What happened to GoVeganWorld

Xcellor

https://goveganworld.com

Site has been down a good while now? After doing that bill board campaign seems strange that the site which had a lot of useful information is gone.

ElKavo

Xcellor wrote: »

https://goveganworld.com

Site has been down a good while now? After doing that bill board campaign seems strange that the site which had a lot of useful information is gone.

I regularly donated to the Eden farmed animal sanctuary which is linked with Go Vegan World. I received an email about a month ago asking me to suspend my standing order until further notice. The mail said they were restructuring their funding. Would be a real shame to let the head of steam built up dissipate with not at least a landing page.

I would imagine that they have to put up with a whole tonne of shi* from vested interests.

silent_spark

I don’t think they have charitable status, perhaps they are in the process of registering?

davidjtaylor

ElKavo wrote: »

I would imagine that they have to put up with a whole tonne of shi* from vested interests.

At the very start of that campaign, I was supportive but ambivalent.

Not that I don't welcome awareness and education but could an overt pro-vegan campaign backfire? That is, by dint of the sheer weight of propaganda the animal usage industry can muster?

One person I spoke to quoted a 10% drop in dairy consumption recently - can anyone confirm this? That's a massive amount of money and the industry is not going to take even a single 1% drop lightly.

gozunda

Xcellor wrote: »

https://goveganworld.com

Site has been down a good while now? After doing that bill board campaign seems strange that the site which had a lot of useful information is gone.

ElKavoI wrote:

would imagine that they have to put up with a whole tonne of shi* from vested interests.

They got a lot of negative response from ordinary people for their billboard campaign. Far more than they bargained for imo. Tbh the billboards wither on about 'baby' animals and betrayal and other emotive slogans. Personally I think a lot of that type of stuff backfired on them.

silent_spark wrote:

I don’t think they have charitable status, perhaps they are in the process of registering?

Govegan world is a registered private company not a 'charity. Look it up...

https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/Go-Vegan-World-Company-Limited-By-Guarantee-624605

davidjtaylor

davidjtaylor wrote: »

At the very start of that campaign, I was supportive but ambivalent.

Not that I don't welcome awareness and education but could an overt pro-vegan campaign backfire? That is, by dint of the sheer weight of propaganda the animal usage industry can muster?

One person I spoke to quoted a 10% drop in dairy consumption recently - can anyone confirm this? That's a massive amount of money and the industry is not going to take even a single 1% drop lightly.

What source could be trusted for those figures ? Would be great if true.

Best to have a look around where you live and see what’s being offered.

Lots of different plant based milks available for your coffee now in cafes and coffee shops. That says a lot.

As the demand increases so does the supply and the options increase too. No business owners want to lose customers by not listening to them. The demand for plant based milk is strong.

No doubt it’s impacting dairy farming and no doubt the dairy industry will put huge money into even more advertising.

It’s great though that more and more musicians, actors and celebrities are going vegan and that’s where younger people will be influenced to make a positive change.

No stopping social media now.

gozunda

davidjtaylor wrote: »

At the very start of that campaign, I was supportive but ambivalent.

Not that I don't welcome awareness and education but could an overt pro-vegan campaign backfire? That is, by dint of the sheer weight of propaganda the animal usage industry can muster? One person I spoke to quoted a 10% drop in dairy consumption recently - can anyone confirm this? That's a massive amount of money and the industry is not going to take even a single 1% drop lightly.

Sorry not sure what happened there. But yes I think that campaign did back fire in more ways than one.

The thing to remember is that global food production is dominated by huge multinationals. That includes plant based liquids and other similar processed foods. Some of the biggest multinationals companies promoting processed PBF's include huge multinationals such as Kraft Heinz, General Mills Alpro and Unilever.

Soya milk,nut cutlets,vegie burgers and tofu turkey are new revenue streams for these corporations and I doubt that they are promoting same for any ethical reasons whatsover.

And yes companies such as Monsanto BASF don't mind selling more scrub and bush killer to clear rain forests to grow even more soya and palm.

With regard to dairy products - production is not static - production responds to seasonal variations and dynamic local demands. Whatever about different market srctors or competition - the introduction of plant based liquids into that market continues to generate issues with regard to standardisation and nutritional value

For example See: https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Article/2018/07/26/Plant-based-milk-row-heats-up-as-FDA-probes-dairy-standards-of-identity

ElKavo

gozunda wrote: »

With regard to dairy products - production is not static - production responds to seasonal variations and dynamic local demands. Whatever about different market srctors or competition - the introduction of plant based liquids into that market continues to generate issues with regard to standardisation and nutritional value

For example See: https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Article/2018/07/26/Plant-based-milk-row-heats-up-as-FDA-probes-dairy-standards-of-identity

https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2018/07/18/Dairy-alternatives-continue-to-make-inroads-with-consumers-around-globe-Cargill-finds

Also

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/DataFiles/48685/fluidmilk.xlsx?v=42978

From

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/dairy-data/

silent_spark

gozunda wrote: »

Govegan world is a registered private company not a 'charity. Look it up...

https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/Go-Vegan-World-Company-Limited-By-Guarantee-624605

Apologies, I wasn’t clear - I was referring to the sanctuary in this instance. However, it would make sense for Go Vegan World to register as a charity in tandem with the sanctuary, as an animal welfare organisation. Other organisations/companies/associations have suspended activities while in the process of registering. It might also explain the request to pause donations.

Edit: I see that Go Vegan World has registered as a company limited by guarantee, rather than a regular company limited- it’s very likely that they are applying for charitable status.

davidjtaylor

Deleted User wrote: »

Best to have a look around where you live and see what’s being offered.

It's great round here, there are loads of vegan options considering it's the lonesome west (I've been encouraging restaurants in Ennis for years now as well as running a meet-up group) plus we have a 100% vegan/mostly organic café in the town.

There's even a vegan pop-up on Inisheer now, doing very well.

gozunda

ElKavo wrote: »

https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2018/07/18/Dairy-alternatives-continue-to-make-inroads-with-consumers-around-globe-Cargill-finds

Also

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/DataFiles/48685/fluidmilk.xlsx?v=42978

From

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/dairy-data/

Sorry but that's just a bunch of links including an spreadsheet download????

What is the point- if any?

ElKavo

davidjtaylor wrote: »

At the very start of that campaign, I was supportive but ambivalent.

Not that I don't welcome awareness and education but could an overt pro-vegan campaign backfire? That is, by dint of the sheer weight of propaganda the animal usage industry can muster?

One person I spoke to quoted a 10% drop in dairy consumption recently - can anyone confirm this? That's a massive amount of money and the industry is not going to take even a single 1% drop lightly.

gozunda wrote: »

Sorry not sure what happened there. But yes I think that campaign did back fire in more ways than one.

The thing to remember is that global food production is dominated by huge multinationals. That includes plant based liquids and other similar processed foods. Some of the biggest multinationals companies promoting processed PBF's include huge multinationals such as Kraft Heinz, General Mills Alpro and Unilever.

Soya milk,nut cutlets,vegie burgers and tofu turkey are new revenue streams for these corporations and I doubt that they are promoting same for any ethical reasons whatsover.

And yes companies such as Monsanto BASF don't mind selling more scrub and bush killer to clear rain forests to grow even more soya and palm.

With regard to dairy products - production is not static - production responds to seasonal variations and dynamic local demands. Whatever about different market srctors or competition - the introduction of plant based liquids into that market continues to generate issues with regard to standardisation and nutritional value

For example See: https://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Article/2018/07/26/Plant-based-milk-row-heats-up-as-FDA-probes-dairy-standards-of-identity

ElKavo wrote: »

https://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Article/2018/07/18/Dairy-alternatives-continue-to-make-inroads-with-consumers-around-globe-Cargill-finds

Also

https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/DataFiles/48685/fluidmilk.xlsx?v=42978

From

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/dairy-data/

gozunda wrote: »

Sorry but that's just a bunch of links including an spreadsheet download????

What is the point- if any?

The OP asked a question in relation to a 10% drop in milk consumption, you replied with some whataboutery of nutritional values of non dairy milks and gave a link about how the FDA commissioner wants to remove the word milk from plant based milks. I supplied the links to show the drops in US milk consumption, as you posted a US link, I figured I would keep it there.

davidjtaylor

Deleted User wrote: »

Best to have a look around where you live and see what’s being offered.

Just been to The Underdog in Limerick (bottom of Thomas Street) and the food's great there, klopparama. If you're in the area it's worth a try.

ElKavo

ElKavo wrote: »

The OP asked a question in relation to a 10% drop in milk consumption, you replied with some whataboutery of nutritional values of non dairy milks and gave a link about how the FDA commissioner wants to remove the word milk from plant based milks. I supplied the links to show the drops in US milk consumption, as you posted a US link, I figured I would keep it there.

Has a poster replied using American guidelines ?

Sure American guidelines have nothing to to with European standards unless you’re a blatant hypocrite.

gozunda

ElKavo wrote: »

The OP asked a question in relation to a 10% drop in milk consumption, you replied with some whataboutery of nutritional values of non dairy milks and gave a link about how the FDA commissioner wants to remove the word milk from plant based milks. I supplied the links to show the drops in US milk consumption, as you posted a US link, I figured I would keep it there.

You might want to read what I posted again.I was replying to the OP. The comment did not refer to the 'nutrional values of non dairy" - The comment related to both dairy and non-dairy
The link provided was a 'for example' only (As detailed)

Afaik its normal practice and to explain what you are posting

Posting a comment containing only links is not discussion no matter how you look at it. I still have no idea what your point is or even if you were making any ...

Nekarsulm

davidjtaylor wrote: »

One person I spoke to quoted a 10% drop in dairy consumption recently - can anyone confirm this? That's a massive amount of money and the industry is not going to take even a single 1% drop lightly.

Whatever about a 10% drop in consumption, there was probably at least 10% drop in production due to the drought like conditions over the last 6 to 8 weeks.

davidjtaylor

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Whatever about a 10% drop in consumption, there was probably at least 10% drop in production due to the drought like conditions over the last 6 to 8 weeks.

Not impossible, Nekarsulm. But the two conditions are not linked.

Stephen15

gozunda wrote: »

Govegan world is a registered private company not a 'charity. Look it up...

https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/Go-Vegan-World-Company-Limited-By-Guarantee-624605

How did they make money?

gozunda

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Not impossible, Nekarsulm. But the two conditions are not linked.

Do you know a lot about dairy production David?

I'm interested in this "10% drop" - Do you have the source for that?

Here's some market data which shows that overall demand is up within the dairy sector

https://www.ifa.ie/market_reports/dairy-market-blog-50/

Tar.Aldarion

BTW they put back up the site after changing it https://goveganworld.com/

Worztron

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

BTW they put back up the site after changing it https://goveganworld.com/

Hi TA. It does not work for me.

Edit: I tried https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/goveganworld.com and it says: "It's just you. goveganworld.com is up.". Maybe it's a DNS issue?

davidjtaylor

Works ok for me.

Tar.Aldarion

Yeah I'd say that's a routing or DNS issue. I checked again here and it's fine.