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Playing rule query

  • 05-10-2018 12:09pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭ big_drive


    In the following situation what are the options to ref?

    Player taking a free, opposition mentors very close to player taking it and trying to put him off, etc. Can that free be brought forward? or can it only be a player involved to bring it forward?

    In the case of a mentor can the ref only warn him about behaviour, take name if warranted, etc

    But not actually improve the free?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭ Boom__Boom


    big_drive wrote: »
    In the following situation what are the options to ref?

    Player taking a free, opposition mentors very close to player taking it and trying to put him off, etc. Can that free be brought forward? or can it only be a player involved to bring it forward?

    In the case of a mentor can the ref only warn him about behaviour, take name if warranted, etc

    But not actually improve the free?

    From my reading of the rule book, you are correct, the free can not be brought forward as it was not a player. The actual wording has player in it.
    4.11 (a) For a player on the team awarded a free kick or a sideline kick to be less than 13m from the ball before it is kicked.
    (b) For a player on the team awarded a penalty kick to be inside the 20m line or the arc before the ball is kicked.

    The following is the section in the rules that covers misconduct at games by team officials and the only possible punishment by the referee on the day seems to be termination of the game.
    (c) Misconduct at Games by Team Officials, which consists of four Categories of Infractions by Team Officials which occur on or in the vicinity of the Field of Play, and which occur immediately before, during or after a
    Game:

    Category Ia
    Abusive language towards a Referee, Umpire,Linesman or Sideline Official.
    Penalties:
    (1) Minimum: 4 weeks Suspension;
    (2) Minimum on Repeat Infraction: 8 weeks Suspension.

    Category IIa
    Any type of physical interference with an Opposing Player or Team Official.
    Penalties:
    (1) Minimum: 8 weeks Suspension;
    (2) Minimum on Repeat Infraction: 16 weeks Suspension.

    Category IIIa
    Minor physical interference with (e.g. laying a hand on, pushing, pulling or jostling), threatening or abusive conduct towards, or threatening language to, a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.
    Penalties:
    (1) Minimum: 12 weeks Suspension;
    (2) Minimum on Repeat Infraction: 24 weeks Suspension.

    Category IVa
    Any type of assault on a Referee, Umpire, Linesman or Sideline Official.
    Penalties:
    (1) Minimum: 48 weeks Suspension, with offender’s Team liable to Disqualification, where appropriate;
    (2) Minimum on Repeat Infraction: 96 weeks Suspension, with offender’s Team liable to Disqualification, where appropriate.

    Suspensions in all four Categories above shall be applicable in all Codes and at all Levels.

    Definition of “Repeat Infraction”
    “Repeat Infraction” in the Section of Rule above means a second or subsequent occurrence of any Misconduct at Games by Team Officials Infraction in the same Category within a 48 week period (or 96 week period in the case of a Category IVa Infraction), irrespective of the Code or Level of the previous occurrence.

    (d) Disruptive Conduct at Games by Players, Team Officials or Supporters, which occur on or in the vicinity of the Field of Play and which occur immediately before, during or after a Game:

    (1) Premature Termination of a Game-
    By reason of Serious Disruption by Players, Officials or Supporters of a Team.
    Penalties:
    Team – Forfeiture of the Game and Award to the Opposing Team (unless both Teams are responsible), save where there are exceptional mitigating factors involved.
    Other Penalties - at the discretion of the Council or the Committee-in-Charge, subject to a Penalty being of a form provided for in Rules 7.1, 7.2 or
    7.4 to 7.9 inclusive.

    (2) Premature Termination of a Game –
    By reason of:
    (i) A Player(s) refusing to leave the Field when ordered off, or rejoining the Game having been ordered off.
    (ii) A Team or Player(s) leaving the Field without the Referee’s Permission or Refusing to continue Playing.
    Penalties:
    Team and other Penalties – as in (1) above.
    Player(s) who caused Termination – 24 weeks suspension, in addition to any suspension for an Infraction committed in the Game.

    (3) Disruptive Conduct by Players, Team Officials or Supporters (not causing the Premature Termination of a Game).
    Penalties shall be at the discretion of the Council or Committee-in-Charge, subject to a Penalty being of a form provided for in Rules 7.1, 7.2 or
    7.4 to 7.9 inclusive.

    (4) The Council or Committee-in-Charge may direct that Units refuse admittance to the Property owned or controlled by the Association to
    any person, whether or not a member of the Association, if that person is considered to be guilty of Disruptive Conduct at Games.

    (e) Misconduct Considered to have Discredited the Association.
    This shall include breaches of Rule 1.12 Official Guide Part 1, and Rules 5.33 (Hurling) and 5.29 (Football) Aggressive Fouls, Playing Rules, Official Guide Part 2.
    Penalties:
    Member - A minimum 8 weeks suspension. Debarment and Expulsion from the Association may also be considered.
    Team/Unit - Where suspension is deemed appropriate - a minimum of 8 weeks. A Fine, Disqualification and Expulsion from the Association may also be
    considered.

    Seems a bit mad that the only possible sanction that a referee can impose on non-players on the day of a match is the nuclear option of terminating the match.

    Can't help think that if the referee had the option to award a 13 metre free as a result of bad behaviour by non-players (managers/selectors/maor foirne/water carriers/hurley carriers/medical staff) it would lead to improved behaviour.

    http://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/ludlpjt6lq1ywtpsy4zn.pdf

    http://res.cloudinary.com/dvrbaruzq/image/upload/exnejkiqisbjvu1znpde.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭ zetecescort


    Kevin McStay denies being sent off v Donegal this year so presumably sending off a non-player is an option for refs?

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0721/980246-i-wasnt-sent-off-in-donegal-defeat-says-kevin-mcstay/


  • Registered Users Posts: 517 benji79


    I can’t remember which game but in this years hurling championship wasn’t there some game where back room member interference on a free at end of game and everybody said it should be brought forward.
    So from the rule book it wasn’t actually an option


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭ Boom__Boom


    Kevin McStay denies being sent off v Donegal this year so presumably sending off a non-player is an option for refs?

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0721/980246-i-wasnt-sent-off-in-donegal-defeat-says-kevin-mcstay/

    Yeah I had a look through the rules to see if the ref had the option to send of a non-player and I couldn't find anything.

    I think what happens when a manager/selector/backgroom team member is sent to the stand is that a ref will warn them about their behaviour and tell them that what they are doing will be going into the ref's report and it would look better for them if they follow the ref's advice to remove themselves from the sideline. I'm not 100% { maybe some ref can advise } but I can't ever remember any non-player ever being shown an actual card by a ref.


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