Bus to Oranmore

Geuze

I have a few queries about transport from Galway city to Oranmore.

The 1.89 Leap fare to Oranmore applies only on the 404? Not the regular BE services?

Is outside the Oran Town Centre the only bus stop in Oranmore?

I read somewhere that the 404 service is to be doubled to half-hourly? Any truth to this?

I see that a weekly ticket is 21, monthly 74.


The taxsaver annual ticket is 777 gross, about 400 net after 49% relief.

That's about 8 pw over 50 weeks, or 33.33 net pm.

Mrs OBumble

Geuze wrote: »

I have a few queries about transport from Galway city to Oranmore.

The 1.89 Leap fare to Oranmore applies only on the 404? Not the regular BE services?

Is outside the Oran Town Centre the only bus stop in Oranmore?

I read somewhere that the 404 service is to be doubled to half-hourly? Any truth to this?

I see that a weekly ticket is 21, monthly 74.


The taxsaver annual ticket is 777 gross, about 400 net after 49% relief.

That's about 8 pw over 50 weeks, or 33.33 net pm.

The 1.89 Leap fare is supposed to apply on all city services for journeys over 7.5km. But in practise BE have only applied it on the Oranmore leg of the 404. Ours not to reason why!

There have been two bus stops used by the: outside OranTown Centre and opposite the astro-turf pitches. Someone on here said that a third one is being built, somewhere near Lidl. I'm not sure of the status of it as yet.

The frequency is doubling to every 30 minutes, from Sunday 16th. BE's announcement is here. My more impartial summary is here. This is a big win for public transport in Oranmore - and there's potential for it to increase again, IMHO. Also, Sunday and public holiday buses are starting earlier on all routes.

Lastly, yes, Taxsaver tickets do give incredible value - if your employer is willing to administer them. It's really quite unfair that they aren't available to workers in small companies or with unwilling employers.

Geuze

Just to confirm, the 74 pm / 777 pa gross price of the BE taxsaver ticket means you can travel on all city city buses, at any time, on any route, during the month?

It's a pity there isn't a taxsaver ticket that covers train to Oranmore and bus to Oranmore.

Mrs OBumble

Geuze wrote: »

Just to confirm, the 74 pm / 777 pa gross price of the BE taxsaver ticket means you can travel on all city city buses, at any time, on any route, during the month?

It's a pity there isn't a taxsaver ticket that covers train to Oranmore and bus to Oranmore.

Not quite: only the city buses run by BÉ, not the CD ones (routes 410, 411, 412, 414).

TerrorFirmer

The third stop is to be built outside Lidl in Oranmore, further down from the Astro-turf pitches - was supposed to be in place by the end of this month but not a whisper so far.

Would be great if it was an actual shelter and just just plain stop as the astro-turf location sorely lacks that.

what_traffic

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

The third stop is to be built outside Lidl in Oranmore, further down from the Astro-turf pitches - was supposed to be in place by the end of this month but not a whisper so far.

Would be great if it was an actual shelter and just just plain stop as the astro-turf location sorely lacks that.

True both are exposed spots. Will need one.

Geuze

Am I correct in thinking that the stop in the village opposite the pitches and the planned stop at Lidl are both only on the northern/eastern side of the road, i.e. they are used by buses heading from SuperValu, through village, going to Limerick road, to swing back to city?

what_traffic

The NEW 404 service - still does not stop at the Oranmore Railway Station ? Right?

Mrs OBumble

what_traffic wrote: »

The NEW 404 service - still does not stop at the Oranmore Railway Station ? Right?

It was a new service in May 2016. Now its just having a timetable change. (http://news.galwaytransport.info/2016/05/410-cancelled-route-404-newcastle-clinic-oranmore-extension.html)

No it doesn't.

No one's going to get off the bus and onto the Galway train where they would need to pay a second fare to arrive in the same place.

A few might use it if they were getting the train east - but they can just take the bus to town and get the train there.

Putting the station into the route would involve looping backwards to get to/from the Galway Clinic - which is a far more useful stop than the train station will ever be.

what_traffic

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

It was a new service in May 2016. Now its just having a timetable change. (http://news.galwaytransport.info/2016/05/410-cancelled-route-404-newcastle-clinic-oranmore-extension.html)

No it doesn't.

No one's going to get off the bus and onto the Galway train where they would need to pay a second fare to arrive in the same place.

A few might use it if they were getting the train east - but they can just take the bus to town and get the train there.

Putting the station into the route would involve looping backwards to get to/from the Galway Clinic - which is a far more useful stop than the train station will ever be.

Thanks, did not think it did from reviewing the timetable.
I think it would be useful if it did in the future. Makes a P&R out of the Railway Station and then service Roscam. Gives people more options. May change in the future once Arduan starts to be built up.

zell12

New welcome changes on 401, 402, 404, 405, 407 & 409 from 16 September
and 13 new Double Deck Buses!!!!
http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=3054&month=Sep

Mrs OBumble

what_traffic wrote: »

Thanks, did not think it did from reviewing the timetable.
I think it would be useful if it did in the future. Makes a P&R out of the Railway Station and then service Roscam. Gives people more options. May change in the future once Arduan starts to be built up.

You underestimate how popular the Galway Clinic is as a destination.

what_traffic

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

You underestimate how popular the Galway Clinic is as a destination.

Do I? If ya can point to where I said Galway Clinic was not a popular destination?
Am all ears.... :rolleyes:
Anyhow just to make it super clear for ya - it would be a very very bad idea to remove Galway Clinic from a bus route.
Why? The environment around it is extremely hostile on foot(if one was to use the #409 at Roscam) or bike. Galway Clinic is an island, in a sea of Dual Carraigeways and Multilane (Slip Roaded) Roundabouts.

Geuze

I note that some of the 404 bus stops are mis-named on the timetable.

Who do I tell about this?

Newcastle Rd Uppr (Opp NUIG West Gate)

This should read "Lower Newcastle (NUIG west gate)"

Lower Newcastle (G & L Stores)

This should read "Upper Newcastle (G&L Stores)"

Snipe avenue is the division between Lower and Upper Newcastle.

Geuze

Lower Newcastle (Moyola Park Entr)

Lwr Newcastle (Opp St Francis Home)

Lower Newcastle (Greenfields Entr)

These are all on Upper Newcastle.

Geuze

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

No one's going to get off the bus and onto the Galway train where they would need to pay a second fare to arrive in the same place.

Of course if we had multi-modal ticketing, then there would not be an extra fare.

Laviski

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

You underestimate how popular the Galway Clinic is as a destination.

I get why the station was built there butThe fact that the oranmore station doesn't have bus connectivity to oranmore is stupid, BE should extend the route and make the station it's terminus stop.

what_traffic

Laviski wrote: »

I get why the station was built there butThe fact that the oranmore station doesn't have bus connectivity to oranmore is stupid, BE should extend the route and make the station it's terminus stop.

That is not a bad idea at all.

Webbs

what_traffic wrote: »

That is not a bad idea at all.

In theory Id like to see the 404 stop at the train station but with the brilliant location of the train station :rolleyes: this is in the opposite direction to the way the current bus goes i.e from the maldron past town centre stop and into the village.
However, I'm not sure who it would serve?
People going in and out of City from oranmore would use the bus at its current stops wouldnt they?
Its too expensive to do train from City and bus into Oranmore and the bus does that anyway even if it does take a bit longer.
Dont want to sound negative about what should be a joined up bit of traffic infrastructure but result of bad planning and no joined up pricing for public transport would make that stop pretty redundant I would think

Laviski

it would service those that want to get into eyre square in 10 mins rather than the 30/50mins by bus car - thats if the traffic is decent.......
The train station should be called Ardaun as that is the population in reality its properly going to serve in the next 10 years, those in Oranmore still have a fair trek to get to the station, having a bus for those that don't have a car would at least give them the option. And yes it would be more expensive but time is money friend

But BE/IR need to have more joined up thinking in regards to price plans available with use of the leap card etc. If the price is right people will use it example being galway-limerick line. I would like to think this is the start of alternativive thinking rather than jack up the price every year for a crap service.

I’d run the route Oranmore-Station-Doughiska rd Roscam- Galway clinic- Dublin rd-city centre-Western stops and back.

Got the 9.20 train from Ballinasloe this morning, looked at Oranmore as it stopped. Car park full to capacity, not a single space available.

Webbs

Laviski wrote: »

it would service those that want to get into eyre square in 10 mins rather than the 30/50mins by bus car - thats if the traffic is decent.......

But BE/IR need to have more joined up thinking in regards to price plans available with use of the leap card etc. If the price is right people will use it example being galway-limerick line. I would like to think this is the start of alternativive thinking rather than jack up the price every year for a crap service.

I agree regarding time if there were frequent buses and trains. But there arent currently, so while it takes 30-50mins on a bus, by the time you got the bus to the train station then most times have a wait for the next train it would be more costly and probably around the same time.

If a service (bus/train combination) is not quicker than the current system then I cant see many people using it, so a bus stopping in the train station would currently have little value. (the Galway-Limerick train is perfect example in that it takes way too long for it to be useful)

what_traffic

Webbs wrote: »

In theory Id like to see the 404 stop at the train station but with the brilliant location of the train station :rolleyes: this is in the opposite direction to the way the current bus goes i.e from the maldron past town centre stop and into the village.
However, I'm not sure who it would serve?
People going in and out of City from oranmore would use the bus at its current stops wouldnt they?
Its too expensive to do train from City and bus into Oranmore and the bus does that anyway even if it does take a bit longer.
Dont want to sound negative about what should be a joined up bit of traffic infrastructure but result of bad planning and no joined up pricing for public transport would make that stop pretty redundant I would think

Its gives people multiple options - your focus seems to be all Oranmore into the City? People would use it for other functions. It is a common to see a bus services like this at similar train stations like this in Europe.

Geuze

Laviski wrote: »

But BE/IR need to have more joined up thinking in regards to price plans available with use of the leap card etc. If the price is right people will use it example being galway-limerick line. I would like to think this is the start of alternativive thinking rather than jack up the price every year for a crap service.

Yes, we need integrated ticketing and fares.

Same fare for any mode between two points.

Geuze

Another question:

what is the story with bringing bikes (non-folding) on the train from Oranmore to city and return?

biko

http://www.irishrail.ie/travel-information/bicycle-information

Bicycles on Commuter Trains
Bicycles are not permitted on Commuter before 10:00hrs and between the hours of 15:30hrs and 19:00hrs Monday to Friday. Customers can travel with bikes all day Saturday and Sunday.

silver campaign

Geuze wrote: »

Another question:

what is the story with bringing bikes (non-folding) on the train from Oranmore to city and return?

Don't think its a problem. I've often brought bikes on train from Oranmore heading east to Athlone. Just make sure you book ticket online and select bike availability. You can add a bike for free. There is usually space for a couple of unfolded bikes at the end of the last carriage.

Geuze

The GY-DUB trains are classified as Intercity, is that correct?

Geuze

silver campaign wrote: »

Don't think its a problem. I've often brought bikes on train from Oranmore heading east to Athlone. Just make sure you book ticket online and select bike availability. You can add a bike for free. There is usually space for a couple of unfolded bikes at the end of the last carriage.

I was thinking of a daily commuter, using an annual taxsaver ticket.

Would they have to book a bike for each day?

biko

Geuze wrote: »

The GY-DUB trains are classified as Intercity, is that correct?

Yes, intercity means "between cities".

Geuze

biko wrote: »

Yes, intercity means "between cities".

Yes, what I meant was that as they are intercity trains, does the IE rule apply?

The IE rule refers to "Commuter" trains.

Bicycles on Commuter Trains
Bicycles are not permitted on Commuter before 10:00hrs and between the hours of 15:30hrs and 19:00hrs Monday to Friday. Customers can travel with bikes all day Saturday and Sunday.


Are the GY-Oranmore trains classified as commuter trains?

what_traffic

biko wrote: »

Yes, intercity means "between cities".

Not in an Irish Rail Context though.
If you select the 16h30 from Ceannt to Oranmore today on the Irishrail Website
today it shows in the Journey Details.
"Intercity to Athenry"
A better one is the 17h50
it shows in the Journey Details.
"Intercity to Limerick Junction"

Limerick Junction is surronded by green fields. Nothing at all around it.

what_traffic

Newcastle to Oranmore bus service extended to include Oranhill
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https://connachttribune.ie/newcastle-to-oranmore-bus-service-extended-to-include-oranhill/
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The 404 is getting extended to Oranhill. Anybody know where the Terminus Stop will be there?

Selenophile

It's been two months since the news about 404 going to Oranhill. In the meantime, I couldn't find any other information about it.
Does anybody know anything more about this ? When it can be expected to start ?