500GB External SSD - 130.53

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SanDisk Extreme Portable SSD 500 GB

High-speed transfers with up to 550MB/s read speeds
Save time moving hi-res photos and videos fast
Rugged, water- and dust-resistant1 (IP-55 rated). Compatible with Windows 10, Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista and Mac OS 10.4+
Shock-resistant solid state core for greater durability
Compact and pocket-sized

https://www.amazon.de/SanDisk-Portable-Lesegeschwindigkeit-Wasserdicht-staubdicht/dp/B078SWJ3CF?th=1

130.53 delivered to Ireland. :pac:

Gets very good reviews.

Deal gone !

my3cents

Does it work out any different on Amazon.co.uk? https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Extreme-Portable-SSD-Read/dp/B078SVRH4B/ £99?

bazz26

That's for the 250GB one though. The 500GB is £127.57

my3cents

bazz26 wrote: »

That's for the 250GB one though. The 500GB is £127.57

My bad

droidman123

Do these ssd drives plug into a tv to play movie files like a standard hd drive?

Alanstrainor

droidman123 wrote: »

Do these ssd drives plug into a tv to play movie files like a standard hd drive?

As far as how your TV will see it, it will work the same as a spinning disk. But what benefit an SSD would be for this purpose I don't know.

serarra

Alanstrainor wrote: »

As far as how your TV will see it, it will work the same as a spinning disk. But what benefit an SSD would be for this purpose I don't know.

Power consumption.
Normal hard drive, you will probably need a "Y cable" and provide power with two usb connectors, or use a usb pen instead. SSD hard drive will use around same power than the usb pen drive, so much better for the tv. Plus, if you are going to install it behind the tv, a plate hard drive could suffer if is not install properly (at an angle)

FrToddUnctious

serarra wrote: »

Power consumption.
Normal hard drive, you will probably need a "Y cable" and provide power with two usb connectors, or use a usb pen instead. SSD hard drive will use around same power than the usb pen drive, so much better for the tv. Plus, if you are going to install it behind the tv, a plate hard drive could suffer if is not install properly (at an angle)

Tons of portable HDD's just use USB for power now, and as long as its not swinging around the angle won't matter

serarra

FrToddUnctious wrote: »

Tons of portable HDD's just use USB for power now, and as long as its not swinging around the angle won't matter

Yes, they use only one usb for power now. But they still use more power than a SSD. And a TV usb port could sometimes not provide enough power (500mA)

And the angle matters for a plate hard drive, not only swinging. If it is perpendicular is ok, but not old angles.
https://www.howtogeek.com/128397/does-hard-drive-orientation-affect-its-lifespan/
Is because centrifugal forces. It probably not brake, but it could. Hard drives are designed to work flat with gravity (it could be vertical,or hotizontal, even upside down, but not at an angle)

So, reliability, that is the benefit. And no spinning or search noise.

FrToddUnctious

The link you provided doesn't really back up your claims

serarra

FrToddUnctious wrote: »

The link you provided doesn't really back up your claims

Manufacturer Contact method Response

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WD Tech support, email 90 degrees.
Hitachi Hitachi documentation 90 degrees.
Samsung Tech support, phone 90 degrees.
Fujitsu Tech support, chat 90 degrees +-5.
Seagate Tech support, email 90 degrees preferred,
but diagonal OK.
Maxtor Tech support, phone 90 degrees preferred, but in
real world, whatever.

It does not??? I think it does

FrToddUnctious

serarra wrote: »

Manufacturer Contact method Response

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WD Tech support, email 90 degrees.
Hitachi Hitachi documentation 90 degrees.
Samsung Tech support, phone 90 degrees.
Fujitsu Tech support, chat 90 degrees +-5.
Seagate Tech support, email 90 degrees preferred,
but diagonal OK.
Maxtor Tech support, phone 90 degrees preferred, but in
real world, whatever.

It does not??? I think it does

Also

The drive will operate in all axes (6 directions). Performance and error rate will stay within specification limits if the drive is operated in the other orientations from which it was formatted.

Western Digital:

Physical mounting of the drive: WD drives will function normally whether they are mounted sideways or upside down (any X, Y, Z orientation).

Maxtor:

The hard drive can be mounted in any orientation.

Although it's a good price for what it is, right now you could buy a 500gb Crucial SSD for £76 on Amazon, whack it in an enclosure for less than a tenner, and you're sorted.

Crucial MX500 CT500MX500SSD1(Z) 500 GB Internal SSD (3D NAND, SATA, 2.5 Inch) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0784SLQM6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_QrACBbQBBDAC0

Alanstrainor

Basil3 wrote: »

Although it's a good price for what it is, right now you could buy a 500gb Crucial SSD for £76 on Amazon, whack it in an enclosure for less than a tenner, and you're sorted.

Crucial MX500 CT500MX500SSD1(Z) 500 GB Internal SSD (3D NAND, SATA, 2.5 Inch) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0784SLQM6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_QrACBbQBBDAC0

Yes. And you could even get the m.2 version and use an m.2 enclosure which would be a good bit smaller as well. Great to see prices of SSDs coming down after a bit of a plateau for a while there.

serarra

FrToddUnctious wrote: »

Also

So you quote the answer from 6 manufacturers, 4 out of 6 say 90 degress, two of them say it is prefered, (one of them saying any in x,y,OR z orientation (meaning, as long as it flat along one of its axis), and I am wrong???
You should have it checked...

And it is common sense. A platter spinning at at least 5200rpm (2.5", a 3.5" will be 5400, 7200 or even there are 10k and 15k), if it is flat, it will not vibrate. If you have it on an incline, because of PHYSICS, it will have force vectors all over, forcing the axis and the platters, could cause vibrations or even full mechanical failure. Not that it will. And the percentage of that happening on new hard drive is small, but it could happen, and it is one of the things you don't have to thing about if you have a SSD. So there.

And yes, external enclosure, 15 quid, plus a crucial, or a samsung evo would be an alternative.
I like that it is IP55, so a little more rugged than a normal case.

FrToddUnctious

serarra wrote: »

So you quote the answer from 6 manufacturers, 4 out of 6 say 90 degress, two of them say it is prefered, (one of them saying any in x,y,OR z orientation (meaning, as long as it flat along one of its axis), and I am wrong???
You should have it checked...

And it is common sense. A platter spinning at at least 5200rpm (2.5", a 3.5" will be 5400, 7200 or even there are 10k and 15k), if it is flat, it will not vibrate. If you have it on an incline, because of PHYSICS, it will have force vectors all over, forcing the axis and the platters, could cause vibrations or even full mechanical failure. Not that it will. And the percentage of that happening on new hard drive is small, but it could happen, and it is one of the things you don't have to thing about if you have a SSD. So there.

And yes, external enclosure, 15 quid, plus a crucial, or a samsung evo would be an alternative.
I like that it is IP55, so a little more rugged than a normal case.

How does "any x, y, z orientation" mean it needs to be flat?

Also "The hard drive can be mounted in any orientation." seems pretty cut and dry to me

4 manufacturers said flat is best, 2 said it didn't matter, that's not a huge difference over such a small sample size.

Maybe you can explain this "physics" to me a bit more too? The platter will always be "flat" relative to every other part of the device, I don't see how what difference it's position relative to us could make, as long as it's not moving while spinning

serarra

FrToddUnctious wrote: »

How does "any x, y, z orientation" mean it needs to be flat?

I read that as "along any of those axes", not "at an arbitrary angle".Any orientation on any of the axis. NOT ALL OF THEM AT A TIME. Flat on the table, On it's side, vertical, upside down. But always at 90 degrees.

FrToddUnctious wrote: »

Also "The hard drive can be mounted in any orientation." seems pretty cut and dry to me

4 manufacturers said flat is best, 2 said it didn't matter, that's not a huge difference over such a small sample size./QUOTE]
So it is ok for you to be right on two of the six, but wrong for me to be right on 4 out of 6?? yeahhh

FrToddUnctious wrote: »

Maybe you can explain this "physics" to me a bit more too? The platter will always be "flat" relative to every other part of the device, I don't see how what difference it's position relative to us could make, as long as it's not moving while spinning

Simple:
Two forces:
Gravity
Angular forces
If it is flat (on any axis) it will negate each other or at least be perpendicular.
If it is at an angle, will have force vectors going everywhere. Bearings and arm get applied force that will not otherwise.
The problem is when the arm is accelerating in a direction not perpendicular to gravity. The head is being pushed in two directions:
Code:
platter / / |Gravity
surface/ / v
/ /
/ / Motor push
/ L
So the heads get pushed by some tiny, tiny bit toward the platter surface. That's Bad.

Not going to discuss it anymore.
If you still don't get it, i cannot make it clearer for you. Install the hard drive any way you
want, only don't come back crying when it gets a scratched plate or the arm goes out of alignment (HD nowadays are a lot more sturdy, so small chance of that happening, but is there. Not there on a SSD)

my3cents

serarra wrote: »

I read that as "along any of those axes", not "at an arbitrary angle".Any orientation on any of the axis. NOT ALL OF THEM AT A TIME. Flat on the table, On it's side, vertical, upside down. But always at 90 degrees.

FrToddUnctious wrote: »

Also "The hard drive can be mounted in any orientation." seems pretty cut and dry to me

4 manufacturers said flat is best, 2 said it didn't matter, that's not a huge difference over such a small sample size./QUOTE]
So it is ok for you to be right on two of the six, but wrong for me to be right on 4 out of 6?? yeahhh



Simple:
Two forces:
Gravity
Angular forces
If it is flat (on any axis) it will negate each other or at least be perpendicular.
If it is at an angle, will have force vectors going everywhere. Bearings and arm get applied force that will not otherwise.
The problem is when the arm is accelerating in a direction not perpendicular to gravity. The head is being pushed in two directions:
Code:
platter / / |Gravity
surface/ / v
/ /
/ / Motor push
/ L
So the heads get pushed by some tiny, tiny bit toward the platter surface. That's Bad.

Not going to discuss it anymore.
If you still don't get it, i cannot make it clearer for you. Install the hard drive any way you
want, only don't come back crying when it gets a scratched plate or the arm goes out of alignment (HD nowadays are a lot more sturdy, so small chance of that happening, but is there. Not there on a SSD)

What about the gyroscopic forces that tend to keep the drive in the same position it was when it started up?

dodzy

Ah FFS lads, angles, schmangles.
Thanks Basil

Basil3 wrote: »

Although it's a good price for what it is, right now you could buy a 500gb Crucial SSD for £76 on Amazon, whack it in an enclosure for less than a tenner, and you're sorted.

Crucial MX500 CT500MX500SSD1(Z) 500 GB Internal SSD (3D NAND, SATA, 2.5 Inch) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0784SLQM6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_QrACBbQBBDAC0

Dr Bolouswki

my3cents wrote: »

What about the gyroscopic forces that tend to keep the drive in the same position it was when it started up?

"Yes but what KIND of gyroscopic forces are they Anderson? Are they of this world... or are they Alien."