Yup, it's that time of the year again!

Timberrrrrrrr

Poppies?

Will you? Won't you? Should you? Could you?


Some of these questions and more will probably not get answered over the next few weeks.

Gimme A Pound

Jesus why would you draw that on yourself?!

Timberrrrrrrr

Zelda Fancy Menu wrote: »

Jesus why would you draw that on yourself?!

Tis tradition at this stage!

o1s1n

Nothing quite makes you realise how quickly time and life in general pass than when you see the poppy thread pop up again.

Pac1Man

James McClean kissing his:

Timberrrrrrrr

o1s1n wrote: »

Nothing quite makes you realise how quickly time and life in general pass than when you see the poppy thread pop up again.

Hard to believe it was a year ago that heads were exploding over this.

daheff

this is the 100 year anniversary of the end of WW1. Surely this should be the end of this too?





***I know its supposed to be for all war dead...but its from the poppies of flanders fields from WW1.

Yer Da sells Avon

I will in my hole. Which will be both disrespectful and uncomfortable.

Pa8301

daheff wrote: »

this is the 100 year anniversary of the end of WW2. Surely this should be the end of this too?





***I know its supposed to be for all war dead...but its from the poppies of flanders fields from WW2.

Are you sure about that?

Ipso

Never frown with golden brown.

seamus

The irony is that this is not an issue for any Irish person unless they watch English football. It doesn't even appear on their radars.

If you supported local football like a proud Irishman instead of English football like a tan, you'd never have to think about the poppy thing.

Tabnabs

daheff wrote: »

this is the 100 year anniversary of the end of WW2. Surely this should be the end of this too?





***I know its supposed to be for all war dead...but its from the poppies of flanders fields from WW2.

Oh dear god... :rolleyes:

Timberrrrrrrr

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Poppies?

Will you? Won't you? Should you? Could you?


Some of these questions and more will probably not get answered over the next few weeks.

Freedom of choice, to each his/her own.

Shanotheslayer

seamus wrote: »

instead of English football like a tan,

lertsnim

daheff wrote: »

this is the 100 year anniversary of the end of WW2. Surely this should be the end of this too?





***I know its supposed to be for all war dead...but its from the poppies of flanders fields from WW2.

I think we need more remembrance so people will know the dates of the war.

El Weirdo

Follow @giantpoppywatch on Twitter to see just how ridiculous this whole poppy business gets every year.

Omackeral

seamus wrote: »

The irony is that this is not an issue for any Irish person unless they watch English football. It doesn't even appear on their radars.

If you supported local football like a proud Irishman instead of English football like a tan, you'd never have to think about the poppy thing.

I wouldn't go calling people tans but the crux of your argument is sound enough. If you consume British media, expect to see things like this. Don't like it, don't watch BBC/Sky. Was the exact same during the World Cup. ''Wah wah I'm sick of the English media hyping up the English football team.'' Well the clue is in the complaint. They're both English. It's theirs, not ours. Don't like it, don't consume it.

amcalester

It should be mandatory to wear a poppy, people died so others could life free lives. It's disrespectful to the memories of all those brave soldiers not to wear one.

Graces7

respecting the dead is an honour in whatever way it is done. respecting survivors also

El Weirdo

amcalester wrote: »

It should be mandatory to wear a poppy, people died so others could life free lives. It's disrespectful to the memories of all those brave soldiers not to wear one.

Poe's Law applies here.

Gimme A Pound

Omackeral wrote: »

I wouldn't go calling people tans but the crux of your argument is sound enough. If you consume British media, expect to see things like this. Don't like it, don't watch BBC/Sky. Was the exact same during the World Cup. ''Wah wah I'm sick of the English media hyping up the English football team.'' Well the clue is in the complaint. They're both English. It's theirs, not ours. Don't like it, don't consume it.

The anti English venom during the World Cup from idiots who'd be glued to Premiership games and wouldn't give a hoot about their local team, was disgusting.

kneemos

Everyone in the British Isles should wear a Poppy.

riffmongous

Zelda Fancy Menu wrote: »

Jesus why would you draw that on yourself?!

Like a lot of unpleasant things sometimes it's better just to face up to them and get them over with.

Personally I'm saving my bile for later, after the easy trolling is done and we move on to The North.

Although I'm not sure it will be the same this year without some of the old gang here anymore, Fred, Sutch, Arse'

Edgware

daheff wrote: »

this is the 100 year anniversary of the end of WW2. Surely this should be the end of this too?





***I know its supposed to be for all war dead...but its from the poppies of flanders fields from WW2.

So that would be the 127th anniversary of the end of WW1 so?

Atoms for Peace

Its cheap tabloid jingoism.

Brian?

kneemos wrote: »

Everyone in the British Isles should wear a Poppy.

Why is that?

Odhinn

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Its cheap tabloid jingoism.

State sponsored militarism under the guise of "remembrance". Considering the Brits have continually been at war somewhere for at least the last century I suppose they deem it a nessecary task.

BuboBubo

El Weirdo wrote: »

Follow @giantpoppywatch on Twitter to see just how ridiculous this whole poppy business gets every year.

@giantpoppycock

Graces7

Could not settle for thinking about this.

As a UK war baby, a different slant.

Oh and please remember how many Irish men served with the UK in World War 2; served and died alongside us.

We were taught respect. We gave it solemnly and without restraint. There was hardly a child in the country whose family had not suffered in that War. Empty seats at tables... men with missing limbs and shattered minds. Children evacuated and too often abused ..

All borne home by the many years of rationing

And our nearest cities, Manchester and Liverpool? bombed out houses everywhere... bomb sites beginning to be veiled by the purple of rose bay willow herb

Everyone wore a poppy. It would have shamed and disgraced not to. These were our fathers, our uncles, our families. No reluctance or making a stand against war . or accusing of glorifying it.

Remembrance Day was a solemn and deeply moving time. Still gives shivers. Our school day focussed on it
Every town and village with its War Memorial

Lest we forget.. and wars killing and maiming still... nothing learned. Lest we forget....

The Rape of Lucretia

On balance,despite Eire's shameful and cowardly standing on the sidelines for the second show, I think its contribution to the Great War, and sacrifice of so many of its sons, overrides the element of hypocracy, and justifies wearing one.

deco nate

My great grandfather died in ww1 and his name is on a memorial here in Co Wicklow.i don't get the hate, if you want to wear one go ahead. If not, don't and move on. Don't be like a vegan and have to tell everybody about it.

TallGlass

Mean while in the year 2018, Brexit is about to set of a nuke on the Irish economy, the Irish government don't know there arse from there elbow, the main opposition party doesn't vote with nor against, corrupt Gardai and a questionable minister walking away with full pensions. Yemen is been blown of the planet by the Suadis. I could go on, this poppy situation is at the bottom of my list anyway.

prinzeugen

Odhinn wrote: »

State sponsored militarism under the guise of "remembrance". Considering the Brits have continually been at war somewhere for at least the last century I suppose they deem it a nessecary task.

Most of the major countries have been continually involved some sort of conflict over the past 100 years. The USA, USSR/Russia, France, China. Not just the UK.

Some argue there was only one world war and it lasted from 1914 until German reunification in 1990.

And you know there is a difference between "war", "conflict" and "peacekeeping".

I have no problem wearing a poppy or with others wearing one. I do have an issue with the funds raised going to non veteran causes as was the case in Scotland years ago when a large % of money raised ended up with a rape charity.

Graces7

seamus wrote: »

The irony is that this is not an issue for any Irish person

I was talking to an Irish friend about this. A Cork lass... now around my age. She was scathing re Irish folk not observing Remembrance Day.

She was born in the Uk as her father was a pilot, yes, pure Irish, He had been shot down and was in hospital in the UK . Her pregnant mother came to visit and she was born .
I knew the basic facts but not the stats

In World War Two, 27, 000 Irish citizens enlisted voluntarily to fight in the war. Many were Irish living in the UK but also in large numbers from here.

Churchill opined that the War would not have been won without them.

This was a World War

Many died in conflct

super_furry

Graces7 wrote: »

seamus wrote: »

This was a World War

Many died in conflct

Absolutely but poppies are a symbol almost entirely associated with the British military forces.

daheff

Pa8301 wrote: »

Are you sure about that?

damnnit


fat fingers and autocorrect defeat me yet again

B0jangles

deco nate wrote: »

My great grandfather died in ww1 and his name is on a memorial here in Co Wicklow.i don't get the hate, if you want to wear one go ahead. If not, don't and move on. Don't be like a vegan and have to tell everybody about it.

My great-uncle died in WW1 and my mother always wears a poppy in his memory. It's thirty years since the last person who knew him died, so it's just a tiny remembrance of a young life lost long ago in a terrible, stupid conflict.

Danzy

amcalester wrote: »

It should be mandatory to wear a poppy, people died so others could life free lives. It's disrespectful to the memories of all those brave soldiers not to wear one.

They made a mistake and paid for it with their lives.

_Brian

I think most Irish people shun poppies for the same reason that orangemen don’t accept the tricolour as it was intended.
Symbols such as the poppies mean different things to different groups. In general nearly all Irish people accept the poppie as a symbol of British military and all associating actions including tue occupation of tue six counties.
Similarly Orangemen see our tricolour as a republican flag of the twenty six counties rather than a symbol of peace between orangemen and republicans.

Edward M

Liadh Ni Riada of SF, their presidential candidate and mep, said last night on TV that she would have no problem wearing one in the interest of reaching out to unionists and for the greater good towards reconciliation, if elected president.
She said it wouldn't endear her to a lot of her supporters she admitted.
Personally though, no poppy for me, never worn it, but no problem with anyone who does.
I have no history of anyone in the family of any description being involved in the conflict, so to me its just meaningless symbolism.

seamus

_Brian wrote: »

I think most Irish people shun poppies for the same reason that orangemen don’t accept the tricolour as it was intended.

I'm not sure it is that. We just don't fawn over the military like the UK (and US) do. Over there, serving is a vocation, a selfless act of bravery for the good of the country.
Here, the army is just another career.

Armistice Day is not a "thing" in Ireland, very few people have any stories or memories of family members who fought or died in WW1.

Any ideological opposition to the Poppy has sprung up in response to the growth of Poppy fascism.

Peatys

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Hard to believe it was a year ago that heads were exploding over this.

Ah camere, it's no way a year since the 'are we over poppy threads'

ffs. Next you'll be telling me it's two weeks to Halloween. Shchure, it's only a few weeks since Easter

wexie

seamus wrote: »

Any ideological opposition to the Poppy has sprung up in response to the growth of Poppy fascism.

I'm neither Irish nor English and was trying to figure out my thoughts on the whole poppy thing as I'm not sure I get it. Having grown up in a country that was actually occupied by the Germans and having had grandparents who lived through WW2, some of whom literally bore the scars to prove it it's always struck me as very odd to have a remembrance day that (seemingly?) only remembers the members of the British armed forces, rather than having it focused on the war as a whole and trying to use it as a message and reminder to just never have something like that happen again.

It seems to be an oddly narrow minded outlook on things. Although perhaps it's indicative of the B*ritish outlook in general?

*that's a sarcastic capital B

Graces7

Danzy wrote: »

They made a mistake and paid for it with their lives.

????

Graces7

wexie wrote: »

I'm neither Irish nor English and was trying to figure out my thoughts on the whole poppy thing as I'm not sure I get it. Having grown up in a country that was actually occupied by the Germans and having had grandparents who lived through WW2, some of whom literally bore the scars to prove it it's always struck me as very odd to have a remembrance day that (seemingly?) only remembers the members of the British armed forces, rather than having it focused on the war as a whole and trying to use it as a message and reminder to just never have something like that happen again.

It seems to be an oddly narrow minded outlook on things. Although perhaps it's indicative of the B*ritish outlook in general?

*that's a sarcastic capital B

the 2 are not mutually exclusive unless you make them so. family always takes precedence

seamus

Graces7 wrote: »

????

There's a peculiar kind of sectarian that exists in small pockets in Ireland who believe that any Irishman who fought with the British in either World War, was a traitor.

Of course, Irish people who fought for other allied forces are never criticised, only those who fought for the British. It's an anti-Britain thing.

Graces7

seamus wrote: »

There's a peculiar kind of sectarian that exists in small pockets in Ireland who believe that any Irishman who fought with the British in either World War, was a traitor.

Of course, Irish people who fought for other allied forces are never criticised, only those who fought for the British. It's an anti-Britain thing.

sigh.... shaking my old head! still not sure if that is what the post I questioned meant