Minimum wage for hairdressing apprenticeships

guitarless

As far as I can tell hairdressing apprenticeships are not formally recognised apprenticeships, and I'm having a hard time understanding what minimum wage rules apply.

I have heard of people being offered 300/week for what sounds like full time work, so I'm confused if this is legal or if there are special rules that apply for minimum wage?

davo10

guitarless wrote: »

As far as I can tell hairdressing apprenticeships are not formally recognised apprenticeships, and I'm having a hard time understanding what minimum wage rules apply.

I have heard of people being offered 300/week for what sounds like full time work, so I'm confused if this is legal or if there are special rules that apply for minimum wage?

€300 seems pretty good for hairdresser apprentice. Electricians don't even seem to get that.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/vocational_education_and_training/apprenticeships.html

2011

davo10 wrote: »

€300 seems pretty good for hairdresser apprentice. Electricians don't even seem to get that.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/vocational_education_and_training/apprenticeships.html

You are correct for 1st year electrical apprentices assuming that they get no travel or meal money. They get a good bump in pay when they go into second year though, see link. This assumes that the employer pays union rates, many smaller contractors don't.

I would have thought that €300 was very good for a hair dressing apprentice too.

Dtp1979

The wages set for apprentices are only recommendations while on the job. The employer can pay what they want. When the apprentice goes to collage they’ll get the going ‘rate’. I’m not sure if this applies to hairdressing

Mrs OBumble

2011 wrote: »

You are correct for 1st year electrical apprentices assuming that they get no travel or meal money. They get a good bump in pay when they go into second year though, see link. This assumes that the employer pays union rates, many smaller contractors don't.

I would have thought that €300 was very good for a hair dressing apprentice too.

Electricians have real apprenticeships registered thru FAS (whatever its called now).

Hairdressing has pretend apprenticeships not registered with any state body. Normal minimum wage rules apply - but remember that if you've no work experience since turning 18 the min-wage is lower than usual.

2011

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Hairdressing has pretend apprenticeships not registered with any state body.

So they only call them apprentices as an excuse to pay them badly.

but remember that if you've no work experience since turning 18 the min-wage is lower than usual.

I don't follow, please explain.

troyzer

2011 wrote: »

So they only call them apprentices as an excuse to pay them badly.



I don't follow, please explain.

The minimum wage depends on your age and experience.


http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/pay_and_employment/pay_inc_min_wage.html:

Rates on or after 1 January 2018
Minimum hourly rate of pay % of minimum wage
Experienced adult worker €9.55 100%
Aged under 18 €6.69 70%
First year from date of first employment aged over 18 €7.64 80%
Second year from date of first employment aged over 18 €8.60 90%
Employee aged over 18, in structured training during working hours
1st one-third period €7.16 75%
2nd one-third period €7.64 80%
3rd one-third period €8.60 90%

.red.

My wife trained as a hairdresser years ago, between training/classes in the evening and work on the floor she used to average about 55/60 hours a week and got paid the total amount of £35 for it in first year. Went to £50 in second.
Absolutely horrible working conditions, expect to be called back early from breaks, even if you haven't finished eating so you could do a 12hr shift with a few 10min breaks. I certainly wouldn't recommend it to my kids.
She went into 4th year just as the minimum wage came in so got a huge jump in wages.
Count yourself lucky minimum wage is in.

2011

.red. wrote: »

Count yourself lucky minimum wage is in.

Or maybe get out of hairdressing altogether. It seems to be a road to horrendous wages for a lifetime.

guitarless

Thanks for the info everyone. Sounds like it won't look up too much in the future. I forgot to mention this girl has studied hairdressing, but has no experience in Ireland. Sounds like the apprenticeship will be a good way for her to get ripped off just to get some experience. Are there any other avenues into it or do people typically have to follow this route to get experience on the floor?

davo10

guitarless wrote: »

Thanks for the info everyone. Sounds like it won't look up too much in the future. I forgot to mention this girl has studied hairdressing, but has no experience in Ireland. Sounds like the apprenticeship will be a good way for her to get ripped off just to get some experience. Are there any other avenues into it or do people typically have to follow this route to get experience on the floor?

Your friend could just apply for hairdressers jobs if she is already qualified,or open her own salon.

BorneTobyWilde

Topless hairdressers would be on 300 a day, depends on size of establishment. A little barber shop would be paying less than a large saloon.

davo10

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Topless hairdressers would be on 300 a day, depends on size of establishment. A little barber shop would be paying less than a large saloon.

I'd say topless ones would earn a heck of a lot more than €300.

.red.

guitarless wrote: »

Thanks for the info everyone. Sounds like it won't look up too much in the future. I forgot to mention this girl has studied hairdressing, but has no experience in Ireland. Sounds like the apprenticeship will be a good way for her to get ripped off just to get some experience. Are there any other avenues into it or do people typically have to follow this route to get experience on the floor?

Tell her apply for jobs looking for all years of apprentice and go talk to the salon. They might decide she can start as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th year, depending on experience.