Target shotgun

Gleefulprinter

Thinking of investing in a new gun and trying a hand at the new stuff.
Is it easy to get a shotgun for target shooting witht he gardai? what guns are lads using? Is slug ammo hard to get?

aaakev

If by target shooting you mean clays its pretty easy once you have a good record. Slugs are restricted ammo and therfor require a restricted license which again you can get but its a bit more stringent.

If you mean tactical shooting then no, we are not allowed have that much fun with guns in this country

Uinseann_16

aaakev wrote: »

If by target shooting you mean clays its pretty easy once you have a good record. Slugs are restricted ammo and therfor require a restricted license which again you can get but its a bit more stringent.

If you mean tactical shooting then no, we are not allowed have that much fun with guns in this country

I think hes on about embassy cup?:pac:

aaakev

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

I think hes on about embassy cup?:pac:

So we're allowed have a little bit of fun! Haha

Uinseann_16

aaakev wrote: »

So we're allowed have a little bit of fun! Haha

Aye but just a little bit of fun not too much then itd havta be banned:D

Gorgeousgeorge

Target shotgun?

Uinseann_16

Gleefulprinter wrote: »

Thinking of investing in a new gun and trying a hand at the new stuff.
Is it easy to get a shotgun for target shooting witht he gardai? what guns are lads using? Is slug ammo hard to get?

There are already quite a few threads on this subject the questions your asking have been asked and answered previously spend a while looking through old threads and you'll get all the answers you want:pac:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101159271

The shotguns used in embassy cup are a restricted firearm
For shotguns any pump or semi auto with a greater than 2+1 capacity ive been looking into buying a cheap hatsan escort 12g from the UK to get into it next year though theres plenty of options available.
The slug ammuntion will be a bit dear alright but any restricted firearms dealer can get slugs for you.
Yes theres a small bit of extra bother getting a restricted firearm but if you have all your ducks in a row theres no reason you wouldnt get it i.e. Range membership and proper security arrangements.

Grizzly 45

And make sure you put down,T&P,Multi target,as well as embassy cup.As there are various disciplines being shot nowadays with a shotgun.

Hack12

Do NOT put any disciplines down. Only put Target Shotgun and you need a Restricted Permit in order to buy slugs. If you mention disciplines they may put it on your permit and you can only shoot those disciplines. If more disciplines come on stream you will need to get approval from AGS to shoot them.

If they ask at renewal for proof of shooting and you submit another discipline you don't have approval to shoot on your permit you're in trouble.

If called in for a meeting with CS by all means say currently shoot X, Y snd Z but that more disciplines may be added.....

There is also Target Shotgun disciplines going out 100M, 200M etc

Gleefulprinter

Thanks lads. Any gun recommendations?

Hack12

Beretta 1301 Comp is nice as semi or Remi 870 as a pump. Hilltop have a 870 Express in stock (you will need to buy a mag extension).

clivej

Yeah it's easy enough to get the restricted license if you have all your points and good reason (Target shooting). You could approach the current bodies that run the comps to get a cover letter to bring to the CS if you have to go to a meeting.
Slugs are easy enough to find and run bout €80/100. But make sure to buy the target slugs as they are easier on ur shoulder.
I have both a Maverick 88 pump, 7+1 and a Hatsan Escort MPA semi, 7+1.
Both ideal for what your looking for, cheap and do the job.

Uinseann_16

clivej wrote: »

Yeah it's easy enough to get the restricted license if you have all your points and good reason (Target shooting). You could approach the current bodies that run the comps to get a cover letter to bring to the CS if you have to go to a meeting.
Slugs are easy enough to find and run bout €80/100. But make sure to buy the target slugs as they are easier on ur shoulder.
I have both a Maverick 88 pump, 7+1 and a Hatsan Escort MPA semi, 7+1.
Both ideal for what your looking for, cheap and do the job.

How has the Hatsan worked out for you? Thats what i was looking at though i am weary at how cheap they are and whether theyd be reliable. Could you actually be competitive with one?
Also the thread i linked showed you(i assume its you) shooting at lough bo, are there many lads doing embassy cup there as its the closest range to me?

NASRPC

Target Shotgun is a term that refers to a number of disciplines, all shot with slug ammunition on paper targets.

Nationally scores are separated into "manual" for pump actions and "semi" for semi auto.

Currently, Nationally graded matches are "Timed & Precision 1", "Multi Target", "Embassy Cup" and "100/200m Target Shotgun". I have no doubt more disciplines will be added, over time.

Internationally, they are administered by the ITSF (International Target Shotgun Federation), of which NASRPC (National Association of Sporting Rifle & Pistol Clubs) is the Irish member.

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In terms of firearms, you will need a firearm capable of holding 4 shots in either pump or semi - there has been no request, as yet, for manual (break action)

Any sights are permitted.

In terms of what are competitive firearms or ammunition - I will have to leave that to the experts.

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I can recommend attending the National in Lough Bo (Sligo) at the end of this month (match notice to be published this weekend) where you can see the disciplines shot, talk to some of the competitors and get some advice on how to get started.
Of course, you can shoot a few matches with the tools you already have, or try your hand at their clay layout, while you are there)

There is also a Club match, including Target Shotgun, in MTSC (Limerick) this weekend (www.mtsc.ie) - contact them for more info if planning to attend.

clivej

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

How has the Hatsan worked out for you? Thats what i was looking at though i am weary at how cheap they are and whether theyd be reliable. Could you actually be competitive with one?
Also the thread i linked showed you(i assume its you) shooting at lough bo, are there many lads doing embassy cup there as its the closest range to me?

Yes that's me, but I can't do embassy cup now as my auld bones don't bent as well as they use to.
The Hatsan MOA semi is a very good SG to start off with it will do exactly what you what at small money. And has a picatinny rail as standard for a scope or red dot sight.
You need a mag that will take 6 (5+1) for T&P1 and multi target and 4 for embassy cup.

Grizzly 45

Hack12 wrote: »

Do NOT put any disciplines down. Only put Target Shotgun and you need a Restricted Permit in order to buy slugs. If you mention disciplines they may put it on your permit and you can only shoot those disciplines. If more disciplines come on stream you will need to get approval from AGS to shoot them.

If they ask at renewal for proof of shooting and you submit another discipline you don't have approval to shoot on your permit you're in trouble.

If called in for a meeting with CS by all means say currently shoot X, Y snd Z but that more disciplines may be added.....

There is also Target Shotgun disciplines going out 100M, 200M etc

And if you are ASKED,as I was?? Saying just "target shotgun " is not enough for some CS and BTW you had better have some sort of paperwork describing the competitions for them too,as it is pretty unknown. I gave them the UK NRA manual for this

BTW NASRPC organisation....Get your act together on this and put up some info on the website! You had FA info on this when I enquired off you this year and STILL have nothing on the website about these disciplines!:mad: Good job I was arsed to go trace some info down from the UK NRA,there would be many who wouldn't be...You want people coming into the sport,and you are the first port of call.
No info,no one will be applying,no growth.

Grizzly 45

Can't go wrong with either Mossie or Remmy, just make sure your 870 is a Wingmaster or up to mid-90s. Remington had quality control issues recently,and the newest 870s are being cussed as utter POS.

Both brands can be easily "Barbiefied" to whatever configuration you want, with stocks, sights, shorter barrels, longer mag tubes,or in the Mossbergs case, retrofitted to box mag configuration. [Both companies now offer box loaded pumps too]

gunny123

Any clubs around wicklow doing these disciplines ? Clays are ok, but looking at doing something else for a change.

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Can't go wrong with either Mossie or Remmy, just make sure your 870 is a Wingmaster or up to mid-90s. Remington had quality control issues recently,and the newest 870s are being cussed as utter POS.

Both brands can be easily "Barbiefied" to whatever configuration you want, with stocks, sights, shorter barrels, longer mag tubes,or in the Mossbergs case, retrofitted to box mag configuration. [Both companies now offer box loaded pumps too]

I hear the mossberg leaves the remmy for dead now, due to remingtons QC issues. I did have a mossy pa years ago and it never missed a beat.

Hack12

Grizzly 45 wrote:

And if you are ASKED,as I was?? Saying just "target shotgun " is not enough for some CS and BTW you had better have some sort of paperwork describing the competitions for them too,as it is pretty unknown. I gave them the UK NRA manual for this

Exactly as you said "for some" but not all.......... I also said if asked mention matches shot.

Why openly invite conditions on a permit which may not be to your advantage?

It's an evolving discipline that will grow further and if you are restricted to T&P1, Multi, Embassy.... you are only holding yourself back in your sport as more matches come on board.

By all means have a copy of current matches shot in Target Shotgun if asked to provide them.

PSXDupe

I'd second the recommendation of the Beretta 1301 Comp. Like you I decided to try my hand a Target Shotgun earlier this year. First time out with this and score 290/300. Considering I'd never shot a slug at a target from 25m before, I thought it was quite good. Saying that, the gun done most of the work, the Beretta shoots slugs extremely well.

Plus shooting T&P with a 12G shotgun is class, I shot a lot of guns in the past but target shotgun is one of the best.

One issue is the cost of slugs, expect to pay in the region of €1 per round, a lot compared to .22LR, cheap compared to quailty .308 rounds

freddieot

PSXDupe wrote: »

I'd second the recommendation of the Beretta 1301 Comp. Like you I decided to try my hand a Target Shotgun earlier this year. First time out with this and score 290/300. Considering I'd never shot a slug at a target from 25m before, I thought it was quite good. Saying that, the gun done most of the work, the Beretta shoots slugs extremely well.

I have been thinking about one of these 1301s myself. Can you give an indication of how much your rig cost and who got it in for you ? TKS

NASRPC

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

BTW NASRPC organisation....Get your act together on this and put up some info on the website! You had FA info on this when I enquired off you this year and STILL have nothing on the website about these disciplines!:mad: Good job I was arsed to go trace some info down from the UK NRA,there would be many who wouldn't be...You want people coming into the sport,and you are the first port of call.
No info,no one will be applying,no growth.

Apologies for the lack of information on TSG on our website - we have had a shortage of volunteers for things like that. It will be updated once we have some more shoulders to the wheel.

We believe that shooting clubs are the first port of call for people coming into the sport.

NASRPC

PSXDupe

I think it was around €1200-1300 including the 9+1 extension tube. You have to buy the Beretta Rail for about €70 and then whatever optic you want to put on it. I have the Vortex Crossfire Red Dot on mine which cost about €150 ish. (https://www.tactical-kit.co.uk/vortex-crossfire-red-dot-2-moa-cf-rd1-27226-p.asp)

I got Fabian Connolly to get it in for me, if you wanted one I'm sure he'll order one for you.

If you want to see one in person let me know, I'm sure we could meet up at a range somewhere.

freddieot

Thanks lad, that's very helpful. I might take you up on the view offer if I decide to go for it.

The price seems reasonable enough based on what it is..

Uinseann_16

Are all the shotguns used in these comps smoothbore or rifled? or even just a rifled choke? Im assuming you could have both a rifled and smoothbore barrel since their the same caliber.

Hack12

Smoothbore. The slugs are rifled.

Hilltop got in a few Beretta 1301 Compacts and Remi 870's recently

Grizzly 45

If you mean the Brenneke slugs, they aren't. It's a common misconception.[And one of the trick questions on the German hunting exam,that got me.:D]

They work as "crush vanes,"if that makes sense if they are going out a tight choke on a barrel, and yes they can be fired out of European full choke too.
Yes,they do leave a spiral lead pattern going down the bore,that makes you think they spin with this rifling.But ,what is there to start off the spin? Shotgun slugs dont have the tight tolerances of rifle bullets nor do they engage with any rifling either in the barrel. Excepting "Rifled shotgun barrels". or paradox barrels.Hence the plain ol cylinder bore slug,isnt up to much past 100 meters/yards.

Uinseann_16

A video on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRPo19DWlZY
Like Grizz said the rifling on the slug doesnt make a differance.
How can you shoot a target compettion with slugs through smoothbore though? would they not be wildly inaccurate?

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Excepting "Rifled shotgun barrels". or paradox barrels.Hence the plain ol cylinder bore slug,isnt up to much past 100 meters/yards.

I got to handle a nice Holland and Holland paradox gun years ago, i couldn't afford it

PSXDupe

Uinseann_16 wrote: »

A video on this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRPo19DWlZY
Like Grizz said the rifling on the slug doesnt make a differance.
How can you shoot a target compettion with slugs through smoothbore though? would they not be wildly inaccurate?

I can tell you from personal experience, the Beretta 1301 shooting slugs, on a good day I can put 5 slugs in a 2" group @ 25m. I'm now expert shot either.

Grizzly 45

27 yards...Any shotgun should be doing that no problem with slugs.

Gleefulprinter

What brand of slugs should you be using? the 1301 looks good.

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

27 yards...Any shotgun should be doing that no problem with slugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNTyCcip-ks

NASRPC

The Match notice for the Lough Bo 2018 national has now been posted

Lough Bo 2018 - Match Notice

NASRPC wrote: »

Target Shotgun is a term that refers to a number of disciplines, all shot with slug ammunition on paper targets.

Nationally scores are separated into "manual" for pump actions and "semi" for semi auto.

Currently, Nationally graded matches are "Timed & Precision 1", "Multi Target", "Embassy Cup" and "100/200m Target Shotgun". I have no doubt more disciplines will be added, over time.

Internationally, they are administered by the ITSF (International Target Shotgun Federation), of which NASRPC (National Association of Sporting Rifle & Pistol Clubs) is the Irish member.

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In terms of firearms, you will need a firearm capable of holding 4 shots in either pump or semi - there has been no request, as yet, for manual (break action)

Any sights are permitted.

In terms of what are competitive firearms or ammunition - I will have to leave that to the experts.

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I can recommend attending the National in Lough Bo (Sligo) at the end of this month (match notice to be published this weekend) where you can see the disciplines shot, talk to some of the competitors and get some advice on how to get started.
Of course, you can shoot a few matches with the tools you already have, or try your hand at their clay layout, while you are there)

There is also a Club match, including Target Shotgun, in MTSC (Limerick) this weekend (www.mtsc.ie) - contact them for more info if planning to attend.