New NCT rules/standards incoming

paulbok · 05-08-2018 8:35am #1

I've had a local mechanic tell me that there are new regulations/rules/ standards coming in for the NCT from Aug 13th, but haven't seen anything else online about it. Is this BS?
He didn't have any details on what they actually are.

Atlantic Dawn · 05-08-2018 8:39am

May seems to be the last change...
https://www.ncts.ie/1115

Gumbo · 05-08-2018 9:06am

paulbok wrote: »

I've had a local mechanic tell me that there are new regulations/rules/ standards coming in for the NCT from Aug 13th, but haven't seen anything else online about it. Is this BS?
He didn't have any details on what they actually are.

What are thes rules / regs ?

paulbok · 05-08-2018 9:24am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

May seems to be the last change...
https://www.ncts.ie/1115

From that link look like this might be it

3. Categorisation of deficiencies into Minor, Major & Dangerous

Under the new directive, defects will be classified as minor, major or dangerous and will appear in this format on your Vehicle Inspection Report from August 2018. Further information on this change will follow in due course.

Cantona's Collars · 05-08-2018 9:33am

A local mechanic was saying that the NCT are trying to do away with people going for the test and getting a list of faults then getting them fixed for retest.
Minor stuff is okay but anything major that's deemed dangerous will have to be fixed before presenting for testing. Basically they'll assume that if you are driving around in a car that has something serious wrong like damage to ball joints or wishbones you should notice something is wrong and not to keep driving and waiting for the NCT to tell you that you've a problem.

mickdw · 05-08-2018 9:38am

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

A local mechanic was saying that the NCT are trying to do away with people going for the test and getting a list of faults then getting them fixed for retest.
Minor stuff is okay but anything major that's deemed dangerous will have to be fixed before presenting for testing. Basically they'll assume that if you are driving around in a car that has something serious wrong like damage to ball joints or wishbones you should notice something is wrong and not to keep driving and waiting for the NCT to tell you that you've a problem.

I guess they will be furthering the fail dangerous idea to try to achieve that meaning if you turn up with a sh1t box, you will have to trailer it home.
Might be time to get into the car haulage business.

Cantona's Collars · 05-08-2018 9:45am

mickdw wrote: »

I guess they will be furthering the fail dangerous idea to try to achieve that meaning if you turn up with a sh1t box, you will have to trailer it home.
Might be time to get into the car haulage business.

Basically, they can find faults that a driver might not notice and that's okay but if you turn up in a junker then it's a no-go.
Personal responsibility comes into it rather than getting them to tell you the wheels are falling off your car.

Dakota Dan · 05-08-2018 9:46am

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

A local mechanic was saying that the NCT are trying to do away with people going for the test and getting a list of faults then getting them fixed for retest.
Minor stuff is okay but anything major that's deemed dangerous will have to be fixed before presenting for testing. Basically they'll assume that if you are driving around in a car that has something serious wrong like damage to ball joints or wishbones you should notice something is wrong and not to keep driving and waiting for the NCT to tell you that you've a problem.

Hmm, a local mechanic you say?

Cantona's Collars · 05-08-2018 9:52am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Hmm, a local mechanic you say?

His business is across the road from the test centre. Someone must have told him something.

Imagine going into a test centre and being told it's dangerous and failed then getting into the car and driving off.
A bit like the driving test,go take it,fail and continue driving anyway until the next test.

M7roadrunner · 05-08-2018 10:14am

I have heard that a few defects are to be changed to different categories and there will be a lot more in the ‘Fail Dangerous’ category, meaning the car haulage business will get a boost as said before when cars will have to be lifted from the nct centre.
No harm if you ask me.

V8 Interceptor · 05-08-2018 10:29am

Guys in office jobs that have to be seen to be doing something. Even if everything was fine they'd have to keep coming up with extra stuff to justify their salaries.

Dakota Dan · 05-08-2018 11:04am

M7roadrunner wrote: »

I have heard that a few defects are to be changed to different categories and there will be a lot more in the ‘Fail Dangerous’ category, meaning the car haulage business will get a boost as said before when cars will have to be lifted from the nct centre.
No harm if you ask me.

I know a man that bought a car for his daughter when he took it for nct they put a sticker on it do not drive, he waited around for half an hour wondering what to do. He ripped the sticker off and drove it home.

Dakota Dan · 05-08-2018 11:06am

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

His business is across the road from the test centre. Someone must have told him something.

Imagine going into a test centre and being told it's dangerous and failed then getting into the car and driving off.
A bit like the driving test,go take it,fail and continue driving anyway until the next test.

So if you fail the driving test you should give up driving until the next test?

Isambard · 05-08-2018 8:55pm

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

His business is across the road from the test centre. Someone must have told him something.

Imagine going into a test centre and being told it's dangerous and failed then getting into the car and driving off.
A bit like the driving test,go take it,fail and continue driving anyway until the next test.

I don't suppose he'd rather you brought the car to him before the NCT would he?

paddysdream · 06-08-2018 8:13am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I know a man that bought a car for his daughter when he took it for nct they put a sticker on it do not drive, he waited around for half an hour wondering what to do. He ripped the sticker off and drove it home.

Happened me with DOE test.
Tester told me wagon failed on a few bits,mainly suspension wear and a loose door hinge etc.Also one of the four bolts joining the driveshaft was missing a nut.
Never saw the big red sticker on windscreen until following cay after driving it home.

The do not drive notice was for the missing nut according to the fail sheet.

dingding · 06-08-2018 3:59pm

If you have a valid NCT and not expired say a month or so left and you go for a NCT. No matter what they find don't you still have a valid NCT.

It supprises me how something can go from passed to S**t box in one year unless it gets mad abuse.

artanevilla · 06-08-2018 4:04pm

12 August new rules coming in apparently. Supposed to be getting a lot stricter but wasn't given any specifics.

wonski · 06-08-2018 4:04pm

dingding wrote: »

If you have a valid NCT and not expired say a month or so left and you go for a NCT. No matter what they find don't you still have a valid NCT.

It supprises me how something can go from passed to S**t box in one year unless it gets mad abuse.

Many things can go wrong in a year. Very wrong.

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-08-2018 4:09pm

This won't be a racket at all.

Charles Babbage · 06-08-2018 4:13pm

Patww79 wrote: »

This won't be a racket at all.

No, it won't. But this won't stop people coming on here saying it is.

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-08-2018 4:16pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

No, it won't. But this won't stop people coming on here saying it is.

When something is subjective and unquestionable then it's very open to it.

CiniO · 06-08-2018 5:10pm

paddysdream wrote: »

Happened me with DOE test.
Tester told me wagon failed on a few bits,mainly suspension wear and a loose door hinge etc.Also one of the four bolts joining the driveshaft was missing a nut.
Never saw the big red sticker on windscreen until following cay after driving it home.

The do not drive notice was for the missing nut according to the fail sheet.

If that was the case, then you could have crawl under the car and fit new nut, and then fully legally drive away tearing the sticker off.

CiniO · 06-08-2018 5:13pm

dingding wrote: »

If you have a valid NCT and not expired say a month or so left and you go for a NCT. No matter what they find don't you still have a valid NCT.

You do. But if they find dangerous fault then you can't drive the car even though it has valid NCT.

grogi · 06-08-2018 5:46pm

CiniO wrote: »

You do. But if they find dangerous fault then you can't drive the car even though it has valid NCT.

One can't drive the car if is is not roadworthy. Even if it has NCT and nothing was found during the test. The fact the tester found something and is letting the owner know about is to the owner's benefit.

Driving with the sticker would be gross negligence and basis for a lot of insurance hassle should anything goes wrong...

SCOOP 64 · 06-08-2018 6:06pm

It all depends on the tester what he sees as dangerous to drive, my failed on front suspension imbalance would that be dangerous to drive, otherwise you could have a string of cars waiting for tow trucks.

wonski · 06-08-2018 6:19pm

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

It all depends on the tester what he sees as dangerous to drive, my failed on front suspension imbalance would that be dangerous to drive, otherwise you could have a string of cars waiting for tow trucks.

There are specific fail dangerous items that warrant the sticker.

Bonnet catch, leaking petrol tank, defective tires, defective brakes.... That's all in manual.

Just because the car fails on suspension doesn't mean it is directly dangerous to be driven back home.

mikeecho · 06-08-2018 6:25pm

Any car can be defective, yet safe to drive.

It's only when it's Dangerously defective, then it's an issue.

Eric Cartman · 06-08-2018 6:40pm

the UK DVLA have a great system where you can check a cars MOT history. I really think we should look at bringing that in here. The amount of times you see cars that people use the NCT/MOT as basically a 'what amount of maintenance do I have to do this year' is unbelievable.

You have the group of people who whinge about failing the NCT and usually the car is in rag order with no service history etc... its generally a very fair test and is really only testing the minimum of what is acceptable to drive a car on the road.

Pkiernan · 06-08-2018 8:58pm

Hopefully they'll crackdown on the dirtbirds who cut out their DPFs

V8 Interceptor · 08-08-2018 4:30pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the UK DVLA have a great system where you can check a cars MOT history. I really think we should look at bringing that in here.

There's talk of scrapping the MOT over there.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/994664/MOT-test-scrapped-car-UK

grogi · 08-08-2018 4:35pm

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

There's talk of scrapping the MOT over there.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/994664/MOT-test-scrapped-car-UK

The remark wasn't about MOT being great, but being able to see MOT history online.

Nevertheless, getting rid of any test is simply ridiculous. MOT is stupid, NCT is much better in here.

reubenreuben · 08-08-2018 4:36pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the UK DVLA have a great system where you can check a cars MOT history. I really think we should look at bringing that in here. The amount of times you see cars that people use the NCT/MOT as basically a 'what amount of maintenance do I have to do this year' is unbelievable.

You have the group of people who whinge about failing the NCT and usually the car is in rag order with no service history etc... its generally a very fair test and is really only testing the minimum of what is acceptable to drive a car on the road.

Agree, but the nct is flawed. Cars with worn out shockers can still pass.

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2016/0421/783459-investigation-finds-major-flaws-in-nct-system/

Isambard · 08-08-2018 5:59pm

it's only talk.

Del2005 · 08-08-2018 7:31pm

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

There's talk of scrapping the MOT over there.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/994664/MOT-test-scrapped-car-UK

The proposers reasoning on why to get rid of the MOT is because vehicles have got safer. They are only safer if they are maintained and the MOT, and our NCT, ensure that they are safe. I remember the sh1t boxes that used to be on the road, looking at the road though the floor was fun but as I was only a child I didn't know how dangerous it was.

V8 Interceptor · 08-08-2018 11:15pm

Del2005 wrote: »

The proposers reasoning on why to get rid of the MOT is because vehicles have got safer. They are only safer if they are maintained and the MOT, and our NCT, ensure that they are safe.

An NCT that the insurance Companies have made a mockery of.

mgbgt1978 · 09-08-2018 3:41am

DaDumTish wrote: »

my car used average 1 litre per 14 k

so 10000k a year = 714 litres

at .86 euro a litre petrol tax

= 614 approx euro per 10000 km

so approx 61 euro per 1000km in petrol tax as well as 200 a year motor tax

...wrong Thread I'd say.

Atlantic Dawn · 09-08-2018 6:26am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

An NCT that the insurance Companies have made a mockery of.

Funny thing is the MOT in the UK is more open to fraud yet they have no similar insurance problems over there for older cars.

mickuhaha · 09-08-2018 6:40am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

An NCT that the insurance Companies have made a mockery of.

Well in Ireland claims are nearly 3 times higher than the UK. The UK set up mib in the 50s and per population that have a third less uninsured driver claims compared to Ireland. Not the NCT fault Irish insurance companies won't insure old cars .

V8 Interceptor · 09-08-2018 7:32am

Agreed Mick. I don't blame the NCT. Its concept is being undermined by other influences.

4ensic15 · 03-10-2018 8:00am

Del2005 wrote: »

The proposers reasoning on why to get rid of the MOT is because vehicles have got safer. They are only safer if they are maintained and the MOT, and our NCT, ensure that they are safe. I remember the sh1t boxes that used to be on the road, looking at the road though the floor was fun but as I was only a child I didn't know how dangerous it was.

How was looking at the road through the floor any more dangerous than looking at the road through a window?

hi5 · 03-10-2018 8:43am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

An NCT that the insurance Companies have made a mockery of.

It's nothing to do with the NCT.
Old cars were being bought cheaply, insured and then used in staged accidents, so the insurance companies simply load or refuse to insure old cars.
Nuts and sledgehammers come to mind.

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-10-2018 5:04pm

hi5 wrote: »

It's nothing to do with the NCT.
Old cars were being bought cheaply, insured and then used in staged accidents, so the insurance companies simply load or refuse to insure old cars.
Nuts and sledgehammers come to mind.

That's not why they did it. They did it because they could gouge us even further and were let do it.

Must be the only unregulated industry in the world.

Atlantic Dawn · 03-10-2018 6:19pm

hi5 wrote: »

It's nothing to do with the NCT.
Old cars were being bought cheaply, insured and then used in staged accidents, so the insurance companies simply load or refuse to insure old cars.
Nuts and sledgehammers come to mind.

They could have simply not quoted on any old car that was not owned by someone looking for a quote for 1 year, this would have knocked it on the head.

SCOOP 64 · 03-10-2018 6:32pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They could have simply not quoted on any old car that was not owned by someone looking for a quote for 1 year, this would have knocked it on the head.

Agreed with this, had my 98 must be now 8 yrs so why refuse to quote me.

Dartz · 03-10-2018 7:29pm

I wonder how many cars would rattle out with a valid NCT sticker....

And get shown the door by the MOT, the ADAC test or the Shaken in Japan.

That said. Last time out I failed not because of the (removed) Cat, or the shocks that had 'not for road use' on them, but because the door protectors had red reflectors on it.

selectamatic · 03-10-2018 7:54pm

I'd say the nct is stricter than the mot

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-10-2018 7:56pm

selectamatic wrote: »

I'd say the nct is stricter than the mot

It definitely is. Than the NCT-style Northern Irish MOT anyway.

mgbgt1978 · 04-10-2018 9:21pm

Patww79 wrote: »

That's not why they did it. They did it because they could gouge us even further and were let do it.

Must be the only unregulated industry in the world.

Very true. The Government have said that they cannot get involved in the Motor Insurance industry (private companies, etc.) ......yet they had absolutely no problem charging into the Voluntary Health Insurance Industry and calling the shots.

New NCT rules/standards incoming

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