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Murder charge without a body

starbaby2003 · 2018-08-16 20:40:03

Given the recent upgrading of the tragic Deirdre Jacob case is there precedent in Ireland for murder convictions without a body ? Just seems like a few cases where they are pretty confident they know who the murder is but know they wouldn’t get a conviction.

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Given the recent upgrading of the tragic Deirdre Jacob case is there precedent in Ireland for murder convictions without a body ? Just seems like a few cases where they are pretty confident they know who the murder is but know they wouldn’t get a conviction.

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#2 16-08-2018 8:40pm

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Confession maybe?

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#3 16-08-2018 8:41pm

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There was no body in the Graham Dwyer case either I think?

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#4 16-08-2018 8:45pm

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Ciaran_B wrote: »

There was no body in the Graham Dwyer case either I think?

I think there was. It was what kicked off the murder investigation.

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#5 16-08-2018 8:45pm

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Ciaran_B wrote: »

There was no body in the Graham Dwyer case either I think?

There was body parts. They couldn't say for certain how she was killed i think.

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Portlawslim wrote: »

Confession maybe?

Is there a case ? Just seems too easy.

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Ciaran_B wrote: »

There was no body in the Graham Dwyer case either I think?

There were some body parts. But no definitive cause of death I think.

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I believe this was the first murder case tried in Ireland without a body being found.

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/ball-edward.htm

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deleted. Posted twice

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Someone must have come forward and said they know something for certain,

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#11 16-08-2018 8:51pm

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DublinHun72 wrote: »

I believe this was the first murder case tried in Ireland without a body being found.

http://murderpedia.org/male.B/b/ball-edward.htm

Thanks for sharing. He confessed when confronted though. Wonder if there is any true case of being found guilty purely on circumstantial evidence.

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#12 16-08-2018 8:52pm

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Sandra Collins's body she was from Killala co mayo, never found but her murderer is now in prison as of 1yr/2yrs ?

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#13 16-08-2018 8:52pm

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goat2 wrote: »

Someone must have come forward and said they know something for certain,

Definitely. There is a thread going on the subject
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/crd.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2057896065%26goto%3Dnewpost%26zxf%3D1534448527%26utm_source%3Dnotification%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dnotification&d=OHyvTSydkg3HboCz7okbByAd8TCOdOTWJDJBuZaxI-EKfokPTRDPP2k6IAzBKaYTqr07IYNT7ifqeNCzJa-jGoYrRY0A4hqBS-pAZz41shr6JfqIpDrTT9QAWu9e4tazUZRIjXooZ-uWwjuVZdU_10E4trUXQXBX6YRBuCPY7hVKXmZk1X8z7fd__LEzJLIKRMEX_5DC_3ymqyUwS3xEF_gS_qxANEkqunzpPkWe0jj4xEZ7zo2EHOZ6L3YapwuZYNR_VpSbF7L59KG9GIhrOtuLKIeG_s_Arx9jk6ebQWA40NHn4HGvk9Hicx-c2OtlVLdRobsJQLGeSqTwvtPS9hezmj--cdb_e5riAb9_IBkLwmn64n9FYgLc

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starbaby2003 wrote: »

Thanks for sharing. He confessed when confronted though. Wonder if there is any true case of being found guilty purely on circumstantial evidence.

I’d say that would be very unique. Be interesting to see any cases tho !

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D Trent wrote: »

Sandra Collins's body she was from Killala co mayo, never found but her murderer is now in prison as of 1yr/2yrs ?

Everything I found said he was acquitted ? Do you have a link ?

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#16 16-08-2018 9:06pm

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starbaby2003 wrote: »

Everything I found said he was acquitted ? Do you have a link ?

Ah here

Links are so last year man

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#17 16-08-2018 9:40pm

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D Trent wrote: »

Ah here

Links are so last year man

Sorry I’ll just blindly believe your unsubstantiated claim and spread the my newly acquired facts around, sound good

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#18 16-08-2018 10:42pm

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There was one guy convicted of murder in the Republic over Robert Nairac. There was a case in Bantry West Cork in the 80's as well where someone was convicted of a no body murder but that was later overturned

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