get out of my control he would be muzzled.. Is the dogmatic the same as a halti head collar? I'm looking up harnesses and a training lead now..
Thank you that means a lot.Hey OP, I really hope Emmaline gets back to you and you can arrange to see her soon.
You mentioned having a dog run out on top of you and your poor dog was attacked. That's not going to help him, even if he can't do damage with the muzzle on. If you live in a rural area where dogs are liable to run out of their gardens, is there somewhere you can take him to walk where that won't happen? A field, or a neighbour's field?
I was out today on our roads and had dogs run out on me 5 times in 90 minutes. Luckily mine are good with other dogs, but it's a situation that can easily go wrong and it's not going to help your stress levels at all. I'm not suggesting letting him off-lead in a field, just going somewhere that you're less likely to meet people / other dogs, where you can see them coming, have space to move away and can ask them to get a hold of their dogs before you get close.
There's very little enclosed areas where we won't come across anyone else. Lots of cattle fields but I wouldn't let him loose near any farmers' livestock, as he tries to herd them. Last winter when the cattle weren't in the fields I felt more comfortable letting him off leash, but he's a lot bigger now. I am just afraid of letting him off now in case I can't get him back if we come across anyone. I've gotten to the stage now where I will only walk a certain short loop of the area as there's not as many people, but the roads are quite narrow, so if I do end up seeing someone coming towards us I walk the other way.0 -
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That was nice of the guards
However, be aware that the wardens can fine you if your dog is running around not "under effectual control", and indeed could impound him whilst awaiting you to reclaim him. Make sure your microchip certificate and dog license are all in order. Don't give them any other route to come at you.
The Dogmatic is a far better design than the Halti head collar. I've yet to meet a good dog trainer who likes the Halti headcollar! But, regardless of brand or design, you've got to go through a process of habituating your dog to happily wearing one. There should be videos on you tube that'll show you how to do this, slowly but surely.
Use a long line attached to his K9 harness to allow him space to run around without giving him total freedom.
I would have close to zero confidence that changing his food will make much difference to his problem behaviour tbh. Eukanuba ain't the best food out there, but it certainly ain't the worst either. By all means, look into a change of food at some stage if budget allows it, but it wouldn't be my top priority right now, for this problem.
One step at a time op... The first things you need to do is prevent further escapes, prevent any more meetings with people, find alternative ways of exercising him for now, and get help!0 -
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Yes to the lead
I'm not the biggest fan of the Halti front connection harness, though it's fine on many dogs... I just find it's trying to be too many things and doesn't give the same control and balance as other brands.
Some brands I like...
SensIble Harness (I think Emmaline sells them, but should be get-able online too)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=easy+walk+harness&index=aps&tag=hydrukspg-21&ref=pd_sl_3kjg6onvqa_e&adgrpid=59991066464&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=259126741668&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6896568189248747766&hvqmt=e&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20490&hvtargid=aud-488126211094:kwd-297548577104
Freedom Harness (hard to get, but give nice control and balance)
https://www.ubuy.ie/en/catalog/product/view/id/4507695?gclid=CjwKCAjwu5veBRBBEiwAFTqDwTSavTsuRQ-E6rK2wvhoZKg-dbQw1OfvMq3aDNuFxQojydj16b_BqRoCGsIQAvD_BwE
Easy Walk Harness... Reasonably cheap and cheerful but does rub some dogs behind the elbow
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=easy+walk+harness&index=aps&tag=hydrukspg-21&ref=pd_sl_3kjg6onvqa_e&adgrpid=59991066464&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=259126741668&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12433499136729430152&hvqmt=e&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=20490&hvtargid=aud-488126211094:kwd-2975485771040 -
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