Dublin Bus - Improvements on 1, 15/A/B/D, 27/A, 53, 77A and 84/A from 21st Oct

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The progressive switch-over of 24 routes to Go-Ahead will free up resources in Dublin Bus, to allow a major expansion programme including frequency improvements on 25 Dublin Bus routes and 3 brand new routes.

The second phase of expansion of Dublin Bus services will take place from Sunday 21st October when improvements to Dublin Bus routes 1, 15, 15A, 15B, 15D, 27, 27A, 53, 77A, 84 and 84A will be implemented, using vehicles and drivers freed up from routes that transfer to Go-Ahead.

From the same date, routes 111, 184 and 185 will transfer to Go-Ahead Ireland (see more info here) on the changes to these services from the same date.

Route 1
Route 1 will now be far more frequent and more reliable with earlier start times each morning and more departures every day.

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Route 15
Route 15 will now be far more frequent and more reliable with earlier start times each morning and more departures every day with the first weekday service now being at 5.00am in both directions.

View Revised Route 15

Route 15A/15B/15D
15A and 15B will have timetable improvements and will be rerouted in the City Centre towards Ringsend Depot. Please see map below for your nearest stop.


View Revised Route 15A
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View Revised Route 15D

Route 27
Route 27 will now be far more frequent and more reliable with earlier start times each morning and more departures every day with Monday to Friday services starting from 05.15am on the route.

View Revised Route 27

Route 27A
As a result of customer feedback, Route 27A will have a minor timetable change on Monday to Friday departures from Sunday 21 October 2018.

View Revised Route 27A

Route 53
As a result of customer feedback, Route 53 will have a minor timetable change on Monday to Friday departures from Sunday 21 October 2018. Route 53 will also have a revised route within the City Centre.

View Revised Route 53



Route 77A
As a result of customer feedback, Route 77a will have a minor timetable change on departures from Sunday 21 October 2018.

View Revised Route 77A

Route 84/84A
As a result of customer feedback, Route 84/a will have a minor timetable change on Monday to Friday, Saturday and Sunday departures from Sunday 21 October 2018. These changes will improve punctuality and reliability.

View Revised Route 84/84A

Other Forthcoming Changes
A Full list of routes due for service improvements over the next number of months as more services transfer to Go-Ahead can be found here with links to relevant changes where avaliable.

dfx-

15A and 15B more frequent?

Are we talking the usual one extra inbound service in the morning peak or all day? The evening services look the same at a glance.

Kinda needs the two timetables together to compare, rather than a picture of the stops.

devnull

dfx- wrote: »

15A and 15B more frequent?

Are we talking the usual one extra inbound service in the morning peak or all day? The evening services look the same at a glance.

Kinda needs the two timetables together to compare, rather than a picture of the stops.

I can only rely on the information that DB have provided

I've slightly tweaked the text above, I tried to clarify it from what DB originally posted by putting the 15 separately to the other routes to make it clear the new routing did not apply to the 15, but seemed I made it more confusing!

Yer Da sells Avon

The changes to the 84 are blatant cuts, not improvements. 19 departures from Newcastle, Mon-Fri - down from 22. And they're not 'minor' either - literally every departure time has changed. They must think people are thick.

The J Stands for Jay

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

The changes to the 84 are blatant cuts, not improvements. 19 departures from Newcastle, Mon-Fri - down from 22. And they're not 'minor' either - literally every departure time has changed. They must think people are thick.

Yep, they've cut the only one I'd conceivably get.

KD345

dfx- wrote: »

15A and 15B more frequent?

Are we talking the usual one extra inbound service in the morning peak or all day? The evening services look the same at a glance.

Kinda needs the two timetables together to compare, rather than a picture of the stops.

No increase on the 15A, but there is a big increase on the 15B. There are currently 53 daily departures from Stocking Avenue now increasing to 68 per day. It’s now every 15 minutes throughout the day.

loyatemu

84 still one bus an hour (with fewer serving Newcastle) -hardly a "major expansion"

devnull

Further improvements on the 27, 27A, 53 and 77A have now been announced and added to the list.

dfx-

KD345 wrote: »

No increase on the 15A, but there is a big increase on the 15B. There are currently 53 daily departures from Stocking Avenue now increasing to 68 per day. It’s now every 15 minutes throughout the day.

That would make more sense - the 15B is the one you would change, there's no need to change the 15A much.

Though "minor timetable changes" on the likes of the mammoth 77A are not service improvements...

trellheim

I remember the 15 not existing and having to walk down from Knocklyon to Ballyroan to catch the 15b .... progress !

Dub13

I cycle to work and often leave at the same time as the current first 15 from Clongriffin, it was very often nearly full before the Tesco on the Malahide road so the earlier start is a good thing.

markpb

Typical post here. Someone posts something which is relatively good news and people pile in to talk about how awful it is and how the people responsible hate their customers.

loyatemu wrote: »

84 still one bus an hour (with fewer serving Newcastle) -hardly a "major expansion"

I think you misread the opening post. Does it say that there's a major expansion to the 84? Nope, it says there's a major expansion to DB services. That might not mean your specific route benefits. Route 53 goes from 52 to 68 departures for example, that's pretty major. The changes to the 84 are described as minor to improve punctuality.

Yer Da sells Avon

markpb wrote: »

The changes to the 84 are described as minor to improve punctuality.

The changes to the 84 aren't minor at all. Literally every departure time has changed and several weekday services have been cut altogether. It's a real shame that it's not switching to Go Ahead along with the 184 and 185, both of which have been given vastly improved timetables.

A-Train

Am I missing something? So customer feedback for the 27a has led to the bus going from every 30 mins to every 35mins?

Stephen15

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

The changes to the 84 aren't minor at all. Literally every departure time has changed and several weekday services have been cut altogether. It's a real shame that it's not switching to Go Ahead along with the 184 and 185, both of which have been given vastly improved timetables.

It's one of the routes down for a frequency increase so perhaps it may get an increase over the next couple months when more routes move to GAI. Don't know why it wasn't included in the tender tbh one of the only routes not serving the cc that wasn't tendered out. Although if it went DB may aswell have closed down their Bray depot or sold it to GAI.

I have also heard the 84 has particularly militant group of marked in drivers.

StreetLight

Does anyone know the reasoning behind the one-way merry-go-round Monday to Friday routing on the 53? It comes twice within striking distance of its start point before heading off in the direction of East Wall. Is it to increase the catchment potential for the Ferryport?

Levitate

Disappointed 15a and 15b no longer servicing IFSC area. Was handy for those not near luas line. I can understand the logic to some extent as new route up pearse st may facilitate quicker turnaround times but still think early morning buses should go down quays.

dublinman1990

The 84/a has a much later start time in the morning. The first bus from Blackrock on weekdays is a good 40 minutes later from it's current timetable. It is at 6:30am on the current timetable. When the new timetable comes into play; the first bus for the 84 will be starting at 7:10am in Blackrock from Monday.

About Bray depot; I don't agree at all that it will ever be sold off to GAI. It is very much a valuable asset for Dublin Bus to run it's bus service out in Bray. When CIE ran the depot as it's principal home for Dublin bus services in Bray; it was ran like it was it's bread & butter for the area from the very beginning. Years ago; you had multiple routes ran from the depot including the 45 & 145 together for a significant period of time until the last iteration of the 45 was scrapped in 2012. For practicality reasons; the new 45 has to be based at Bray depot for it to easily run it's new route from Bray DART Station out to IKEA in Ballymun.

If the 145 gets replaced with the 45 in the new year; more buses will be needed to run the 45 thereafter because of the necessity of being a much longer bus route than the 145. Having two depots for running the 45 is a more sensible option for Dublin Bus to have it run in a sensible way. Donnybrook could probably struggle solely becoming the only depot allocating buses for the 45 on the basis of setting up rosters for drivers & refuelling etc. Running a bus from Donnybrook Garage with dead running all the way out to Bray is going to become a significant waste of time & resources for DB. To have the buses stationed at Bray depot is the most easiest option at the moment to allow the 45 go out on time from Bray DART Station. DB will need to have that depot running at a constant at all times every single day to run their bus service from that area even though the number of bus services they will run in Bray is reduced to only 3 bus routes from tomorrow. If they didn't have a bus depot to run the service in Bray without another asset to back it up aside from Donnybrook; it's own service in Bray nowadays would simply fall apart causing more misery for commuters & passengers alike.

Stephen15

dublinman1990 wrote: »

The 84/a has a much later start time in the morning. The first bus from Blackrock on weekdays is a good 40 minutes later from it's current timetable. It is at 6:30am on the current timetable. When the new timetable comes into play; the first bus for the 84 will be starting at 7:10am in Blackrock from Monday.

About Bray depot; I don't agree at all that it will ever be sold off to GAI. It is very much a valuable asset for Dublin Bus to run it's bus service out in Bray. When CIE ran the depot as it's principal home for Dublin bus services in Bray; it was ran like it was it's bread & butter for the area from the very beginning. Years ago; you had multiple routes ran from the depot including the 45 & 145 together for a significant period of time until the last iteration of the 45 was scrapped in 2012. For practicality reasons; the new 45 has to be based at Bray depot for it to easily run it's new route from Bray DART Station out to IKEA in Ballymun.

If the 145 gets replaced with the 45 in the new year; more buses will be needed to run the 45 thereafter because of the necessity of being a much longer bus route than the 145. Having two depots for running the 45 is a more sensible option for Dublin Bus to have it run in a sensible way. Donnybrook could probably struggle solely becoming the only depot allocating buses for the 45 on the basis of setting up rosters for drivers & refuelling etc. Running a bus from Donnybrook Garage with dead running all the way out to Bray is going to become a significant waste of time & resources for DB. To have the buses stationed at Bray depot is the most easiest option at the moment to allow the 45 go out on time from Bray DART Station. DB will need to have that depot running at a constant at all times every single day to run their bus service from that area even though the number of bus services they will run in Bray is reduced to only 3 bus routes from tomorrow. If they didn't have a bus depot to run the service in Bray without another asset to back it up aside from Donnybrook; it's own service in Bray nowadays would simply fall apart causing more misery for commuters & passengers alike.

The 45 is in addition to the 145 not a replacement to it. Are more 145 departures moving to Bray depot from tommorrow from the buses left over from the 184/185. The 45 isin't starting until the new year. I don't think it's bad that DB still have Bray depot I just think GAI will struggle getting buses for the 184/185 all the way out from Ballymount.