Hogan and entitlements?

lalababa

Sorry if this has another thread ( couldn't find one).Was just reading an agriland article (30/jul) which quotes Hogan saying the dept. should think about abolising entitlements. Does this mean getting rid of the old system set up from headage numbers? And replacing with some other measurement aka Dragi and his flat payments per hectare with mins and max.s ( that Coveney tweeked to shaft the small/disadvantaged farmer) ?? Or some other system?

Birdnuts

lalababa wrote: »

Sorry if this has another thread ( couldn't find one).Was just reading an agriland article (30/jul) which quotes Hogan saying the dept. should think about abolising entitlements. Does this mean getting rid of the old system set up from headage numbers? And replacing with some other measurement aka Dragi and his flat payments per hectare with mins and max.s ( that Coveney tweeked to shaft the small/disadvantaged farmer) ?? Or some other system?

Thats the big worry if the EU gives governments a free hand with CAP money post 2020 - I have no doubt that the the current government would simply re-enforce the unfairness and destructive nature of the current regime, aided and abetted by the usual suspects:(

Farmer

People need to go out and join whatever farmers organization that they feel best represents them. There's no point in being in the one that you feel isn't representing you just because you might get a few quid off your insurance while giving out aboht them at the same time. Your voice is through your organization and it's numbers. The smaller organizations are doing good work, often on an almost voluntary basis

wrangler

Farmer wrote: »

People need to go out and join whatever farmers organization that they feel best represents them. There's no point in being in the one that you feel isn't representing you just because you might get a few quid off your insurance while giving out aboht them at the same time. Your voice is through your organization and it's numbers. The smaller organizations are doing good work, often on an almost voluntary basis

Farmers won't bother, that's why it was so easy the last time, the ''leave it to someone else'' ethos is still strong,
Our aim in 2013 was that no one would lose much/anything and I think it worked well, it just shows what organisation, forming allies with other countries and lobbying Government can do.
But you have to pull the finger out first

SBP will probably based on environmental measures(like GLAS, WBC rtc) from now on and very much reduced

Siamsa Sessions

Farmer wrote: »

People need to go out and join whatever farmers organization that they feel best represents them. There's no point in being in the one that you feel isn't representing you just because you might get a few quid off your insurance while giving out aboht them at the same time. Your voice is through your organization and it's numbers. The smaller organizations are doing good work, often on an almost voluntary basis

I’m a member of the one you’re talking about. Joined first out of interest, attended a few monthly meetings, and then decided it was the same whiners delaying any useful discussions for hours on end.

I stopped the subscription for a few years and then re-joined to get the accountant discount! Went to a meeting about fodder crisis last week and it descended into another whinge fest on ICBF and whatever else took people’s fancy.

There’s always going an element of that but county chairs should control it better. Maybe some workshops or training could be offered?

Big aspect is the area you’re in too. Lots of dairy and beef around me so sheep don’t get much attention. That’s fair enough. You can’t fight against tour surroundings.

Tis complicated. I’d be open to joining any organisation where I could help or thought new voices would be listed to. Would you recommend any particular ones?

wrangler

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

I’m a member of the one you’re talking about. Joined first out of interest, attended a few monthly meetings, and then decided it was the same whiners delaying any useful discussions for hours on end.

I stopped the subscription for a few years and then re-joined to get the accountant discount! Went to a meeting about fodder crisis last week and it descended into another whinge fest on ICBF and whatever else took people’s fancy.

There’s always going an element of that but county chairs should control it better. Maybe some workshops or training could be offered?

Big aspect is the area you’re in too. Lots of dairy and beef around me so sheep don’t get much attention. That’s fair enough. You can’t fight against tour surroundings.

Tis complicated. I’d be open to joining any organisation where I could help or thought new voices would be listed to. Would you recommend any particular ones?

I'd agree, the county exec meetings are too broad and dairy or beef hog a lot of the time. I used to aim to get on to national commitees which was easy enough in our county as no one wanted to do it.I was on the National sheep commitee for six years which was great, made great friends out of it and met a lot of interesting people in the sheep industry. I went on the national livestock Commitee and left it after a year, beef price protests were a real sickener, I stepped down as County Chair for the same reason....couldn't listen to Henry Burns any longer.
M6 CPOs came a long then and I got on to Environment Commitee to have the inside track on dealing with the CPO.
So as you see it's what you make it yourself, had I not been able to pick and choose like I did I mightn't have been quite so keen.
Farmer apathy will destroy any organisation