Does anyone breed PB lim with maternal traits

cacs

I am buying a new bull. I have been spending a fair bit of time on icbf bull finder and Irish Limousin society live herd book. I am fairly confident when I say milk has virtually been forgotten about in lim cattle. Most PB breeders are focused on beef full stop. Such a pity because I think they are one of best all round breeds. You will struggle to get a bull with daughters milk score over five. The vast majority have a negative score. Icbf is more concerned with amount of days a cow carries and not how much milk the bulls daughters will produce. But I suppose that’s another discussion at least there is something to go off

patsy_mccabe

If you want limousin bulls with milk, look for bulls sired by Bavardage (AGB) +10.2 for milk, Ronick Hawk (RKH) +6.1 for milk.
I've a young bull here and he's +7.5 for milk.

+5kgs for milk is in the top 1% of the lim breed.

cacs

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

If you want limousin bulls with milk, look for bulls sired by Bavardage (AGB) +10.2 for milk, Ronick Hawk (RKH) +6.1 for milk.
I've a young bull here and he's +7.5 for milk.

+5kgs for milk is in the top 1% of the lim breed.

The three sires I am looking for are AGB RHK and on Dit I notice he (on dit) has fell back in his milk score. My last bull was out of proctors cavalier and he was 4.4 kHz of milk. I know it seems crazy worrying about this when I only have 16 Commerical suckers but I want to breed replacements as think it is a mugs game buying in incalf or bulling heifers.

dodo mommy

When buying a bull I wouldn't read to much into the star ratings I would always buy private and have a good look at the mother of the bull as well.

patsy_mccabe

Worth remembering too that any milky cow will be putting it into the calf, so may not look the best herself. Was AI'ing a cow last week and the AI guy commented on how muscley she was. Muscley because she has feck all milk.

Never wrestle with pigs

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

If you want limousin bulls with milk, look for bulls sired by Bavardage (AGB) +10.2 for milk, Ronick Hawk (RKH) +6.1 for milk.
I've a young bull here and he's +7.5 for milk.

+5kgs for milk is in the top 1% of the lim breed.

You have any by AGB? I'd say he would work well on a smaller well muscled type? I bought a few of his straws during the week.

patsy_mccabe

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

You have any by AGB? I'd say he would work well on a smaller well muscled type? I bought a few of his straws during the week.

One calf on the ground. Out of , yep, a small muscley type cow. He looks promising enough. Time will tell.
I like those French bulls. If you look at the Sersia catalogues, they have a lot of bulls by Bavardage and Nuef. Have a Neuf cow here and she's a great type of cow.

squinn2912

We had a neuf Bull here and he bred fantastic calves with great ends but they’re mad next parish type cattle. Not keeping any of his heifers regardless of the milk score. I won’t even check it! Spoke to a breeder the day we sold him and he said neuf cows were great

Never wrestle with pigs

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

One calf on the ground. Out of , yep, a small muscley type cow. He looks promising enough. Time will tell.
I like those French bulls. If you look at the Sersia catalogues, they have a lot of bulls by Bavardage and Nuef. Have a Neuf cow here and she's a great type of cow.

One of the places I bought a heifer had a nuef cow, she was a solid tank with milk. I said I'd get a few of the bavardage straws as there can't be many left. You'd be hoping for heifers by him. Stick up a picture of your calf when he straightens up. Thanks

TPF2012

Never wrestle with pigs wrote:

One of the places I bought a heifer had a nuef cow, she was a solid tank with milk. I said I'd get a few of the bavardage straws as there can't be many left. You'd be hoping for heifers by him. Stick up a picture of your calf when he straightens up. Thanks

Knell, Bavardage son with PG looks decent. Have tried him on a few heifers and cows this year. Hope he's easy calving, should be according to his pedigree and figures.

RobinBanks

Taken from progressive genetics page

Cross Liam LM4591, a milky pedigree; Ronick Hawk from a milky Haltcliffe Vermount daughter (+6kgs)

Looks a nice bull in the book, maybe a wee bit short but breeding is impressive

patsy_mccabe

squinn2912 wrote: »

We had a neuf Bull here and he bred fantastic calves with great ends but they’re mad next parish type cattle. Not keeping any of his heifers regardless of the milk score. I won’t even check it! Spoke to a breeder the day we sold him and he said neuf cows were great

My Neuf cow here is 5 stars for docility, Thank God.

squinn2912

Possibly came from the other side. He was one horrible yoke to have about the place