2011 Nissan Micra or Ford Fiesta

sarahf2k16

Hi all,

I've been looking at cars for a while. I found a 2011 nissan mirca for a good price with low mileage and saw two other fiestas. I prefer the look of fiestas and only considering nissan micra as overall deal seems good. My main concern is reliability - which of these cars would seem the best value for money and general reliability?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-ford-fiesta-1-6-t-d-c-i-3-door-hatch-back/19776087

Rang seller and he said he would put NCT on 2008 fiesta if I want to buy.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/ford-fiesta-2010-titanium/19766890

I'm a little concerned about mileage of this one.

http://www.kieranmorancars.ie/vehicles/nissan/micra/galway/2135454

Appreciate any feedback

AMKC

The the Fiesta any day over that model Micra. That Micra was a car designed for developing markets like India and Brazil not for Europe. Even the Micra before it is a far better car and so is any model Fiesta of the last 15 years.
While the second Fiesta looks lovely it says it has 170 thousand Km on it and yet no owners which is very strange unless it was a rental car so I would avoid.

The black Fiesta looks good if a little basic.

Would try get a mid spec model at least just so you have better spec and don't end up missing something you might want.

That's just my opinion anyway.

bazz26

The black Fiesta is a UK import so I'd be doing a background check on that car given the claimed low mileage. I'd also ask about warranty, the name of the dealer suggests trade sales which usually means you buy it as it is and no warranty.

That model Micra is a nasty cheap car, they were built to a very low budget and were really designed for developing countries. Reliability is probably their only positive but there are much better alternatives out there offering that.

OP, why are you looking at diesel cars when initially looking at a petrol Micra? Do you actually have use for a diesel car? Is there a reason why your not looking at a petrol Fiesta? If reliability is a priority and your not doing diesel mileage then I just don't see why you are considering diesel cars especially small ones.

sarahf2k16

bazz26 wrote: »

The black Fiesta is a UK import so I'd be doing a background check on that car given the claimed low mileage. I'd also ask about warranty, the name of the dealer suggests trade sales which usually means you buy it as it is and no warranty.

That model Micra is a nasty cheap car, they were built to a very low budget and were really designed for developing countries. Reliability is probably their only positive but there are much better alternatives out there offering that.

OP, why are you looking at diesel cars when initially looking at a petrol Micra? Do you actually have use for a diesel car? Is there a reason why your not looking at a petrol Fiesta? If reliability is a priority and your not doing diesel mileage then I just don't see why you are considering diesel cars especially small ones.

Hi, thanks for the advice. I haven't bought a car before, last car I has was a 05 colt, was awful to drive, I have to get a new one as the steering rack is gone in the colt - can't trade in.

I'll make sure to steer clear of the Nissan micra! Yikes.

I drive about 8-9 thousand miles a year so not sure whether I'd be better off with petrol, I suppose? I have a tight budget and want a small car/hatchback but I am struggling to find something to suit me. I did not realise how difficult looking for used cars would be.

If I decide I like the UK import then I will do the full background check, thanks for the advice. They don't offer a warranty but said they would put car through NCT before I want to buy it.

bazz26

What sort of driving are you doing? Short trips or long trips? If your doing short trips then forget about diesel. They are not designed for that sort of use. At only 8k or 9k miles per year your not going to lose out much in the way of fuel economy especially with small cars which are fairly fuel efficiency in petrol anyway.

Have a look at the Hyundai i20, Renault Clio and Suzuki Swift too. If want something smaller then the Toyota Aygo is worth a look at.

sarahf2k16

AMKC wrote: »

The the Fiesta any day over that model Micra. That Micra was a car designed for developing markets like India and Brazil not for Europe. Even the Micra before it is a far better car and so is any model Fiesta of the last 15 years.
While the second Fiesta looks lovely it says it has 170 thousand Km on it and yet no owners which is very strange unless it was a rental car so I would avoid.

The black Fiesta looks good if a little basic.

Would try get a mid spec model at least just so you have better spec and don't end up missing something you might want.

That's just my opinion anyway.

Thanks for the heads up, I won't be going near that Micra so!

sarahf2k16

bazz26 wrote: »

What sort of driving are you doing? Short trips or long trips? If your doing short trips then forget about diesel. They are not designed for that sort of use. At only 8k or 9k miles per year your not going to lose out much in the way of fuel economy especially with small cars which are fairly fuel efficiency in petrol anyway.

Have a look at the Hyundai i20, Renault Clio and Suzuki Swift too. If want something smaller then the Toyota Aygo is worth a look at.

Ya its mostly short trips, I live in the city and drive home to see family twice a month and thats a 1 hour drive there and another drive back so short journeys really.

Mechanic told me not to get Suzuki Swift even though I do like the look of them a lot. Love the Hyundai i20 in the 3 door but way over budget and the Toyota Aygo isn't my cup of tea. I like the looks of Clios but was told not to go near Renault or Peugeot

I saw this, I may be able to get loan to make up difference, not mad on the looks but again its a reliability I want and don't trust taking my chances with private sellers given my lack of knowledge about cars.

https://www.motorpark.ie/used-cars/Mitsubishi/Space-Star/1.0-PETROL/201807308962777/

bazz26

Those Space Stars are not much different to the Micra you already looked at, cheap and nasty. And your mechanic is wrong about the Swift and Clio. If doing mostly short trips then your mechanic might well be seeing you more regularly with a diesel car.

I'd have a look at something like this:
https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2110334&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D72%26o%5B%5D%3D612%26f%3D1%26yn%3D2009%26yx%3D2010%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

The Clio is a good car despite what some people think of the Renault brand and that dealer has been around for along time and is very reputable.

AMKC

sarahf2k16 wrote: »

Ya its mostly short trips, I live in the city and drive home to see family twice a month and thats a 1 hour drive there and another drive back so short journeys really.

Mechanic told me not to get Suzuki Swift even though I do like the look of them a lot. Love the Hyundai i20 in the 3 door but way over budget and the Toyota Aygo isn't my cup of tea. I like the looks of Clios but was told not to go near Renault or Peugeot

I saw this, I may be able to get loan to make up difference, not mad on the looks but again its a reliability I want and don't trust taking my chances with private sellers given my lack of knowledge about cars.

https://www.motorpark.ie/used-cars/Mitsubishi/Space-Star/1.0-PETROL/201807308962777/

Suzuki Swift: Don't no why anyone would have a problem with them. They are a well designed and reliable Japanese car.

There is nothing wrong with a Peugeot 207. They are reliable too. I know because the brother had one.

A Fiat Punto is worth looking at as they are cheap to maintain and run. A Kia Rio is another car you could look at and they are very reliable as well.

That Mitsubishi is another car like the Micra developed down to a price and for developing markets.

colm_mcm

Nothing wrong with a petrol Swift imo.

You’d be as well avoiding diesels if reliability is a concern

The Clio is a great car, it’s a very ill informed view to say they’re rubbish.

sarahf2k16

Great thanks for advice, I'm going to look at Swifts too!

sarahf2k16

What do you guys think of the renault megane coupe 3 door? I saw a 2009 for 3250 with 1 year full nct, irish (not import) from dealer with only 70,000 miles on the clock.

colm_mcm

Grand car, but they’re nearly all diesel, and diesels are inherently more risky than petrols in terms of big ticket items needing replacing.

Maybe look at a Kia pro Ceed 1.4 petrol? Same general size and idea as the Megane.

sarahf2k16

colm_mcm wrote: »

Grand car, but they’re nearly all diesel, and diesels are inherently more risky than petrols in terms of big ticket items needing replacing.

Maybe look at a Kia pro Ceed 1.4 petrol? Same general size and idea as the Megane.

I love the look of the megane, don't like the kia pro. A mechanic in the garage I go to is selling a Kia Venga for the mother in law (I never even heard of them) its advertised as 5,750 but they said they would take 5k for it. I'd say it is well looked after. The other, usual mechanic I deal with was very adamant to not get a Megane. I really appreciate people's thoughts as I didn't realise how difficult it is to find decent used cars.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-venga-for-sale/20012623

colm_mcm

Kia venga was a very small seller here. It’s basically the same idea as a Hyundai ix20 (again not a big seller) it would be a direct rival to the Honda Jazz or Nissan Note. It would be narrower than the likes of a Kia Ceed/Megane.

The Megane is way better than the older model, but the inherent risk that any modern diesel brings is still there.

AMKC

sarahf2k16 wrote: »

I love the look of the megane, don't like the kia pro. A mechanic in the garage I go to is selling a Kia Venga for the mother in law (I never even heard of them) its advertised as 5,750 but they said they would take 5k for it. I'd say it is well looked after. The other, usual mechanic I deal with was very adamant to not get a Megane. I really appreciate people's thoughts as I didn't realise how difficult it is to find decent used cars.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-venga-for-sale/20012623

What about an Opel Astra GTC or a Hyundai Veloster. Bit of a strange car the Veloster but if you can find one you might like it.

sarahf2k16

colm_mcm wrote: »

Kia venga was a very small seller here. It’s basically the same idea as a Hyundai ix20 (again not a big seller) it would be a direct rival to the Honda Jazz or Nissan Note. It would be narrower than the likes of a Kia Ceed/Megane.

The Megane is way better than the older model, but the inherent risk that any modern diesel brings is still there.

So I think I have found the car I'm going to buy. I test drove a 09 Ford Fiesta Zetec 1.2 petrol yesterday from a local garage with good reputation. It has only had one owner and 60,000 miles. His final offer for it was €5,000, which I thought was a bit steep but it also includes a month warranty. Its either that or €4,000 for a 09 Micra (normal model.)

bazz26

Seems expensive to me for what it is. Your not going to get much in the way of warranty from a dealer with 10 year old cars.

Would you consider something a little bigger but still not too big? Something like a Honda Civic or Toyota Auris? They are generally better value than small cars and are not much more expensive to run.

For example:

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2069113&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D32%26o%5B%5D%3D282%26f%3D1%26b%3D2%26yn%3D2009%26yx%3D2010%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2114406&r=s.php%3Fm%5B%5D%3D88%26o%5B%5D%3D1154%26f%3D1%26b%3D2%26yn%3D2009%26yx%3D2010%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

colm_mcm

€4K sounds a lot for a soon to be 10 year old fiesta. I’d question the value of a 30 day warranty.

bazz26

Dealer actually wants 5k for the Fiesta.

colm_mcm

Oh, this is the Fiesta from the op? Ad is gone now anyway...

bazz26

I think it's a different Fiesta Colm. The one in the original OP was a diesel.

sarahf2k16

colm_mcm wrote: »

€4K sounds a lot for a soon to be 10 year old fiesta. I’d question the value of a 30 day warranty.

Ya sorry its a different fiesta. Its 1.2 petrol, dealer hasn't advertised it, I viewed it the day it came. Its €5,000 for 09 Fiesta with 60,000 miles and 6 month warranty.

I think it is expensive for a 10 year old car. I did google same model and similar mileage and prices did range from €5,000-6000 for similar from other dealers. The car only has 1 owner who bought it new. The dealer also has a good rep, I've had family and a friend recommend them.

Trying to justify if it's worth the price over a 09 Micra and 10 Kia Picanto that are both under €4,000 (fiesta looks best but again just feels expensive in comparison these - I suppose I'd be happy if the fiesta is the most reliable option out of the 3).

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-picanto-2010/19762031


https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2009-nissan-micra-nctd-amp-taxed/19400985

AMKC

@ OP the Mazda 2 is also worth a look. The Kia Picanto while not a bad little car is very dull and the red Micra looks nice but seems to have high mileage for a petrol car. That's over 15500 Kms a year. Maybe that's not bad but it is into its second life already. So there could be parts that need changing and servicing.

bazz26

There is a smell of ex rental off that red Micra.

colm_mcm

bazz26 wrote: »

There is a smell of ex rental off that red Micra.

105% of Micras for sale are ex rental. Same with Corsas (figure is slightly higher but don’t have it to hand)

Oddly enough, I’d say that red Micra isn’t ex rental as the reg is too low a number.

texas star

Hi I've been driving nissan micra for the past 20 years and 2 months ago I switched to Ford Fiesta I only wish I'd done it sooner.Its a great car just open and close the door in micra and fiesta and it's such big difference.I use it for work and driving daughter around I don't do alot of mileage but I feel 100% safer in the fiesta if we where ever involved in an accident.Just my tup pence worth.Best of luck with your purchase.

Arthur Daley

Fiesta is relatively heavy though, so if you have the low end underpowered engines it will feel slow on a motorway for example.

You should get maybe 4 years out of that fiesta at avg mileage so I think 5k is not over the top so long as condition matches the 60,000 miles.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2011-suzuki-swift-1-2/19943399

pearcider

5 grand is mental for a 2009 fiesta! MENTAL

colm_mcm

Especially when you could get them new for 13 or something last year

Shefwedfan

https://www.usedcarsni.com/2014-Renault-Zoe-65Kw-Dynamique-Nav-22Kwh-5Dr-Auto-226780266?keywords=&make=0&model=0&fuel_type=13&trans_type=0&age_from=0&age_to=0&price_from=0&price_to=0&user_type=0&mileage_to=0&location%5B%5D=0&homepage_search_attr=1&tab_id=0&search_type=1&car_class=

Just an outside the box idea.....

Please note these are battery rental so you pay a small fee per month for the car but you get a newer car up front and you are covered if any issue with battery because Renault will swap. They are also supposed to offer an upgrade to larger batteries going forward. They do in Europe.

Spec is good, insurance is cheap, service costs are cheap, reduced tolls.....your driving would suit

VRT from UK is free. You will get a grant to install a home charger but you would need to get a home charger......

DaveyDave

colm_mcm wrote: »

Especially when you could get them new for 13 or something last year

This seems to be the case for an awful lot of €12-15k small cars. 10 year old models with high mileage in paddy spec listed for €5-6k. That's a nice PCP deposit...

sarahf2k16

colm_mcm wrote: »

Especially when you could get them new for 13 or something last year

Sorry about delay guys just said I'd give you an update. So I paid €5,000 for Ford Fiesta 09 1.25 petrol 82bhp with 60,000 miles . Car had 1 previous owner and is in perfect condition for age. Full service history and 6 month warranty, four new tyres and NCT until 2020. I felt like I was paying a bit more than I should but I googled same model and similar mileage and dealers were charging 5-6k. The day after I buy the car I see a 09 fiesta with 85,000 miles and 1.4 diesel for €4,000 in the same city as I live too... Sickened.

Trying to make myself feel better by keep telling myself that I only do 8,000 miles a year so petrol is best choice for me but ya I'm now regretting the decision knowing I paid a €1,000 more for the petrol...nothing I can do I suppose.


https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/ford/fiesta/201810131468856

Arthur Daley

colm_mcm wrote: »

Especially when you could get them new for 13 or something last year

I'd doubt many got a new fiesta on the road for 13k. If so, no other super mini in the 15-17k mark would have sold last year.

Small diesel on 8k miles a year is mental I would think.

Arthur Daley

Arthur Daley wrote: »

I'd doubt many got a new fiesta on the road for 13k. If so, no other super mini in the 15-17k mark would have sold last year.

Small diesel on 8k miles a year is mental I would think.

It was a 'new' 8-9 year old model with a 23 year old engine. Using your logic, Ireland should have been awash with Lancer's the last few years given the rock bottom price for a 'new' car

colm_mcm

Arthur Daley wrote: »

I'd doubt many got a new fiesta on the road for 13k. If so, no other super mini in the 15-17k mark would have sold last year.

Small diesel on 8k miles a year is mental I would think.

Last of the old model.

Trebor176

I have a 2009 Fiesta, which I got two years ago with less than 60K on the clock. It's a wonderful car, a pleasure to drive, and it hasn't given me any issues whatsoever.

sarahf2k16

Trebor176 wrote: »

I have a 2009 Fiesta, which I got two years ago with less than 60K on the clock. It's a wonderful car, a pleasure to drive, and it hasn't given me any issues whatsoever.

That's what I like to hear! I picked up car today and must say she is lovely to drive although not saying a lot given that my old car was a 05 colt and did not handle well at all!

sarahf2k16

texas star wrote: »

Hi I've been driving nissan micra for the past 20 years and 2 months ago I switched to Ford Fiesta I only wish I'd done it sooner.Its a great car just open and close the door in micra and fiesta and it's such big difference.I use it for work and driving daughter around I don't do alot of mileage but I feel 100% safer in the fiesta if we where ever involved in an accident.Just my tup pence worth.Best of luck with your purchase.

Thank you for your lovely feedback! I bought the fiesta and I must say its absolutely lovely, and think you're right feels a lot more safe to drive in than a micra and handles corners/bends so much better than a micra could!

sarahf2k16

Shefwedfan wrote: »

https://www.usedcarsni.com/2014-Renault-Zoe-65Kw-Dynamique-Nav-22Kwh-5Dr-Auto-226780266?keywords=&make=0&model=0&fuel_type=13&trans_type=0&age_from=0&age_to=0&price_from=0&price_to=0&user_type=0&mileage_to=0&location%5B%5D=0&homepage_search_attr=1&tab_id=0&search_type=1&car_class=

Just an outside the box idea.....

Please note these are battery rental so you pay a small fee per month for the car but you get a newer car up front and you are covered if any issue with battery because Renault will swap. They are also supposed to offer an upgrade to larger batteries going forward. They do in Europe.

Spec is good, insurance is cheap, service costs are cheap, reduced tolls.....your driving would suit

VRT from UK is free. You will get a grant to install a home charger but you would need to get a home charger......

Thanks for the advice. I rent so don't think installing a home charger would be possible haha, interesting, never heard of that before, it is interesting.

sarahf2k16

sarahf2k16 wrote: »

Sorry about delay guys just said I'd give you an update. So I paid €5,000 for Ford Fiesta 09 1.25 petrol 82bhp with 60,000 miles . Car had 1 previous owner and is in perfect condition for age. Full service history and 6 month warranty, four new tyres and NCT until 2020. I felt like I was paying a bit more than I should but I googled same model and similar mileage and dealers were charging 5-6k. The day after I buy the car I see a 09 fiesta with 85,000 miles and 1.4 diesel for €4,000 in the same city as I live too... Sickened.

Trying to make myself feel better by keep telling myself that I only do 8,000 miles a year so petrol is best choice for me but ya I'm now regretting the decision knowing I paid a €1,000 more for the petrol...nothing I can do I suppose.


https://m.carzone.ie/used-cars/ford/fiesta/201810131468856

So I googled the cheaper fiesta and turns out there was a mistake as the mileage was 138,000 miles (not KM) so I feel like a good deal paying 5k for 09 fiesta with 60,000 miles... I picked her up today and she is a lovely drive so I am happy out... thanks for everyone taking time to share their thoughts!

Trebor176

sarahf2k16 wrote: »

So I googled the cheaper fiesta and turns out there was a mistake as the mileage was 138,000 miles (not KM) so I feel like a good deal paying 5k for 09 fiesta with 60,000 miles... I picked her up today and she is a lovely drive so I am happy out... thanks for everyone taking time to share their thoughts!

Congrats on the purchase. You made the right decision