Leaf, which one to pick?

jarrieta

Hi, another question. I was looking at two leaf cars today, one tekna 152 24kWh and one acenta 161 30kWh. The tekna is 2k cheaper and I was going to pull the trigger with that one as I prefer having decent lights.

But I used leafspy to check the SOH and the tekna (152) had only 87% while the acenta (161) had 99%

I don't think I am going to buy the tekna because it feels it has lost too much battery in 3 years.

What do people think?

Also no service registered in any of them

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

Hi, another question. I was looking at two leaf cars today, one tekna 152 24kWh and one acenta 161 20kWh.

Did you mean 30kWh?
Its either a 24 or a 30. There is no 20.

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

Did you mean 30kWh?
Its either a 24 or a 30. There is no 20.

Yes, 30kWh, fat fingers, sorry

daheff

if it were me and money was available, I'd go for the newer car with the bigger battery. Its newer, probably less miles on it & battery health is much better.

jarrieta

daheff wrote: »

if it were me and money was available, I'd go for the newer car with the bigger battery. Its newer, probably less miles on it & battery health is much better.

yeah, battery health is 99% vs 86%, the 161 30kWh has 18k km and the 152 25kWh has 54k km

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

Yes, 30kWh, fat fingers, sorry

A 3yr old Leaf will be avergaing around 90% SOH and you said it read 87% so thats about right. The SOH is a guesstimate and it can move up/down ~5% by just using it or fast charging it so I think its SOH is normal enough.

Is the car at a dealers parked up? That would cause it to show a lower SOH.


The 99% that the 161 is showing is obviously better but that could easily drop a few percentage points when you drive it for a few days.


Its a personal decision but I'd plumb for the 30kWh just to have the extra range and forego the lights. Retrofit them if it bothers you that much.

unkel

Looks like the '15 is wildly overpriced or the '16 is far too cheap. Or a bit of both

Links to ads?

jarrieta

unkel wrote: »

Looks like the '15 is wildly overpriced or the '16 is far too cheap. Or a bit of both

Links to ads?

You cannot see them in the ads, they are 13.500 and 15.500 respectively, in good condition both (might have to change the tyres in the 161 that feels a bit strange with only 18.000km now that I think about it)

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

You cannot see them in the ads, they are 13.500 and 15.500 respectively, in good condition both (might have to change the tyres in the 161 that feels a bit strange with only 18.000km now that I think about it)

Private sale or dealer asking prices?

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

Private sale or dealer asking prices?

Dealer asking prices

Sabre Man

More range is always better unless you're 100% sure you won't need it.

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

You cannot see them in the ads, they are 13.500 and 15.500 respectively, in good condition both (might have to change the tyres in the 161 that feels a bit strange with only 18.000km now that I think about it)

I think I saw those two Leaf's. Are they both at the one dealer with one pic showing both?

Are you sure the 161 is a 30kWh? Did LeafSpy show the extra battery capacity? Im guessing its not, based on the ad I looked at but maybe I have the wrong car, and it looked like a Tekna to me based on the alloys on it. I wouldnt trust the dealers word on it. Some of them havent a clue when it comes to EV's.

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

I think I saw those two Leaf's. Are they both at the one dealer with one pic showing both?

Are you sure the 161 is a 30kWh? Did LeafSpy show the extra battery capacity? Im guessing its not, based on the ad I looked at but maybe I have the wrong car, and it looked like a Tekna to me based on the alloys on it. I wouldnt trust the dealers word on it. Some of them havent a clue when it comes to EV's.

Yes, that is the one with tekna alloys. Leafspy reports 78.50AHr so I think it is a 30kWh

Gumbo

Post a link to the ad

jarrieta

kceire wrote: »

Post a link to the ad

There you are, you cannot see anything there, that is why I didn't post it earlier https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-x2-choice/19766320

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

Yes, that is the one with tekna alloys. Leafspy reports 78.50AHr so I think it is a 30kWh

ok, good that you have LeafSpy. That would be a 30kWh then. What a s*it ad. You'd think they would at least state that the 161 is a 30kWh. The prices look reasonable to me particularly since they are asking prices. I'd go for the 30kWh if I had the budget.

What confuses me is that the 161 looks like it has Tekna alloys and you say its an Acenta? Have the alloys been changed on it or is it a Tekna as well?

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

ok, good that you have LeafSpy. That would be a 30kWh then. What a s*it ad. You'd think they would at least state that the 161 is a 30kWh.

What confuses me is that the 161 looks like it has Tekna alloys and you say its an Acenta? Have the alloys been changed on it or is it a Tekna as well?

It is an acenta with tekna alloys, that is a bit suspicious all right... Looks like it is an UK import too!

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

It is an acenta with tekna alloys, that is a bit suspicious all right... Looks like it is an UK import too!

€15500 for a 30kWh Acenta seems reasonable enough asking price.

If the car checks out I'd be going for that over the 152.

Check the rear tyre wear is even. Even if its not you can get Nissan to repair under warranty but best to figure it out now before you buy it than after the warranty is up.

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

€15500 for a 30kWh Acenta seems reasonable enough asking price.

If the car checks out I'd be going for that over the 152.

Check the rear tyre wear is even. Even if its not you can get Nissan to repair under warranty but best to figure it out now before you buy it than after the warranty is up.

I checked today, they seems more or less even, maybe the left one slightly more worn than the right one, but each tyre very uniformly worn (they were quite worn so I guess I would have been able to tell if axle was bad). Anyway, hard to tell as I guess those wheels have been changed at some point for tekna ones?

slave1

At €2K difference, then the L30, extra range, extra battery warranty, newer car, no brainer

jarrieta

slave1 wrote: »

At €2K difference, then the L30, extra range, extra battery warranty, newer car, no brainer

Yeah, that was my initial thought, my OH made me think that the extra equipment might have been worth it. Now I am concerned that the service log is empty so not sure if there will be any warranty on it

daheff

jarrieta wrote: »

Yeah, that was my initial thought, my OH made me think that the extra equipment might have been worth it. Now I am concerned that the service log is empty so not sure if there will be any warranty on it

didnt look to hard at the ad, but assuming its not a main dealer?

if not, can you check the warranty with a main dealer?


If both have empty logs then you are not getting any extra benefit off either car ? So this shouldn't be a differentiator between these 2 cards

jarrieta

Ok, so I made up my mind and bought a history check for the car, looks like it was written off in Dec 2016 in the UK. I am going to give it a pass I'd say.

I will keep looking, almost a year now

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

Ok, so I made up my mind and bought a history check for the car, looks like it was written off in Dec 2016 in the UK. I am going to give it a pass I'd say.

I will keep looking, almost a year now

The 152 or the 161?
Did the dealer play dumb?

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

The 152 or the 161?
Did the dealer play dumb?

Sorry, the 161, didn't check the 152, but I guess will be similar? He said no probs and asked me about the write-off category, that was a C

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

He said no probs and asked me about the write-off category, that was a C

Which means he played dumb!

It is keenly enough priced. He got that cheap for a reason.

It might still be a perfectly fine car but obviously you could have issues selling it on with that on its record, so you would need to be sure you got it at a further discount to cover your losses.

The dealer should have come clean though and if he genuinely didnt know it was Cat C he isnt doing his job, so not good either way.

n97 mini

jarrieta wrote: »

Ok, so I made up my mind and bought a history check for the car, looks like it was written off in Dec 2016 in the UK. I am going to give it a pass I'd say.

I will keep looking, almost a year now

Good call!

BTW, another thing to consider is 6.6kw onboard charging and whether that's important to you. When we were in the market 6.6kw was a must for us, which narrowed down the range of available cars considerably.

jarrieta

n97 mini wrote: »

Good call!

BTW, another thing to consider is 6.6kw onboard charging and whether that's important to you. When we were in the market 6.6kw was a must for us, which narrowed down the range of available cars considerably.

Nah, not very picky. Just have been trying to sell my car privately and being a 06 looks like noone wants them anymore, they weren't cheap when I bought it 2 years ago and price was increasing when I bought. So I need to trade it in and get a decent offer for the Leaf

ewj1978

I call absolute BS that the dealer didn't know that was a CAT C. Fecking chancers.
Always do a check when buying any car. You just never know.

slave1

ewj1978 wrote: »

I call absolute BS that the dealer didn't know that was a CAT C. Fecking chancers.

Totally agree, they have access to the same checks as us, they knew when they bought it for sure

Zenith74

What range do you need day-to-day jarrieta? Think that is worth answering so you can decide whether a 30kwh is a requirement or not, because there is a fairly significant difference in price between a 152 24kwh and a 161 30kwh and if you don't need the extra range (like say you have a second car) it may not be worthwhile.

Having been in the three specs, I would only buy a Tekna and would take a slightly older Leaf to get it. That depends on how you feel about comfort/gadgets in cars, it means nothing to lots of people, but it's the difference between driving what feels like an economy car and something more premium than the price reflects. Between the speed, sturdiness, gadgets and leather interior the Tekna is a very plush car to drive imho...

jarrieta

Zenith74 wrote: »

What range do you need day-to-day jarrieta? Think that is worth answering so you can decide whether a 30kwh is a requirement or not, because there is a fairly significant difference in price between a 152 24kwh and a 161 30kwh and if you don't need the extra range (like say you have a second car) it may not be worthwhile.

Having been in the three specs, I would only buy a Tekna and would take a slightly older Leaf to get it. That depends on how you feel about comfort/gadgets in cars, it means nothing to lots of people, but it's the difference between driving what feels like an economy car and something more premium than the price reflects. Between the speed, sturdiness, gadgets and leather interior the Tekna is a very plush car to drive imho...

Yeah, the 30kWh could be handy to collect people from the airport as I live in Bray and that could be a stretch for the 24. But I would happily buy a 24 anyway unless the price is the correct for the bigger battery. Anyway, looks like I won't be buying any of these because of being write offs anyway. Thanks for the advice

Zenith74

Bray to the airport and back will be no problem in the L24, I do that trip regularly in an older 86%SOH L24 only charged to 80%. That's assuming you're not doing 140km/h on the M50 (as if ). Even more doable if you take the East Link which avoids the battery-sapping motorway...

jarrieta

Zenith74 wrote: »

Bray to the airport and back will be no problem in the L24, I do that trip regularly in an older 86%SOH L24 only charged to 80%. That's assuming you're not doing 140km/h on the M50 (as if ). Even more doable if you take the East Link which avoids the battery-sapping motorway...

Thanks! I thought so, but will see in winter in a couple of years. Tired of browsing I pulled the trigger on a 152 Tekna, a bit expensive but checked the battery and read at 97% with 54k km, thankfully comes with the two keys and both cables!

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

Tired of browsing I pulled the trigger on a 152 Tekna, a bit expensive but checked the battery and read at 97% with 54k km, thankfully comes with the two keys and both cables!

Might be a 6.6kW so as well? Do you know?

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

Might be a 6.6kW so as well? Do you know?

No, don't think so.

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

No, don't think so.

Two cables usually is a good sign, though not 100%, that it is a 6.6kW. Its possible the seller doesnt even know as its not listed in the log book or anywhere else obvious on the car.

Check the menu to see the charge times. If it shows a time to charge for 6.6kW you know it has it.... do you know the menu to check?

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

Two cables usually is a good sign, though not 100%, that it is a 6.6kW. Its possible the seller doesnt even know as its not listed in the log book or anywhere else obvious on the car.

Check the menu to see the charge times. If it shows a time to charge for 6.6kW you know it has it.... do you know the menu to check?

No, I don't know, could not even navigate the menus, didn't know what buttons to press. Don't mind the 6.6 but would be a nice surprise, but usually surprises when buying a car are not in the good side.

Zenith74

jarrieta wrote: »

Thanks! I thought so, but will see in winter in a couple of years. Tired of browsing I pulled the trigger on a 152 Tekna, a bit expensive but checked the battery and read at 97% with 54k km, thankfully comes with the two keys and both cables!

Congrats, I'm sure you'll love it, there's no going back! Good call on the Tekna as well, also no going back from that trim level

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

No, I don't know, could not even navigate the menus, didn't know what buttons to press. Don't mind the 6.6 but would be a nice surprise, but usually surprises when buying a car are not in the good side.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102224294&postcount=175

Press the top left button in the 4 button cluster to the right of the steering wheel to cycle through the menus until you see the above menu.

If you see 6kW(as in that screenshot) it has the 6.6kW charger.

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102224294&postcount=175

Press the top left button in the 4 button cluster to the right of the steering wheel to cycle through the menus until you see the above menu.

If you see 6kW(as in that screenshot) it has the 6.6kW charger.

Thanks! Will see tomorrow when I collect it (if the insurance company finds the car to change the policy :mad:) I doubt it will be 6.6kW

KCross

jarrieta wrote: »

Thanks! Will see tomorrow when I collect it (if the insurance company finds the car to change the policy :mad:) I doubt it will be 6.6kW

Were the cables genuine Nissan cables? If they are genuine cables there is a good chance its a 6.6kW.

No Leaf's sold new in Ireland were given the granny cable, AFAIK.

Most 6.6kW cars in the UK were given both cables.

Its possible someone bought it after market but they are expensive to buy so most people wouldnt.

jarrieta

Ok, I collected the car this morning, Type 2 to Type 1 cable and original nissan granny cable (I wasn't sure when you asked yesterday). It is definitely a 3,3kW onboard charger as I thought, but nice to have both cables.

Pleasure to drive to be honest, first 20 km quite frightening (I guess the M50 going up) as the GOM wen to below 90km very quickly. It stabilised after that.

Will report how it goes

Gumbo

KCross wrote: »

Two cables usually is a good sign, though not 100%, that it is a 6.6kW. Its possible the seller doesnt even know as its not listed in the log book or anywhere else obvious on the car.

Check the menu to see the charge times. If it shows a time to charge for 6.6kW you know it has it.... do you know the menu to check?

2 cables came with my 3.3kw Leaf.

KCross

kceire wrote: »

KCross wrote: »

Two cables usually is a good sign, though not 100%, that it is a 6.6kW. Its possible the seller doesnt even know as its not listed in the log book or anywhere else obvious on the car.

Check the menu to see the charge times. If it shows a time to charge for 6.6kW you know it has it.... do you know the menu to check?

2 cables came with my 3.3kw Leaf.

That would be rare enough but, as I said, possible. Were they both OEM cables?

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

That would be rare enough but, as I said, possible. Were they both OEM cables?

Not sure, the granny is definirely Nissan, might be new though as it is in great condition.

Forgot to check the number of QCs the other day, 10 in 3 years/32k miles

Btw I am struggling to set up carwings/nissan connect, I was able to add the car in the web but cannot do anything in the web and the app does not accept the username (email)/password and I cannot enter the username in the car security settings as it is too long

DM1983

2 cables with my 3.3 kw too. Both OEM. UK import.

Stealthirl

jarrieta wrote: »

Btw I am struggling to set up carwings/nissan connect, I was able to add the car in the web but cannot do anything in the web and the app does not accept the username (email)/password and I cannot enter the username in the car security settings as it is too long

Is it deregistered from the last owner on the Nissan servers ? If not i think you have to go to them and get that done before you set up an account.

jarrieta

Stealthirl wrote: »

Is it deregistered from the last owner on the Nissan servers ? If not i think you have to go to them and get that done before you set up an account.

Yeah, after a few hours figuring out what the process is, I think that is the problem. Just having a different message to what I saw people posting when registering in carwings

"Thank you. However, to make it easier for you, we've already created your YOU+NISSAN account - you'll shortly receive an email with the details. Please then use these to sign in to YOU+NISSAN and activate your account by accepting the T&Cs.
If you do not receive this email in the next hour, please contact Nissan Customer Services on 01923 899334 to continue your registration."

Emailed support this morning and will see what they say

Stealthirl

Id be interested to hear back as would others id say