Area Analysis

KBD85

Let's say you are unfamiliar with the various areas in Dublin and you could not physically visit the areas.

You are asked to rank these 4 areas in terms of the wealth of their residents and even better try to come up with an average income figure or where they lie on an 'average income' line.

How do you do it?

Dun Laoghaire
Crumlin
Howth
Finglas

(the census does not collect personal income information).

troyzer

KBD85 wrote: »

Let's say you are unfamiliar with the various areas in Dublin and you could not physically visit the areas.

You are asked to rank these 4 areas in terms of the wealth of their residents and even better try to come up with an average income figure or where they lie on an 'average income' line.

How do you do it?

Dun Laoghaire
Crumlin
Howth
Finglas

(the census does not collect personal income information).

You wouldn't be able to get that granular.

https://www.cso.ie/en/census/census2016reports/interactivemaps/

Eg. : http://census.cso.ie/sapmap2016/Results.aspx?Geog_Type=SA2017&Geog_Code=4c07d11e-39f5-851d-e053-ca3ca8c0ca7f

troyzer

Tow wrote: »

https://www.cso.ie/en/census/census2016reports/interactivemaps/

Eg. : http://census.cso.ie/sapmap2016/Results.aspx?Geog_Type=SA2017&Geog_Code=4c07d11e-39f5-851d-e053-ca3ca8c0ca7f

None of these would help the OP.

odyssey06

Even a "small area" study like this doesn't have it:
http://www.thejournal.ie/rich-dublin-map-2156631-Jun2015/
https://www.pobal.ie/app/uploads/2018/06/The-2016-Pobal-HP-Deprivation-Index-Introduction-07.pdf

You'd have to use something indirect, like establish a ratio of income to house prices and use house prices for the areas.

Even then, there is no definition of any Dublin areas, unlike say postcodes.

troyzer

In any event:

1) Howth
2) Dún Laoghaire
3) Crumlin
4) Finglas

KBD85

troyzer wrote: »

In any event:

1) Howth
2) Dún Laoghaire
3) Crumlin
4) Finglas

How did you decide on that ranking?:)

troyzer

KBD85 wrote: »

How did you decide on that ranking?:)

Experience. The Pobal viewer seems to confirm this, at least in terms of deprivation. You could possibly swap Howth and Dún Laoghaire.

KBD85

odyssey06 wrote: »

Even a "small area" study like this doesn't have it:
http://www.thejournal.ie/rich-dublin-map-2156631-Jun2015/
https://www.pobal.ie/app/uploads/2018/06/The-2016-Pobal-HP-Deprivation-Index-Introduction-07.pdf

You'd have to use something indirect, like establish a ratio of income to house prices and use house prices for the areas.

Even then, there is no definition of any Dublin areas, unlike say postcodes.

Where would I get the income figure to calculate the ratio?

Why is Glasnevin more expensive per square foot than Finglas when they are beside eachother?

It's a tricky one to try to classify an area in this regard.

KBD85

troyzer wrote: »

KBD85 wrote: »

How did you decide on that ranking?:)

Experience. The Póbal viewer seems to confirm this, at least in terms of deprivation. You could possibly swap Howth and Dún Laoghaire.

Ah but you gained this experience from going to these places. That's against the rules of the game:)

KBD85

I wonder what social welfare figures would be available for each individual office and how they could be used based on the population of the area it serves as one method to get an understanding of an area.

KBD85

troyzer wrote: »

KBD85 wrote: »

How did you decide on that ranking?:)

Experience. The Póbal viewer seems to confirm this, at least in terms of deprivation. You could possibly swap Howth and Dún Laoghaire.

The aim is to come up with a methodology, it's not a multiple choice question to get 2 points in the exam:)

PhoenixParker

The census does have socio-economic information that would be relevant. Age profile, household composition, employment vs unemployment, house quality, internet access, education levels.

You could use those as proxies to estimate how they rank vs an average.

KBD85

I'm going to get stuck into that this weekend. There is a lot of useful information there that would allow a good educated guess.

odyssey06

KBD85 wrote: »

Where would I get the income figure to calculate the ratio?

The Central Bank Limit is 3.5, as good as any. You can get the house prices from public information or property price register.

Why is Glasnevin more expensive per square foot than Finglas when they are beside eachother?

I think that's for another thread e.g.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057906098

It's a tricky one to try to classify an area in this regard.

There is no definition anywhere of Finglas, visiting it won't help and it's not written down anywhere.

To be honest, it's a pretty stupid question!
The POBAL information is by far the best available and it can't answer it ergo it's unanswerable.

troyzer

There's no way of being scientific. But if I were plonked in a brand new city in another country and was looking for a place to live the first thing I would do is look at where the coast is (if it's coastal). Coastal areas are always more affluent as a general rule and you can exclude the outliers by looking at property values and crime figures.

You're looking for income data which is extremely specific and personally I'd be quite annoyed if my income was publicly available as a tool to decide which areas are better than others.

KBD85

That's not my intended use at all. I know Dublin very well. It's for a marketing strategy so money is not wasted targeting the wrong demographic and as an educational study I can adapt to other areas in Ireland and the UK.

No individual is ever identified in these things, just averages at best. There is no database in the world available to the public that says Johnny Murphy who works as a cashier in Tesco and lives at 11 Seaview, Howth earned €X in 2017.

troyzer

Close the duplicate post in the economics forum. You're not allowed to spam the same topic across multiple forums.

KBD85

Sure thing boss, I'll get right on that.

The data was there when initially released. But here is a less detailed version: http://airo.maynoothuniversity.ie/Instant_Atlas/Mapping Resources/AIRO Census Mapping/Regional/Eastern and Midlands/atlas.html?geog=1&indicator=i966&date=2011&prop_legendClassifier=customClassifier&pal_defaultPaletteId=Sequential%20Blue%20Yellow&pal_defaultSchemeId=categoricScheme1&pal_noClasses=5&bbox=-794880.6310982944%2C6957102.741189437%2C-622444.1832714091%2C7107189.884046581

PhoenixParker

These are the Stats from the Census you need:

https://www.cso.ie/en/census/census2016reports/census2016smallareapopulationstatistics/

I'd suggest using R to manipulate/calculate and map them up.

You can probably somewhat cross reference it against the household budget survey regional data:

https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Database/eirestat/Household%20Budget%20Survey%202015%20to%202016/Household%20Budget%20Survey%202015%20to%202016_statbank.asp?SP=Household%20Budget%20Survey%202015%20to%202016&Planguage=0