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Survey for LGBT Migrants

  • 02-08-2018 6:50am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,189 ✭✭✭✭


    The NXF has a survey for LGBT Migrants to fill in

    https://gcn.ie/aims/


    https://youtu.be/38XEIpbBJy0

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,409 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    The results for this survey have now been released.

    https://gcn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/nxf-migrants-report-screen.pdf

    The key findings of the survey are shown below. (The negative experiences table on page 42 was an eye opener too)


    Coming to Ireland
    1) The most common reasons among migrants for coming to Ireland are to work, study and to find greater acceptance as a member of the LGBT community.
    2) For many, seeking greater acceptance also means escaping serious risks to their safety and lives.
    3) The vast majority of participants said they intended to stay in Ireland (84%).

    Health
    1) Over half (57%) of the participants rated their mental health negatively.
    2) Almost three-quarters (74%) of those surveyed rated their physical health negatively.
    3) Symptoms of anxiety and depression were particularly prevalent, with 20% of the migrants having either severe or extremely severe levels of these symptoms.

    Social Connection
    1) Critically, over half (54%) of all those surveyed do not feel that they are included in Irish society.
    2) Those who identify as queer (as opposed to homosexual or pan/bisexual), those who are genderqueer, genderfluid or non-binary in gender and those of an African background feel the most marginalised.
    3) There are many LGBT migrants living in rural areas where there are currently no LGBT community resources available to them.

    Stigma
    1) 40% of participants said they have experienced some form of homophobia since arriving in Ireland.
    2) Being subjected to racist behaviour is common in both public and – to a lesser extent – in LGBT-specific spaces and is most common for those with African or Asian backgrounds. For example, 66% of participants indicated they have felt treated with less respect in public spaces spaces because of their race, ethnicity or migrant status
    3) While there are many positive aspects to Ireland’s LGBT community for migrants, it’s clear that it can be difficult for this group to access its limited resources.

    Integration and Acceptance
    1) Most participants also described having positive experiences socially and described Ireland as being a welcoming, friendly, inclusive, safe and tolerant society overall.
    2) For many of the LGBT migrants in this survey, there was a strong sense that living in Ireland allowed them to be themselves and this had a positive impact on both their personal and professional development.

    Recommendations for Action
    1) Major areas for reform highlighted by participants included hate crime legislation, healthcare and supporting the most marginalised groups within our LGBT community such as asylum seekers.
    2) It was suggested that LGBT groups, organisations and enterprises need to provide a more diverse and accessible range of events; not just those designed exclusively around ‘partying’ and the consumption of alcohol.
    3) The most pressing changes that the participants in this study would like to see addressed by the Irish government were an easier and more efficient process for LGBT asylum seekers entering the country and an end to the current direct provision system.
    4) Other priorities identified by LGBT migrants as needing urgent government attention were improved access to healthcare – including mental health services – better channels of information about LGBT services, housing and increased investment in LGBT support organisations, particularly within rural areas.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,198 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Very interesting findings. Housing issues and problems accessing decent accommodation must be a major concern for immigrants.

    Anecdotal evidence suggests a very sizeable Brazillian gay male community in Dublin now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,575 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    Anecdotal evidence suggests a very sizeable Brazillian gay male community in Dublin now.

    I was in Dublin at the weekend. I didn't visit any gay social establishments but I did walk around the city particularly round Temple bar and Georges st area and immediately I was stuck by the number of strapping Brazilian lads power walking round that area in significant numbers. I wonder what line of work they are in? Massage services maybe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,909 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Ireland offers Brazillians the option of working 'part time' while on their 'student' visa, which isn't an option if they go to the UK. So basically they register with some bogus English school and work full time while living 10 to a flat. It's a gaping hole in our immigration system that needs to be closed. Grindr now appears to have a Brazillian majority in Central Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    What is the value of the study, I wonder.
    Gcn said the area required further investigation.
    So they secured funding for a survey.

    Where does that get you.
    I don't see much value in it to be honest.

    It is based on 231 responants.
    That seems a tiny number to give any big picture.

    "Most LGBT migrants in the study were British" the report says, then it goes on to say "48% were from EU countries with the remainder coming mainly from the UK , Poland, France, Italy and Spain".

    That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Did the authors even read the report before it was published.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    AllForIt wrote: »
    I was in Dublin at the weekend. I didn't visit any gay social establishments but I did walk around the city particularly round Temple bar and Georges st area and immediately I was stuck by the number of strapping Brazilian lads power walking round that area in significant numbers. I wonder what line of work they are in? Massage services maybe?

    All sorts of services alright, massage, shop work, child care, rickshaw driving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Ireland offers Brazillians the option of working 'part time' while on their 'student' visa, which isn't an option if they go to the UK. So basically they register with some bogus English school and work full time while living 10 to a flat. It's a gaping hole in our immigration system that needs to be closed. Grindr now appears to have a Brazillian majority in Central Dublin.

    Are students migrants, in the description of the report a migrant is described as "someone who has left their home country to live in another country".

    Is a student a migrant. In these terms a student is a migrant.

    Are 'students' coming to Ireland to learn English migrants.
    That's a question for general information not a question to you cgcsb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,909 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    imme wrote: »
    Are students migrants, in the description of the report a migrant is described as "someone who has left their home country to live in another country".

    Is a student a migrant. In these terms a student is a migrant.

    Are 'students' coming to Ireland to learn English migrants.
    That's a question for general information not a question to you cgcsb.

    Well I think so. Migrating to a country doesn't mean you're there forever, never to return, it means you are changing the country in which you are ordinarily resident


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,189 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    imme wrote: »
    What is the value of the study, I wonder.
    Gcn said the area required further investigation.
    So they secured funding for a survey.

    Where does that get you.
    I don't see much value in it to be honest.

    It is based on 231 responants.
    That seems a tiny number to give any big picture.

    "Most LGBT migrants in the study were British" the report says, then it goes on to say "48% were from EU countries with the remainder coming mainly from the UK , Poland, France, Italy and Spain".

    That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Did the authors even read the report before it was published.

    I think there certainly is value in the study. It looks at what services might be needed e.g. lgbt people who are refugees or in direct provision might need specific counselling, there may be areas where lgbt groups could do more integration work, there could be specific sexual health needs with a lot of brazilians.

    There may have been some misinterpretation of the report there. Given that the report was written by 2 people with PHDs I doubt your theory they never read it.

    http://nxf.ie/press-releases/far-from-home-life-as-an-lgbt-migrant-in-ireland/

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    JupiterKid wrote:
    Very interesting findings. Housing issues and problems accessing decent accommodation must be a major concern for immigrants.


    Didn't you hear that housing issues are also problematic for Irish people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,189 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    TCM wrote: »
    Didn't you hear that housing issues are also problematic for Irish people.

    Yeah. Talk about stating the obvious.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    Yeah. Talk about stating the obvious.

    Profound.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,189 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    TCM wrote: »
    Profound.

    Whatever

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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