Any good deals on new cars with fancy driving systems?

pH

I'm looking for a new car, saloon(ish) but would consider mini-suv/hatchback etc.

What I really want is something with:
Touchscreen/usb/Bluetooth.
Keyless entry
parking assist/lane assist/adaptive cruise control/

Nice:
Sign detection/OCR
rain sensors
Collision detection/braking.

They're on lots of cars, but only on the XX++ packages, which make a 20k car 30k or more. In particular I'm not interested in paying for leather seats or fancy alloys I just want my electronic gizmos! I'm just wondering if anyone who's been looking at new cars recently who's interested in these toys, seen any good deals on them?

If not, does anyone know is a particular make/model has exceptional systems for the price?

Thanks

Shefwedfan

You sound like me. I love my techie features.....self parking, sat nav, bluetooth, wifi in car :-) you name it I love it.....I am sickened I dont have apple play in my current car

Majority of BEV cars come with a high spec. BEV(Battery Electric Vehicle). My current eGolf has lots of little gadgets....all of which you can pick up on a diesel/petrol version but they seem to come as standard with the BEV cars

Apart from that I recommend looking at imports. Depending on budget you could find the Irish version with blowly heating and a wooden chair to sit on. People are more interested in a 1X1 instead of the actual features.

I am the other way around.

I am like a broken record but it is worth checking what fuel is best for you: electric, petrol, hybrid, diesel and then from that look at what cars are in that range.

To check what fuel what is your total km/year but also what is the majority of those journeys made up of....lots of small trips(like me as in Dublin area) or loads of long distance.....

Edit...how could I forget, of course my car comes with carnet....so you can turn on aircon so in morning your car can be warm/cold when you hop in. Track it so if the Misses goes to a "friends house" but if down the shopping centre you can catch her :-) etc etc......hahaha

pH

You're right, the new Leaf for example is a 4k premium to go to the pro-pilot pack (28,690 to 32,600) and this includes (front) leather seats, which to be honest is not a show-stopper, but I'd rather not pay for them! So if you could get all the self-driving safety stuff on a car for about 2.5k and not spend money on fancy alloys, Bose speakers and leather seats, this would be just what I'm looking for!

Shefwedfan

pH wrote: »

You're right, the new Leaf for example is a 4k premium to go to the pro-pilot pack (28,690 to 32,600) and this includes (front) leather seats, which to be honest is not a show-stopper, but I'd rather not pay for them! So if you could get all the self-driving safety stuff on a car for about 2.5k and not spend money on fancy alloys, Bose speakers and leather seats, this would be just what I'm looking for!

So your budget is 2.5k?

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So your budget is 2.5k?

He wants to be able to add to safety/driver assist stuff for 2.5k, without having to also pay for leather, alloys, upgraded audio etc.

Shefwedfan

JayZeus wrote: »

He wants to be able to add to safety/driver assist stuff for 2.5k, without having to also pay for leather, alloys, upgraded audio etc.

Sorry looked at it again......


It's very hard to answer as no idea what type/size/fuel car you should be looking at....


In electric you are restricted to Leaf 2, eGolf(high baseline with options), Ioniq(not many options but high spec) and Zoe(no idea)....

If look at Crossover the Kona will be out soon and it seems to have different price options.


In petrol/diesel World its better to look at what cars you like and then see what options. Like are you a VW person? or a BMW person? etc etc

Lantus

Generally manufacturers do 3 trim levels. The tech, screens and toys are in the middle to top tiers. You can pick specific items from an options list but often its better value to get the higher trim level.

Most brands do all that kit.

Polo, troc, karoq, would offer all of that.

Shefwedfan

Lantus wrote: »

Generally manufacturers do 3 trim levels. The tech, screens and toys are in the middle to top tiers. You can pick specific items from an options list but often its better value to get the higher trim level.

Most brands do all that kit.

Polo, troc, karoq, would offer all of that.

Can you even get cruise control on a Polo?



I would have expected the Golf to be the minimum to get cruise and start looking at lane assist

Toyotafanboi

To be fair, a new Polo Highline would have everything on the OP's list as standard bar road sign recognition which I'm nearly sure can still be spec'd as an extra. I havn't checked but i'd also say it's be cheaper to buy a Highline for example than to spec all those its onto a factory build Trendline.

Shefwedfan

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

To be fair, a new Polo Highline would have everything on the OP's list as standard bar road sign recognition which I'm nearly sure can still be spec'd as an extra. I havn't checked but i'd also say it's be cheaper to buy a Highline for example than to spec all those its onto a factory build Trendline.

Just checked, feck the Polo has come up in the World.....:p


No highline model. Just comfortline and then GTI


Comfortline is 20k+ and then 33k+ for GTI :eek:

elbyrneo

pH wrote: »

I'm looking for a new car, saloon(ish) but would consider mini-suv/hatchback etc.

What I really want is something with:
Touchscreen/usb/Bluetooth.
Keyless entry
parking assist/lane assist/adaptive cruise control/

Nice:
Sign detection/OCR
rain sensors
Collision detection/braking.

They're on lots of cars, but only on the XX++ packages, which make a 20k car 30k or more. In particular I'm not interested in paying for leather seats or fancy alloys I just want my electronic gizmos! I'm just wondering if anyone who's been looking at new cars recently who's interested in these toys, seen any good deals on them?

If not, does anyone know is a particular make/model has exceptional systems for the price?

Thanks

Peugeot 3008/5008 has pretty much everything in gt-line trim up from your list. Adaptive cruise control is a 300eur option but everything else included at that level.

Self parking easy. Has extra features you havent listed like sports mode, ambient lighting, fragrances thru aircon, auto dimming headlights including cornering and self levelling. The heads up type dash display is excellent. Android Auto seamless for Google voice integration. (Assume Apple car play good too).

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Just checked, feck the Polo has come up in the World.....:p


No highline model. Just comfortline and then GTI


Comfortline is 20k+ and then 33k+ for GTI :eek:

If you're going to check, you should check carefully.

Trendline Polo, 17,570 on the road.

As for the GTI, that's for a 2.0L TFSI, about 200BHP with pretty much all the toys and as much poke as you'll get from a Polo. Give me that over an entry level EV or hybrid any day.

What's the budget OP? What have you eliminated already? Or do you want everyone else to do your legwork for you?

Shefwedfan

JayZeus wrote: »

If you're going to check, you should check carefully.

Trendline Polo, 17,570 on the road.

As for the GTI, that's for a 2.0L TFSI, about 200BHP with pretty much all the toys and as much poke as you'll get from a Polo. Give me that over an entry level EV or hybrid any day.

What's the budget OP? What have you eliminated already? Or do you want everyone else to do your legwork for you?

Yes I said Comfortline is 20k+, the Trendline doesnt come with Cruise control so that is why I didn't mention it



I know the GTI spec performance.....I just mentioned the starting price

pH

JayZeus wrote: »

What's the budget OP? What have you eliminated already? Or do you want everyone else to do your legwork for you?

No I don't need or want anyone to do my legwork for me! I merely asked had anyone recently gone through this process and discovered any makes models where these sort of electronic gizmos were reasonably priced, or available as options without having to also buy leather seats/alloys/expensive speakers!

Peugeot 3008/5008 has pretty much everything in gt-line trim up from your list. Adaptive cruise control is a 300eur option but everything else included at that level.

I hadn't looked at Peugot before, but I might now go in and look at a 3008. Still in terms of standard trim levels the pricing is:

Access (1.2L petrol) €26,595
GTLINE (1.2L petrol) €33,825

This is still a 7230 premium for all the gadgets I want (Yes I know there's a lot more in there) to get key-less entry and park-assist.

To be fair, a new Polo Highline would have everything on the OP's list as standard bar road sign recognition which I'm nearly sure can still be spec'd as an extra. I havn't checked but i'd also say it's be cheaper to buy a Highline for example than to spec all those its onto a factory build Trendline.

I'd certainly consider something like a Polo for that price, but I had something more Golf-sized in mind. Also I found it to tell from the VW website what was on each Polo model (some of the confusion relates to a 'lauch model spec')

Thanks for the help guys, honestly I'm not looking for people to do research for me, I was just hoping someone else had been looking at new cars recently and might say have a look at the XXXX model YYYY, it has all these features at a reasonable price!

Interestingly I just had a look at the T-ROC which seems to have pretty much everything I want in the 'Design' trim, at 27K ish - think I'll definitely have a look at it

kerten

Generally more toys for less money exist in French and Korean brands. If you aim for recently changed models like i30, megane, etc they should have what you are looking for. Probably keyless entry and self parking are the problematic as I don't see them except high spec trims.

Shefwedfan

Self parking is a waste of time, any of the systems are too slow. With the size of car you are talking about you will never use it. I have it but used it twice in 18 months. Both times to see how it works.....

Lantus

Vw which includes seat and skoda sets a high tech bench mark for good value cars. I have a mid range 2016 fabia which is smaller than the new polo with cruise, large colour touch screen and android auto with full voice operation. The style gets keyless and other tech options. Octavia and superb get lots more as does karoq.

Polo and troc in vw are the cheaper models to focus on. Also look at new seat small suv and Leon.

Mooooo

Would you consider older higher spec cars? Say high end mercs/ bmw/ Lexus etc. 7 series or a8 or the like would have a lot of toys in it and tended to be ahead of their time so would have what some newer cars have now

Heres Johnny

Mooooo wrote: »

Would you consider older higher spec cars? Say high end mercs/ bmw/ Lexus etc. 7 series or a8 or the like would have a lot of toys in it and tended to be ahead of their time so would have what some newer cars have now

I presume the OP is looking for a brand new car I was thinking along the same lines as you.
If the priority is toys I'd be looking back a couple of years at high end stuff too, 20-30k here means you only have to go back a few years which will leave a 20-30k car brand new in the shade completely

Shefwedfan

Hyundai seem to be decent in terms of high spec so it is worth looking.....

I seen a lot of advertisements online about the Hyundai I20n
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/i20/100001/new-hyundai-i20-n-hot-hatch-due-in-2018

It is faster than Golf etc....no idea of price or anything.....

Probably going the other direction in terms of fancy alloys/speed etc but I would guess spec is high.....

Could be option for standard Hyundai models.....

Really you need to test drive cars, some you are just not going to like, personally I hate the Toyota interior and I find the Nissan quite mundane....I like the VW/Audi and dont like BMW....you need to work out those types of things....nobody else can tell you

pH

Heres Johnny wrote: »

I presume the OP is looking for a brand new car I was thinking along the same lines as you.
If the priority is toys I'd be looking back a couple of years at high end stuff too, 20-30k here means you only have to go back a few years which will leave a 20-30k car brand new in the shade completely

Would you consider older higher spec cars? Say high end mercs/ bmw/ Lexus etc. 7 series or a8 or the like would have a lot of toys in it and tended to be ahead of their time so would have what some newer cars have now

I personally would be tempted, but we already have a Forester, and the other half insists that what's bought next is not as big, golf size max really. Also, I just don't have the passion or interest I used to, and the thought of spending weeks finding the 'perfect' 2nd hand bargain, which 20 years ago would have given me a lot of joy, now just seems like too much work

Self parking is a waste of time, any of the systems are too slow. With the size of car you are talking about you will never use it. I have it but used it twice in 18 months. Both times to see how it works.....

I think I agree with you. Had a look at a VW t-roc 'design', it has everything except the parking assist (it has front and rear sensors) and the keyless entry (400 extra).

The Hyundai Kona is another option, but it's a 5k jump form the base spec to the 'premium' and another 600 for the braking system/pedestrian detect.

Shefwedfan

pH wrote: »

I personally would be tempted, but we already have a Forester, and the other half insists that what's bought next is not as big, golf size max really. Also, I just don't have the passion or interest I used to, and the thought of spending weeks finding the 'perfect' 2nd hand bargain, which 20 years ago would have given me a lot of joy, now just seems like too much work



I think I agree with you. Had a look at a VW t-roc 'design', it has everything except the parking assist (it has front and rear sensors) and the keyless entry (400 extra).

The Hyundai Kona is another option, but it's a 5k jump form the base spec to the 'premium' and another 600 for the braking system/pedestrian detect.

If going Hyundai Kona better off looking at the BEV version. It will be launched in the next few weeks. Check Hyundai UK for spec


The sensors are all you will require. The self parking is for parking in cities but if you pulled up on road and waited for it to park the car you would have 20 people beeping the horn at you :P

Del2005

The best way to get toys cheap is to buy a model which is being replaced or upgraded soon. They usually throw on extras to clear stock of the current version.

bazz26

Problem is that the tech on a soon to be replaced model is usually old too especially if the model has been around a while. I get the impression the OP wants something with the latest and greatest tech.

Del2005

bazz26 wrote: »

Problem is that the tech on a soon to be replaced model is usually old too especially if the model has been around a while. I get the impression the OP wants something with the latest and greatest tech.

Nothing that the OP mentioned is amazingly new and they don't want to spend money, so a - 1 car will have a lot of toys for cheap versus a new car where the toys are expensive.

Gru

Have you looked at the Honda Civic?

out of your list the smart plus spec has:

Touchscreen/usb/Bluetooth.
lane assist/adaptive cruise control/
rain sensors
Collision detection/braking.

if you go premium which isn't that much more you get the:
Keyless entry
Sign detection


it has a lot of what you are asking for, It isn't available in EV though unfortunately.

Shefwedfan

OSI wrote: »

Works perfectly fine on the Tiguan. Use it at least twice a week and it's just as fast if not faster and definitely more reliable than doing it manually.

Depends on the driver of course

ninja 12

If you're looking at Golf size at max , what about the new Fiesta Titanium with a couple of options ?

Apple Car Play and Android Auto as standard .

Base Price
€20,150
Added Features
€2,075

Active Park Assist Pack (APA + RVC)
€720
Driver Assistance Pack (Pre Coll Assist,Dist. Ind/Dist Alert & Adapt Cruise)
€700
Auto High Beam
€250
EATC
€320
8” Touch Screen
€85
Total Price †
€22,225


Keyless entry adds €500

www.ford.ie/s/s86G

DaveyDave

As TFB mentioned you're better off going higher spec rather than low spec and adding options on. Some of the lower spec cars like T-Roc don't even have the option for rear camera and a lot of the tech stuff is in the appropriately named tech pack. Highline Golf gets a camera, heated seats, 8" screen etc whereas the pack on lower spec cars is folding mirrors, floor mats and alloys...

On the topic of price, you'd be surprised. Not much saving to be had going with Skoda or Seat if you want some tech. Golf was the same price as the Octavia and Leon when you add stuff that the Golf has as standard. In saying that, you may not care for smaller stuff like window tint so could save a few quid. Their finance rates are higher so closes the gap in cost.

One thing about VW is that you don't have to add a load of packs. The Leon has 2-3 driver assist packs so you're paying for some stuff you don't want whereas with VW you get park assist, keyless etc. Only what you want.

You can take it a step further by looking at the UK or German websites, you may be able to spec extra options that Ireland doesn't have listed. The Golf in Germany for example can get the Golf R wheels, a rear splitter, door sills, spoiler etc.

Regarding park assist, in my experience with the Golf it works well and it's quick enough. Faster than I'd be in a tight space anyway and it also adds extra parking sensors which is convenient.

Again using the Golf Highline as an example, digital dash, auto lights, rain sensor, auto dim mirror, heated wing mirrors, auto high beam etc.

It is a premium cost though but you get what you pay for.

elbyrneo

OSI wrote: »

Works perfectly fine on the Tiguan. Use it at least twice a week and it's just as fast if not faster and definitely more reliable than doing it manually.

Same for the 5008. Use it for parallel parking mostly. Doesn't skip a beat.

bodonnell

Gru wrote: »

Have you looked at the Honda Civic?

out of your list the smart plus spec has:

Touchscreen/usb/Bluetooth.
lane assist/adaptive cruise control/
rain sensors
Collision detection/braking.

if you go premium which isn't that much more you get the:
Keyless entry
Sign detection


it has a lot of what you are asking for, It isn't available in EV though unfortunately.

You don't have to go 'premium', the gt pack has the keyless entry & sign detection. Think the premium adds leather, heated rear seats, some chrome & a couple of other bits.

Gru

bodonnell wrote: »

You don't have to go 'premium', the gt pack has the keyless entry & sign detection. Think the premium adds leather, heated rear seats, some chrome & a couple of other bits.

It depends on which engine you are going for, since they were looking at saloon-ish hatchbacks on a budget i was suggesting the 1ltr engine, the premium is their equivalent in features as the GT pack in the 1.5ltr. Premium plus has the heated rear seats...etc there are 4 tiers of spec in the 1ltr and 3 tiers in the 1.5ltr in saying that though the smart plus spec has enough of the features the op was asking about.

The Honda's come with a lot of the tech the op asked for as standard now, and i find it a comfortable/fun car to drive too so i suggested it.

pH

Gru wrote: »

It depends on which engine you are going for, since they were looking at saloon-ish hatchbacks on a budget i was suggesting the 1ltr engine, the premium is their equivalent in features as the GT pack in the 1.5ltr. Premium plus has the heated rear seats...etc there are 4 tiers of spec in the 1ltr and 3 tiers in the 1.5ltr in saying that though the smart plus spec has enough of the features the op was asking about.

The Honda's come with a lot of the tech the op asked for as standard now, and i find it a comfortable/fun car to drive too so i suggested it.

Thanks for the ideas, just to clarify the premium is a 7k upgrade on the 1.0 litre and the 1.5 GT is also over 30k, and as far as I can tell don't have lane assist or obstacle detection/braking (or do they?)

Have you looked at the Honda Civic?

out of your list the smart plus spec has:

Touchscreen/usb/Bluetooth.
lane assist/adaptive cruise control/
rain sensors
Collision detection/braking.

if you go premium which isn't that much more you get the:
Keyless entry
Sign detection

Thanks - I couldn't see the adaptive cruise and the lane assist on the website - I must have another look