Spain Query: Residence without work visa

shuffles03

Hey everyone,

Myself and my partner will be moving to Spain shortly. I'm Irish and my partner is Brazilian and I'll be working full time.

We are currently looking at the different visa options available to my partner.

I've contacted the Spanish Embassy and I'm currently waiting for a response but thought it would be good to ask here too - thanks a mil in advance.

• I've downloaded the relevant forms for this type of visa and have a question.
• I'll be covering all costs when we are in Spain.
• The form states that my partner would need to provide proof of sufficient funds.
• As I will be covering all costs, is it possible for me to provide proof?
• We are not married.
• We will be looking to secure a 12 month visa for my partner.

Many thanks in advance,
Keith.

troyzer

Sufficient funds in most countries usually is only a couple of grand. They'll often accept a credit card.

If not, just transfer your partner some money, print off the statements and get it back off them. Job done. I did this when I was in Australia and they have much stricter immigration laws.

shuffles03

Thanks for the response. My concern is that I think she will need to show proof of €2k+ per month and need savings as well.

troyzer

I don't know how Spanish visas work but I have experience applying for visas in a few different countries and it's proof of funds they want, not proof of income. Unless of course she needs to have been offered a job as a condition of the visa?

They basically want her to be have enough money to be able to leave the country.

munchkin_utd

I didnt think Spain had an open door policy for residence from anyone from anywhere in the world, but seemingly they do, if you have the funds in place.

These americans did what the OP is looking for without need for external help and essentially all they had to prove was that they had a place (rent or owned) in Spain, plus a solid income of 25 600 per adult (for you supporting a second person you'd double that) or a bank account with double the annual required income so 51200 (for you bankrolling a non EU citizen thats a bank statement with 102400)
http://askannahow.com/spain/non-lucrative-visa-to-spain/

its an interesting read. With the background of so many brits living in Spain and the upcoming brexit, it looks like that "non-lucrative visa" (basically non working visa) might cover the brits too

troyzer

munchkin_utd wrote: »

I didnt think Spain had an open door policy for residence from anyone from anywhere in the world, but seemingly they do, if you have the funds in place.

These americans did what the OP is looking for without need for external help and essentially all they had to prove was that they had a place (rent or owned) in Spain, plus a solid income of 25 600 per adult (for you supporting a second person you'd double that) or a bank account with double the annual required income so 51200 (for you bankrolling a non EU citizen thats a bank statement with 102400)
http://askannahow.com/spain/non-lucrative-visa-to-spain/

its an interesting read. With the background of so many brits living in Spain and the upcoming brexit, it looks like that "non-lucrative visa" (basically non working visa) might cover the brits too

If this is what you're going for then ignore everything I've said.

It's a bit weird that they'd require you to have an income but not a job offer? Are you supposed to commute from Spain?

Under His Eye

EU4FAM visa is what your wife needs. Should be a straightforward process.

troyzer

Under His Eye wrote: »

EU4FAM visa is what your wife needs. Should be a straightforward process.

They're not married.

shuffles03

Hey everyone,

Thanks for all of the replies.

It was a long old day yesterday trying to get the correct information from the Embassy etc.

Different answers, answers to different questions you hadn't asked which muted a previous point.

Anyways, she's applying for a study visa instead.

We wouldn't be able to show sufficient funds to cover both people for 12 months if we were to apply for the residence non working visa.

Originally, she was going to apply for a 12 month study visa. However, the cost of the course (intensive Spanish) is 4,750 + she would need to provide proof of sufficient funds for the 12 months on top of that (500 x 12 months = 6,000). All in all, it was too much. We would need to find 11,000 (even though the 6,000 is just to show on a statement, we wouldn't be able to do it).

We've opted to apply for a 7 month study visa instead. The price of the course is less but more importantly, she will only need to show 3,500 (which is doable).

I'm trying to double/treble confirm information about re-applying after the 7 months is finished but essentially, I've found this:

If you are staying for longer than 6 months you can apply for a residence card (you apply within the first 30 days after arrival).

The residence card lasts 12 months and can be renewed every year for 5 years as long as you are still studying.

Now, finding that little nugget of information out proved to be extremely difficult.

When I rang the Embassy yesterday, I mentioned about going for 6 months. The lady at the other end of the line spent 10 mins explaining that 6 months was no long enough in order to secure a residence card and therefore pretty much a no go. It was only when I asked the question - how long does one need to stay in Spain before they can apply for a residence card, that she told me - over 6 months.

If I hadn't asked that question I would have hung up thinking there was no way for her to go to Spain. That's been my experience to date so far. I only get answers to the specific question I ask, nothing more, nothing less.

Also, on top of that, when I asked the lady on the phone if we could renew the study visa at the end of the 7 months, she told me she didn't know. My response was - but you're the Embassy and you organise the visa in the first place. If you don't know, then who does?

Had to Google the answer which is where I found out that the residency card can be renewed (as above).

Just need to confirm it though but don't know where.

It's a balls really. She doesn't want to study but it's the only feasible option we can see at this point. It's what she's doing here but it's a lot cheaper to study here than Spain.

It is what it is I suppose.

We applied for an appointment with the Embassy and chosen November 13 as our date. It roughly takes 3 weeks for the visa to be ready after that date (if successful) plus she may be called earlier.

Now we're off to contact the Brazilian and Irish police to get a no criminal record doc and then translate it into Spanish (same with a medical).

troyzer

shuffles03 wrote: »

Hey everyone,

Thanks for all of the replies.

It was a long old day yesterday trying to get the correct information from the Embassy etc.

Different answers, answers to different questions you hadn't asked which muted a previous point.

Anyways, she's applying for a study visa instead.

We wouldn't be able to show sufficient funds to cover both people for 12 months if we were to apply for the residence non working visa.

Originally, she was going to apply for a 12 month study visa. However, the cost of the course (intensive Spanish) is 4,750 + she would need to provide proof of sufficient funds for the 12 months on top of that (500 x 12 months = 6,000). All in all, it was too much. We would need to find 11,000 (even though the 6,000 is just to show on a statement, we wouldn't be able to do it).

We've opted to apply for a 7 month study visa instead. The price of the course is less but more importantly, she will only need to show 3,500 (which is doable).

I'm trying to double/treble confirm information about re-applying after the 7 months is finished but essentially, I've found this:

If you are staying for longer than 6 months you can apply for a residence card (you apply within the first 30 days after arrival).

The residence card lasts 12 months and can be renewed every year for 5 years as long as you are still studying.

Now, finding that little nugget of information out proved to be extremely difficult.

When I rang the Embassy yesterday, I mentioned about going for 6 months. The lady at the other end of the line spent 10 mins explaining that 6 months was no long enough in order to secure a residence card and therefore pretty much a no go. It was only when I asked the question - how long does one need to stay in Spain before they can apply for a residence card, that she told me - over 6 months.

If I hadn't asked that question I would have hung up thinking there was no way for her to go to Spain. That's been my experience to date so far. I only get answers to the specific question I ask, nothing more, nothing less.

Also, on top of that, when I asked the lady on the phone if we could renew the study visa at the end of the 7 months, she told me she didn't know. My response was - but you're the Embassy and you organise the visa in the first place. If you don't know, then who does?

Had to Google the answer which is where I found out that the residency card can be renewed (as above).

Just need to confirm it though but don't know where.

It's a balls really. She doesn't want to study but it's the only feasible option we can see at this point. It's what she's doing here but it's a lot cheaper to study here than Spain.

It is what it is I suppose.

We applied for an appointment with the Embassy and chosen November 13 as our date. It roughly takes 3 weeks for the visa to be ready after that date (if successful) plus she may be called earlier.

Now we're off to contact the Brazilian and Irish police to get a no criminal record doc and then translate it into Spanish (same with a medical).

If the relationship is serious, you could tie the knot? Does she have any European grandparents? Apparentely there are shed loads of Brazilians who have Italian grandparents and can get Italian passports.

shuffles03

Does anyone know of a Spanish immigration lawyer?

ebbsy

troyzer wrote: »

shuffles03 wrote: »

Hey everyone,

Thanks for all of the replies.

It was a long old day yesterday trying to get the correct information from the Embassy etc.

Different answers, answers to different questions you hadn't asked which muted a previous point.

Anyways, she's applying for a study visa instead.

We wouldn't be able to show sufficient funds to cover both people for 12 months if we were to apply for the residence non working visa.

Originally, she was going to apply for a 12 month study visa. However, the cost of the course (intensive Spanish) is 4,750 + she would need to provide proof of sufficient funds for the 12 months on top of that (500 x 12 months = 6,000). All in all, it was too much. We would need to find 11,000 (even though the 6,000 is just to show on a statement, we wouldn't be able to do it).

We've opted to apply for a 7 month study visa instead. The price of the course is less but more importantly, she will only need to show 3,500 (which is doable).

I'm trying to double/treble confirm information about re-applying after the 7 months is finished but essentially, I've found this:

If you are staying for longer than 6 months you can apply for a residence card (you apply within the first 30 days after arrival).

The residence card lasts 12 months and can be renewed every year for 5 years as long as you are still studying.

Now, finding that little nugget of information out proved to be extremely difficult.

When I rang the Embassy yesterday, I mentioned about going for 6 months. The lady at the other end of the line spent 10 mins explaining that 6 months was no long enough in order to secure a residence card and therefore pretty much a no go. It was only when I asked the question - how long does one need to stay in Spain before they can apply for a residence card, that she told me - over 6 months.

If I hadn't asked that question I would have hung up thinking there was no way for her to go to Spain. That's been my experience to date so far. I only get answers to the specific question I ask, nothing more, nothing less.

Also, on top of that, when I asked the lady on the phone if we could renew the study visa at the end of the 7 months, she told me she didn't know. My response was - but you're the Embassy and you organise the visa in the first place. If you don't know, then who does?

Had to Google the answer which is where I found out that the residency card can be renewed (as above).

Just need to confirm it though but don't know where.

It's a balls really. She doesn't want to study but it's the only feasible option we can see at this point. It's what she's doing here but it's a lot cheaper to study here than Spain.

It is what it is I suppose.

We applied for an appointment with the Embassy and chosen November 13 as our date. It roughly takes 3 weeks for the visa to be ready after that date (if successful) plus she may be called earlier.

Now we're off to contact the Brazilian and Irish police to get a no criminal record doc and then translate it into Spanish (same with a medical).

If the relationship is serious, you could tie the knot? Does she have any European grandparents? Apparentely there are shed loads of Brazilians who have Italian grandparents and can get Italian passports.

+1

Get married.

shuffles03

troyzer wrote: »

If the relationship is serious, you could tie the knot? Does she have any European grandparents? Apparentely there are shed loads of Brazilians who have Italian grandparents and can get Italian passports.

I'm separated so that's a no go unfortunately.
Nope, unfortunately, no European grandparents.

troyzer

shuffles03 wrote: »

I'm separated so that's a no go unfortunately.
Nope, unfortunately, no European grandparents.

How long has she been living in Ireland and why does it have to be Spain?

To be honest, if you're not married then this thread largely misses the point that she's essentially applying as an individual herself. The law doesn't care who you are if you're not married.

What you're really asking is how does a Brazilian go about moving to Spain. In 2018 it's really difficult to up and move from a developing nation to a wealthy country. You need to think outside of the box.

A student visa probably won't allow her to work. Can she apply for a skilled visa? What about an au pair visa?

Under His Eye

Does Spain recognise defacto partnerships for the purposes of EU4FAM visas?

breatheme

Under His Eye wrote: »

Does Spain recognise defacto partnerships for the purposes of EU4FAM visas?

Yes, they do. The process to do a de facto partnership (Spanish: Pareja de Hecho) here is cumbersome though, I don't know if they recognize them from abroad. I'll ask.

Also, Madrid resident here, I can try to answer some of your questions to the best of my ability.

troyzer

breatheme wrote: »

Yes, they do. The process to do a de facto partnership (Spanish: Pareja de Hecho) here is cumbersome though, I don't know if they recognize them from abroad. I'll ask.

Also, Madrid resident here, I can try to answer some of your questions to the best of my ability.

I doubt they'd recognise a de facto if the OP is still already married.

breatheme

True, you need to be legally single to do that here.