Vegetarianism and just not eating beef

s7ryf3925pivug

The environmental impact of producing most animal protein is pretty similar, whether it's milk and eggs or chicken and lamb. Beef is a lot worse. The difference between beef and other animal protein is much greater than the difference between other animal protein and vegetable protein.

I'm not convinced that animal farming for meat is necessarily worse than animal farming for eggs or dairy in terms of animal welfare. Pigs are the exception here, as they almost always live in horrible conditions.

Meh bored now. You get the general point, probably. Not going to bother defending the accuracy of anything I just said, you can google as easily as I can... Probably should in fact as I might have remembered something incorrectly.

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Guy:Incognito

Bacon double cheeseburger.

freshpopcorn

So just don't eat beef. Nothing vegetarian about it.

pleas advice

What's your beef?

Kevin Finnerty

Boeuf. Now there's a meat you could call beef.

endacl

If they can come up with an environmentally-friendly vegan-approved way of producing beef, I'll eat beef.

In the meantime, I'll just stick to eating beef.

Tasty beef.

Yum.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Cow farts contribute to global warming.

Guy:Incognito

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Cow farts contribute to global warming.

So now you WANT us to kill all the cows. You vegans need to make your minds up.

deco nate

freshpopcorn wrote: »

And Popcorn, so you are half veggie

DEFTLEFTHAND

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So now you WANT us to kill all the cows. You vegans need to make your minds up.

Every ideology seems to be full of contradictions and doublethink.

chite

Might be beneficial to reduce beef and dairy farming for more vegetable farms, though that's just only a thought as the actual implementation of that would be pure FA, esp given how the social, culture, political and demographics are tied to agriculture as it is in Ireland. The fact that there's many representatives of the farming community (ICMSA, IFA, Macra etc.) attests to this. The European Commission slammed Ireland's agriculture sector as the biggest contributor to national emissions (around 30%) yet the government are doing nothing significant to offset this, they'd rather obfuscate than bring about meaningful changes to agricultural practice. Emissions are projected to increase more.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-will-miss-climate-targets-by-more-than-expected-1.3280630

Welfare around battery hens for eggs and meat, as well as the pig industry isn't great. Even opting for free-range eggs can be suspect (how is it regulated?), I only know for definitive that my butcher's supply are def free-range, likewise the meat too. Btw for anyone that thinks class A = free range, maybe have a rethink of that...had a friend who thought this.

No mention of fish, what about them? Not much of a fishing industry here and fish farms aren't sustainable either really, and inland fish farms are cost prohibitive afaik (there's one in Goatsbridge, Kilkenny but dunno of any other ones).

There was a study done by UC Davis, which said you don't need to go full on vegan to have a sustainable diet, just one where you have a reduced amount of animal protein - like vegetarian or the "Mediterranean diet" - you don't need to have meat everyday, maybe 2-4 days/week would suffice, I'm not too sure. But we don't need it so much as an adult compared to a growing child.
Granted that's only one study done on this subject, but it's data pretty much rings true in terms of healthy diet guidelines recommended by doctors, dietitians etc. so not a bad idea to follow for that reason alone.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/diet-helps-fight-climate-change/

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It's ok.cows are vegetarian so your just eating veggies when eating that steak:)

gozunda

Chad Angry Sword wrote: »

The environmental impact of producing most animal protein is pretty similar, whether it's milk and eggs or chicken and lamb. Beef is a lot worse. The difference between beef and other animal protein is much greater than the difference between other animal protein and vegetable protein.[i/]
I'm not convinced that animal farming for meat is necessarily worse than animal farming for eggs or dairy in terms of animal welfare. Pigs are the exception here, as they almost always live in horrible conditions.
Meh bored now. You get the general point, probably. Not going to bother defending the accuracy of anything I just said, you can google as easily as I can... Probably should in fact as I might have remembered something incorrectly.
Discuss!

Looks like you're reading way too much vegan propaganda websites there Chad Angry Sword

:rolleyes:

The problem with those type of generalities is that most of that vegan type thunking is loosely based on US intensive agriculture practices only. This is then spread to the rest of the world as the new gospel according to the extreme vegans brigade

You can’t just assume that a vegetarian / vegan diet will reduce your carbon footprint or magically improve the environment...

See:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/18/being-a-vegetarian-might-make-you-feel-environmentally-superior-why-that-may-be-wrong/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ee492062e96a

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/veganism-environment-veganuary-friendly-food-diet-damage-hodmedods-protein-crops-jack-monroe-a8177541.html

Oh and all that vegan food stuffs? They ain't doing the planet any good either

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/18/california-central-valley-sinking-arsenic-water-farming-agriculture

The one thing for sure is that veganism largely depends on economic security, access to cheap imported food and the freedom to adopt an 'identity. There is truths in that imo.

prinzeugen

Chad Angry Sword wrote: »

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No. This not a question on a junior cert exam paper.