2019 Mercedes ECQ

80sDiesel

https://youtu.be/G7pHOLSq2cQ
First video review.

ted1

Why is the bonnet space so big? You’d fit a big ICE in there

80sDiesel

ted1 wrote: »

Why is the bonnet space so big? You’d fit a big ICE in there

They do. The GLC.

1800 kg towing capacity is sweet. Will be interisting so see what the actual range will be. The initial estimate is 330 km which is ok but not great for 80 kWh net capacity.

KCross

samih wrote: »

1800 kg towing capacity is sweet. Will be interisting so see what the actual range will be. The initial estimate is 330 km which is ok but not great for 80 kWh net capacity.

Thats definitely a shot over the bow of the Model X as I think its the only other EV rated to tow.

Personally I dont find the look of the EQC that nice (inside or out). I'm sure its well built and sublime to drive but the looks are a bit meh, imo.



80sdiesel.... can you fix the thread title at all?.... it should be EQC not ECQ!

80sDiesel

KCross wrote: »

samih wrote: »

1800 kg towing capacity is sweet. Will be interisting so see what the actual range will be. The initial estimate is 330 km which is ok but not great for 80 kWh net capacity.

Thats definitely a shot over the bow of the Model X as I think its the only other EV rated to tow.

Personally I dont find the look of the EQC that nice (inside or out). I'm sure its well built and sublime to drive but the looks are a bit meh, imo.



80sdiesel.... can you fix the thread title at all?.... it should be EQC not ECQ!

Ha ! I hate mercedes naming conventions these days. For some reason i cant get around the glc gle gla cla ...... Whatever happened to A,B,C,D . 
Don't think i can change the title.
Read some reviews and basically they are all saying that the range is poor, weight is high, and it really needs to be a price point below the Audi E-Tron to have a success. More of a fill-gap that a real game changer.
I dont mind the outside. But not a fan of the dashlayout. Prefer the Audi E-Tron interior..

RandomAccess

This one is an actual driving preview/review of the camouflaged car.
Johnny from Fully Charged does a good job.
https://youtu.be/Y7ZjkoJgXWk


And here's a video with some technical info and visuals of the drivetrain layout.
https://youtu.be/gK7yCY5Ks7U

Looking forward to a full review by Autogefuhl.

I think Mercedes will clean up with these.

Brera

Straight off I can’t see how Mercedes think this will be good enough to compete.

It’s heavier than Model X, has less range and looks it will only sell in the U.K. for about 5 or 6 thousand pounds less. It will have 110KW D.C. charging while the audi e Tron will come with 150kw capability at launch.

There does seem to be some confusion over the actual specs but it look it will have a real world range of about 300km

Maybe it will be more impressive when we can actually get it out on the road. The setup of the two motors is certainly interesting and maybe they have worked exceptionally hard on getting the whole package to work. If they haven’t then they are serious trouble.

It would have been a great idea for them to launch a GLC sized vehicle at around the same price with a higher range before Tesla launches the model Y

gally74

Brera wrote: »

Straight off I can’t see how Mercedes think this will be good enough to compete.

It’s heavier than Model X, has less range and looks it will only sell in the U.K. for about 5 or 6 thousand pounds less. It will have 110KW D.C. charging while the audi e Tron will come with 150kw capability at launch.

There does seem to be some confusion over the actual specs but it look it will have a real world range of about 300km

Maybe it will be more impressive when we can actually get it out on the road. The setup of the two motors is certainly interesting and maybe they have worked exceptionally hard on getting the whole package to work. If they haven’t then they are serious trouble.

It would have been a great idea for them to launch a GLC sized vehicle at around the same price with a higher range before Tesla launches the model Y

It's a merc, many will just buy it because of that,

Build quality, support and the badge, will be a success

Brera

gally74 wrote: »

It's a merc, many will just buy it because of that,

Build quality, support and the badge, will be a success

I have no doubt it will sell because of the badge and they do seem to have put a lot of work into being able to produce it in large numbers.

However I still feel though they have missed a chance to really create something to take on Tesla.

The Model S is already outselling the S Class in Europe

It's a better effort than the B-Class anyway, maybe it will be amazing in flesh. It's strange decision for a German company to go for a 7.4 kW single phase charging as 16 A three phase is so prevalent "out there". Merc has withdrawn the "200 mile" range prediction and now quote 450 km NEDC, which still doesn't sound too hot. The L40 is 378 NEDC and in reality the range is less than 250 km.

Sabre Man

So how much do you think it will cost?

80sDiesel

Sabre Man wrote: »

So how much do you think it will cost?

No word as yet but around starting around 55 sterling.

Brera

Interesting video here with some information on the drivetrain and battery

https://youtu.be/HDrv4qMpClw

It’s intersting that are going with the pouch style battery. Jaguar did the same with the I-pace but are now going to be switching to the cylindrical type.

There still seems to be so much confusion on the range and the price. Some reports saying it will be only a few thousand more than a GLC. If that’s true and it can offer decent range then it may not be a bad offering.

unkel

Shiiiiieeeeeeeeeet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gEm-yNS6ws

ELM327

Bjorn has a couple of videos up.
But this is a non starter.

If you want the best electric SUV, buy a model X, it's better.
If you want the best electric SUV from a premium marque, buy the etron, it's miles better

Can't see this doing well.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

Can't see this doing well.

I watched both parts of his road trip and I can't see how you came to that conclusion.

It seems an excellent EV. Thirsty (like e-Tron) but he had pretty bad weather. The most comfortable of all the AWD luxury EVs (Model X, e-Tron, iPace and ECQ), and the quietest. Well specced.

Space in the rear was not great and the transmission tunnel (why?) did not help either. And having only micro USB is just silly. Again, why Mercedes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMKafRoW7gA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V1U2PjuFxM

Lumen

unkel wrote: »

And having only micro USB is just silly. Again, why Mercedes?

USB-C, no?

unkel

Lumen wrote: »

USB-C, no?

He called them micro USB, I took him at face value. But I just went over it again and zoomed in:



So it looks like indeed it is USB-C

Just as bad really. The charge end of almost all USB cables for phones and devices is standard size USB-A.

Lumen

It's better as you can plug in either way round.

For older devices just keep a conversion plug or cable in the car. No big deal.

I wouldn't want a new car with an old USB standard. My current phone and laptop are both USB C, so I only need to bring a single charger when traveling, and the laptop can be charged via any of the ports, on either side. It's great.

Davy

unkel wrote: »

Just as bad really. The charge end of almost all USB cables for phones and devices is standard size USB-A.

From now on it wont be though. Even if Apple keep lightning for the device end, it will be USB-C at the adaptor end.
This wont be out till this time next year? so it makes sense to go with the prevailing type in my opinion.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

I watched both parts of his road trip and I can't see how you came to that conclusion.

It seems an excellent EV. Thirsty (like e-Tron) but he had pretty bad weather. The most comfortable of all the AWD luxury EVs (Model X, e-Tron, iPace and ECQ), and the quietest. Well specced.

Space in the rear was not great and the transmission tunnel (why?) did not help either. And having only micro USB is just silly. Again, why Mercedes?

Like yourself I watched both parts that are up, and most of the other EQC videos. Since my OM606 powered mercedes I've always been a fan of mercedes and I love SUVs so I was interested in this. For me it's worse than ETron, which is worse than the model X


It is on a level with iPace. Slow CCS charging only 100kW, cramped in the back, additionally to that the screen was not responsive and I didnt see any apple carplay/android auto which is a must unless you have live google maps as your in car satnav. It was cramped
Also there were concerns about BMS as he kept stopping at >50% SOC most times as he wasn't confident in the BMS despite the car having 6k km on the clock, easily enough time to "bed in". Teslas take 100km to bed in and enable autopilot.


To be honest this series shows exactly what existing OEM are doing wrong for EV. Crap in car screens, slow charging, cramped, no USB socket, 12v in the back, unreliable GOM as opposed to Tesla method of consistent coefficient.


The only premium non Tesla EV that I would currently even give a second thought to is the etron. And that's only because it looks like a Q7 and because it charges fast with less tapering.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

He called them micro USB, I took him at face value. But I just went over it again and zoomed in:



So it looks like indeed it is USB-C

Just as bad really. The charge end of almost all USB cables for phones and devices is standard size USB-A.

But he subtitled the video saying "usb c"


A silly decision IMO. I have the latest iphone and it came with only a lightning to standard USB cable. What tech comes without a standard USB connector on the non phone end??

Lumen

USB C is the new standard. My Pixel 3a came with a cable that is USB C at both ends.

It's a bizarre criticism of a car. Just buy a new cable FFS.

Look at the weird hacks and third party hubs Model 3 owners are using to get proper USB connectivity in their cars.

ELM327

Lumen wrote: »

USB C is the new standard. My Pixel 3a came with a cable that is USB C at both ends.

It's a bizarre criticism of a car. Just buy a new cable FFS.

Look at the weird hacks and third party hubs Model 3 owners are using to get proper USB connectivity in their cars.

Hardly bizarre, if I'm paying a chunk of change for a car I want it to be connective.


Model 3 comes with USB connections for both Android and Iphone prewired and you can connect to the car with bluetooth. I don't see the relation between that and a car that only has USB C which my new 1k iphone does not use.

ethernet

ELM327 wrote: »

Hardly bizarre, if I'm paying a chunk of change for a car I want it to be connective.


Model 3 comes with USB connections for both Android and Iphone prewired and you can connect to the car with bluetooth. I don't see the relation between that and a car that only has USB C which my new 1k iphone does not use.

USB-C is the new standard. Much like CCS (as we're repeatedly reminded here). You can get a USB-C to Lightning cable. Problem solved. The iPhone will likely move to USB-C next year anyway.

ELM327

... or just not buy a mercedes eqc. Problem solved :P :P

PS: It's nothing like CCS , CCS is ubiquitous and better. I have no devices (and I'm a geek) that run on usb C

Dont be at yourself

Any idea of Irish prices for this? A lot easier on the eye than the Model X.

ELM327

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Any idea of Irish prices for this? A lot easier on the eye than the Model X.

Estimated around €90k, similar to model X


https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/debut-mercedes-ev-due-here-in-october-priced-around-90000-38135948.html

Mike9832

ELM327 wrote: »

Estimated around €90k, similar to model X


https://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/debut-mercedes-ev-due-here-in-october-priced-around-90000-38135948.html

It's a bit much for GLC size, they start at €47,000 for a 2.2l diesel

They should have went a segment up in zize at that pricepoint, the weight would have been absurd though

EQC is not the biggest SUV and weights 2,500kg, insane

Old diesel

It's underwhelming.....

Why would I buy this over a Tesla??????.

What's the USP??????.

This is to Merc what the eGolf was originally to VW - a dip into the EV pool.

eGolf a better first attempt though in terms of competitiveness Vs rivals though.

krissovo

Mercedes clearly needed a large enough platform to pack all the goods in, the B class was an epic fail even with Tesla's help and was wrong platform (to small) to start with.

They have also got this platform wrong, Mercedes are shoite at SUV's, they should follow Tesla's proven model and start with a E/S Class platform that would give them the space and a relatively aerodynamic shape to test and then roll up to the fleet.

Saying that after owning a 7 Mercedes cars over the last 20 years and used to paying over the odds for a car for the quality, the cabin looks familiar, I can imagine the handling and ride, the solid clunk closing the door, smell of the leather, etc etc....... I can overlook the imperfections of charging, range, efficiency, you name it and would happily own the ECQ as it would be more than capable for my requirements.

Tesla will be getting my money this time around, I have a feeling in 2/3 years time Mercedes might win me back once the tech hits the e platform.

unkel

krissovo wrote: »

after owning a 7 Mercedes cars over the last 20 years and used to paying over the odds for a car for the quality, the cabin looks familiar, I can imagine the handling and ride, the solid clunk closing the door, smell of the leather, etc etc....... I can overlook the imperfections of charging, range, efficiency, you name it and would happily own the ECQ as it would be more than capable for my requirements.

Exactly the target market for the car. I can't see it selling in much lower numbers here in Europe than the other 3. But we'll have to see. After the recent massive price drop, the Model X is the best value for money imho.

Lumen

krissovo wrote: »

I can overlook the imperfections of charging, range, efficiency, you name it and would happily own the ECQ as it would be more than capable for my requirements.

I can understand some of that but range anxiety isn't a very Mercedes quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EfKlY61yw8

Old diesel

Lumen wrote: »

I can understand some of that but range anxiety isn't a very Mercedes quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EfKlY61yw8

Bjorn put up a subsequent video to explain that the test EQC had a faulty battery module .

krissovo

Lumen wrote: »

I can understand some of that but range anxiety isn't a very Mercedes quality.

I just sold a CLS 63 - Trust me Mercedes have a history of range anxiety in some of their cars

mrcheez

Lumen wrote: »

I can understand some of that but range anxiety isn't a very Mercedes quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EfKlY61yw8

using a phone AND camera while driving! X)

unkel

1000km test in EQC (80kWh)

11.5 hours. Just beat Ioniq (28kWh) (12 hours)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB2mLgFMU9I

ELM327

That's pretty crap tbh

Lumen

ELM327 wrote: »

That's pretty crap tbh

Why and compared to what?

ELM327

It's only 30 mins faster than a car with less than 1/3 of the battery, and is nearly 2 hours behind the model 3

Old diesel

Lumen wrote: »

ELM327 wrote: »

That's pretty crap tbh

Why and compared to what?

The 6 year old Model S that beat it?????.

The 28 kwh Hyundai that was only 45 mins behind?????.

The Model 3 that 1 hr and 20 mins faster BEFORE 200 kw update.

The Merc isnt THAT bad to be fair .

But it's compromised on 1000 km test by efficiency and 107 kw charging .

Efficiency looks the big one - it charges faster then Ioniq in terms of 100 kw on Merc and 60 to 70 kw on Ioniq .

It's Efficiency that makes Hyundai so good in that the amount of energy it needs to put back in battery is reduced on trip.

Heavy weight and SUV shape is a killer .

Old diesel

If it's the same Model S I'm thinking off - that car wasn't even in perfect shape either .

Pity we don't have a 1000 km time for the new red Model S Bjorn had just before the Model 3 . Think he called that one Millinium Falcon.

Lumen

Well I think Bjorn did a 1000km "race" between a Kona and a Model X and they both took 14 hours. I'm not sure the conditions were comparable to his other 1000km tests though.

But if so, that would mean the EQC did it 2.5 hours quicker than those.

Saying that, I'm not sure how realistic these tests are for Irish buyers. It seems like having to make more stops is a lot more hassle for a journey where there aren't fast chargers everywhere, i.e. Ireland.

unkel

Lumen wrote: »

Saying that, I'm not sure how realistic these tests are for Irish buyers.

Not realistic in Ireland until there are a lot more fast chargers. Here in Ireland last year in Ioniq, I wouldn't take my car beyond its range with the family on board. From now on I will, provided that there are Ionity chargers on my route.

In the Netherlands by contrast, you could just drive around at 130km/h, totally without range anxiety and when the low range warning comes on, just pull into the next fast charger. Exact same as petrol / diesel has always been for all of us

World of difference. It proves that you don't need more than 28kWh in a family EV even for long distance driving as long as the car charges fast and the network is there.

JPA

I don't think his 1000km tests are very controlled. ie he might take different routes, hitting traffic etc.
His range tests are more reliable.

But he seems to really like the EQC in general.

Old diesel

The tests aren't full transferable to Ireland but they illustrate a potential level of ability from EVs that's beyond general Irish perception.

Joe and Mary who drive an Avensis think they can't drive to Dublin in an EV.

Tests like these imply that Irish drivers could work very well with EVs on their shorter then these tests trips .

But that you need good infrastructure - and that infrastructure is achievable over next few years .

unkel

JPA wrote: »

I don't think his 1000km tests are very controlled.

They aren't. They are different for each car depending on their range, available charge points, the route he is taking (in different countries!) etc. It's not a scientific approach. But I feel it does have some merit comparing EVs this way.

traco

Not sure if it was mentioned but there was one on the M50 on Monday morning, stuck in traffic like us all.