Creative Commuter Parking

phatony

HI,

Would it be legal to park a car on the grass verge at this location in Sandyford, past the speed limit sign?

The road markings between lane one and two ban merging, therefore it is not a junction. Nearest junction is at the traffic lights down the road.

There are no coloured lines on the left hand side of the roadway.

It is not a grass margin - as this is defines as the grass between a footpath and a road, there is no footpath.

Possible to park without obstructing roadsigns.

On the opposite side of the carriage way there is a hardshoulder with clearway, but nothing on this side.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.2751974,-6.2209585,3a,75y,314.84h,86.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smA3KCH6Jw0RqI0WP39Y9eA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Is there a rule I haven't thought of?

Thanks

Charles Babbage

It isn't part of the road, you might as well park here, it is wider.

TheQuietFella

Is there a pedestrian crossing near the area you are considering?

phatony

Charles Babbage wrote: »

It isn't part of the road, you might as well park here, it is wider.

The continous yellow line would be a problem. But i like your thinking, there is something similar without issues on the opposite side of the motorway just a minute away.

Stanford

It could be argued that one needs to cross two solid continuous lines to pull on to the carriageway and that there is no safe egress from a parked vehicle on the driver's side

phatony

Stanford wrote: »

It could be argued that one needs to cross two solid continuous lines to pull on to the carriageway and that there is no safe egress from a parked vehicle on the driver's side

There are no lines between the left lane and the verge?

punisher5112

Check local council bye laws.

It would be illegal to do so just like it is outside most houses but a blind eye is turned.

Stanford

phatony wrote: »

There are no lines between the left lane and the verge?

And on the driver's side?

AndrewJRenko

phatony wrote: »

Is there a rule I haven't thought of?

Possibly the penalty points offence of dangerous parking? There's no safe route for you to get anywhere after parking your car there.

phatony wrote: »

But i like your thinking

Why? Is it a good thing for the community to have every green space turned into a car park?

phatony

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Possibly the penalty points offence of dangerous parking? There's no safe route for you to get anywhere after parking your car there.


There is, walk north along the verge. The verge is very wide.
It is not illegal to walk along a road without a footpath.

magicbastarder

phatony wrote: »

Is there a rule I haven't thought of?

it's not a rule, but it's basically littering, but with cars.

phatony

Stanford wrote: »

And on the driver's side?

Perhaps you have misunderstood what I am proposing.
I arrive in lane one. There is no line between lane one and the verge to the left.
When parked on the grass there is ample room between the car and lane 1. Leaving the grass with the car, rejoining lane one, does not entail crossing any lines whatsoever. you can't cross from lane 1 into lane 2 or 3, but that is not part of what I am proposing.

Stanford

Do you always enter your car via the offset side?

CeilingFly

You can't park opposite an unbroken white line.

You can't park on grass margin.

Here's the full details

PART II Prohibitions, Restrictions, Requirements and Conditions relating to the Parking of Vehicles on Public Roads



Places where parking is prohibited at all times
5. A vehicle shall not, at any time be parked on a public road—

(a) on that side of a stretch of roadway along the edge of which roadway markings consisting of two parallel continuous yellow lines of the type authorised by and described in article 12 (1) (ii) (inserted by the Regulations of 1969) of the Regulations of 1962 are provided,

(b) where traffic sign number 213 authorised by the Regulations of 1962 is not accompanied by an authorised information plate indicating the days and hours when parking is prohibited, on the stretch of roadway to which that sign relates,

(c) at a road junction or within 5 metres of the junction, (except on a road inset, at a disc parking place, in a loading bay or on a stretch of roadway to which sign number 212, authorised by the Regulations of 1962, relates),

(d) on a stretch of roadway having less than three traffic lanes and having along its centre one or more than one authorised continuous white line,

(e) at an appointed stand for street service vehicles, unless the vehicle is a small public service vehicle,

(f) in any place, position or manner that will result in the vehicle obstructing, delaying or interfering with the entrance to or the exit from a fire brigade station or an ambulance station,

(g) in any place, position or manner that will result in the vehicle obstructing an entrance for vehicles to premises, except when the occupier of such premises consents,

(h) on a pedestrian crossing, or at pedestrian lights, or within 15 metres (on the approach side), or 5 metres (on the side other than the approach side), of a pedestrian crossing or pedestrian lights or on any part of a pedestrian crossing complex,

(i) either wholly or partly on a footway, a grass margin or a median strip,

AndrewJRenko

phatony wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Possibly the penalty points offence of dangerous parking? There's no safe route for you to get anywhere after parking your car there.

There is, walk north along the verge. The verge is very wide.
It is not illegal to walk along a road without a footpath.

What kind of condition do you think the grass margin will be in after you've been parking there for a week, and you've been followed by a few other 'cute hoors' who think parking laws don't apply to them? How are you going to get safely past the other cars also parked on verge, with the traffic coming so close and so fast nearby? How are you going to get into and out of the parking space without impacting traffic on a fast road?

It's just silly, and thanks to CeilingFly for confirming that it is illegal.

magicbastarder

his point is that a grass margin is legally defined as being along a footway, of which there are none in the above location.

Addle

Is it safe to walk to and from your car?

punisher5112

There are 24hr clearway signs.

CeilingFly

magicbastarder wrote: »

his point is that a grass margin is legally defined as being along a footway, of which there are none in the above location.

i) either wholly or partly on a footway, a grass margin or a median strip

I think that covers everything.

magicbastarder

"grass margin" means that portion of a public road situated on either side of a footway and which is provided for the growing of grass, trees or shrubbery of any kind;

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/182/made/en/print
it's not a footway
it's not a grass margin
is it a median strip?

Rackstar

Don’t forget to stick the hazard lights on

site_owner

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1993/act/14/section/2/enacted/en/html
“footway” means that portion of any road associated with a roadway which is provided primarily for use by pedestrians;

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1964/si/294/made/en/print
15.—(1) A driver shall not drive wholly or partly along or across a footway.