Nct new classifications

michael jay

Has anyone heard the radio ad about the new nct classifications, you can fail dangerously for having tyres less than the legal depth and have to get it towed away.

Is this a way to get more money or are they doing a good job?

The Backwards Man

100% a good thing.

Walk around any carpark, the amount of tyres in poor condition is absolutely shocking.

OldMrBrennan83

A good idea on the face of it but unfortunately it'll be used to gouge, as everything here is.

michael jay

i just mean in general , i was told that someone had a hole in there boot somewhere and they told them they had to be towed away as well, seeing as they drove there and the rest of the car was fine, it may be a bit excessive

mickuhaha

Already a post on this.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057898621/1/#post107707758

wonski

They do this. My colleagues car got the sticker for tire. Not sure how bad it was.

Sure he drove away regardless, but replaced the tire same day.

Result.

Irish Steve

Was at a local NCT centre the other evening, and didn't get into the argument as it could have become even more heated than it already was. There was an individual there who knew that his car was going to fail as it needed 3 tyres, but he was putting it in to "find out what else had to be done". His attitude when someone said that it might end up having to be trailered away was hostile in the extreme, he started mouthing off and effectively threatening that he'd sort out anyone trying to stop him driving away after the test.

I found myself hoping that (as long as I wasn't still there in the queue) he did actually get a fail dangerous, in that it might just serve to emphasise that the NCT test is not intended to be a replacement for adequate maintenance, it's a back stop to enforce a minimum standard that will also catch the vehicles that are NOT being adequately maintained, and like it or not, there are still a significant number of vehicles on the road that should not be being used.

I saw a car recently where the brake discs were so badly worn (now also a fail dangerous) that when the pad also wore out and resulted in metal to metal, it wasn't long before the pad carrier was so thin that it was able to pass between the carrier and the disc, so the caliper then became the point of contact with the disc. Not for long, the piston was now so far out of the caliper body, the seals lost contact with the body of the caliper, so there was then nothing stopping the brake fluid from escaping. Fortunately for the driver, the brake system was dual cylinder, if it hadn't been, the result would have been total brake failure due to fluid loss.

I don't have a problem with the NCT service being allowed to put vehicles that are potential death traps off the road until they are correctly repaired, I was looking at the manual that determines the standards, and didn't find anything unreasonable in the "fail dangerous" categories, and in the same way, I don't have a problem with the other change that means they are not issuing the Pass certificate for the cases where there's a fail minor that needs rectification until it's been re presented with the defects rectified.

Most of these are not an additional cost, (other than the owner's time) as it's only a visual inspection to prove that the defect has been dealt with, unless another partial test that needs the test lane equipment is required.

Look at it this way, in the total cost of ownership and use of a vehicle, is a fraction over €1 a week really too much to pay to ensure that the vehicles being used on the roads meet a minimum standard? It's probably one of the lowest cost parts of running a car when compared to all the other costs, and it has made a difference, we don't see the heaps of scrap that used to be on the road in the late 80's any more, and just as well, as some of them were death traps on wheels.

Inviere

I wouldn’t fancy working behind the counter when this comes in

swarlb

Inviere wrote: »

I wouldn’t fancy working behind the counter when this comes in

It will not matter in the long run. The sky was meant to cave in when the smoking ban was introduced, same as when wearing seatbelts was mandatory. There will always be people who argue and try to skirt around the issue, the majority simply follow the rules and get on with life.

JimPa

swarlb wrote: »

It will not matter in the long run. The sky was meant to cave in when the smoking ban was introduced, same as when wearing seatbelts was mandatory. There will always be people who argue and try to skirt around the issue, the majority simply follow the rules and get on with life.

There's a difference between "This is my pub you're not smoking here" and "That's your car and you're not driving it."

Inviere

JimPa wrote: »

There's a difference between "This is my pub you're not smoking here" and "That's your car and you're not driving it."

And along with not driving it, having to pay for towing to a garage, where there may not be a booking for a few days. In essence I don’t have an issue with the new rules on paper; an unsafe car shouldn’t be on the road. In reality though, I’d hope it won’t be a money spinner.

grogi

Inviere wrote: »

And along with not driving it, having to pay for towing to a garage, where there may not be a booking for a few days. In essence I don’t have an issue with the new rules on paper; an unsafe car shouldn’t be on the road. In reality though, I’d hope it won’t be a money spinner.

Don't cut corners on maintenance, you won't get burn with towing expenses. Simple

Del2005

Inviere wrote: »

And along with not driving it, having to pay for towing to a garage, where there may not be a booking for a few days. In essence I don’t have an issue with the new rules on paper; an unsafe car shouldn’t be on the road. In reality though, I’d hope it won’t be a money spinner.

If your car is dangerous it shouldn't be on the road period.

Using the NCT to find out that your car is dangerous is putting everyone else on the road in danger. The towing fee is the idiot tax for not maintaining your vehicle in a safe condition

CJhaughey

The problem with all of this is that the Traffic corp as much of the Gardai is woefully underresourced and undermanned.
They should have checkpoints set up all around the place every Friday Saturday and random times checking for Alcohol/Drugs , Tyres,lights etc. if people were aware that this might be a possibility and court action/points could result then they wouldn't drive with bald tyres etc. It shouldn't come down to the NCT having to point out obvious defects.
People have a duty of care when they drive a motor vehicle and should have to take it seriously not just be told to do it on a basis of a test.

V8 Interceptor

The NCT itself has been totally undermined by the insurance/claims industry so no matter what they do people will see it as gimmickry.

Del2005

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

The NCT itself has been totally undermined by the insurance/claims industry so no matter what they do people will see it as gimmickry.

Considering you can make a car unroadworthy driving out of the NCT Centre its only a test that it was safe it was tested. We have ruined the insurance with our judicial system and compensation culture.

Neilw

michael jay wrote: »

Has anyone heard the radio ad about the new nct classifications, you can fail dangerously for having tyres less than the legal depth and have to get it towed away.

Is this a way to get more money or are they doing a good job?

Should be 3points per bald tyre too, there's no excuse for driving on or even more idiotically bringing a car for a test with bald tyres.

Inviere

Del2005 wrote: »

If your car is dangerous it shouldn't be on the road period.

Using the NCT to find out that your car is dangerous is putting everyone else on the road in danger. The towing fee is the idiot tax for not maintaining your vehicle in a safe condition

Yeah, “Whacker” from the dog rough estate up the road isn’t going to see it like that...especially with “Micko” and “Donno” beside him. The staff behind the counter will need a speed dial for the Guards when this comes in, and that’s the point I was making. Of course I agree with proper maintainence, it’s the staff having to deal with the repercussions of the change who I sympathize with.

Del2005

Inviere wrote: »

Yeah, “Whacker” from the dog rough estate up the road isn’t going to see it like that...especially with “Micko” and “Donno” beside him. The staff behind the counter will need a speed dial for the Guards when this comes in, and that’s the point I was making. Of course I agree with proper maintainence, it’s the staff having to deal with the repercussions of the change who I sympathize with.

Just like every other change in the law there will be problems. But the NCT has already taken outright death traps off the road and this will now take dangerous cars off the road. The Facebook crowd, Whacker and his buddies, will never believe anything legal anyway so why bother about them.

grogi

Del2005 wrote: »

Just like every other change in the law there will be problems. But the NCT has already taken outright death traps off the road and this will now take dangerous cars off the road. The Facebook crowd, Whacker and his buddies, will never believe anything legal anyway so why bother about them.

The issue is the Whacker et al. still can vote. Brexit, the Blonde etc...

OldMrBrennan83

Inviere wrote: »

And along with not driving it, having to pay for towing to a garage, where there may not be a booking for a few days. In essence I don’t have an issue with the new rules on paper; an unsafe car shouldn’t be on the road. In reality though, I’d hope it won’t be a money spinner.

And dispense with a 20 year old Irish tradition?

Inviere

Del2005 wrote: »

The Facebook crowd, Whacker and his buddies, will never believe anything legal anyway so why bother about them.

Well, you kinda have to if you work behind the counter...which was my original point