Living in a camper van or motor home on farmland

chimneyfield

If someone is living in a camper van or motor home on farmland, without planning permission, and it becomes known to the County Council and/or Gardai, what are the legal and practical consequences?

Viscount Aggro

No, but I know a few people who are living in farm sheds. Inside the shed is a house, with stealth windows on side and roof, perspex corrugated type.

Dont need planning permission for a farm shed.

Glass fused light

chimneyfield wrote: »

If someone is living in a camper van or motor home on farmland, without planning permission, and it becomes known to the County Council and/or Gardai, what are the legal and practical consequences?

The Gardai will not become involved if the person has permission from the landowner to be there.

The council can start enforcement against the landowner on planning grounds and could send the enviromental sections to check on waste disposal which would be the responsibility of both landowner and the resident.

Glass fused light

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

No, but I know a few people who are living in farm sheds. Inside the shed is a house, with stealth windows on side and roof, perspex corrugated type.

Dont need planning permission for a farm shed.

You may wish to google the Planning and Development Acts before assigning a full stop rather than a question mark to the last statement.

BryanF

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

No, but I know a few people who are living in farm sheds. Inside the shed is a house, with stealth windows on side and roof, perspex corrugated type.

Dont need planning permission for a farm shed.

Habitable spaces are not shed. They need planning

corco2000

What are stealth windows

corco2000

Depends how long they living n it. You are entitled to stay in caravan for a short period of time. I'd imagine enforcement be notified they may take action if deemed serious.

endacl

corco2000 wrote: »

What are stealth windows

Windows with a negligible radar profile.

Gumbo

corco2000 wrote: »

Depends how long they living n it.

Incorrect. Habitable use can be enforced at any time.

corco2000 wrote: »

You are entitled to stay in caravan for a short period of time.

Incorrect, you can store a caravan for a certain period of time, but the moment it becomes habitable, it is unauthorized.

corco2000 wrote: »

I'd imagine enforcement be notified they may take action if deemed serious.

Not if serious, they will commence with enforcement proceedings within their statutory time frame (after 4 weeks of the land owner receiving the Section 152 Warning).

corco2000

Are you not permitted to camp for a limited 30 days per year. This was discussed on a previous post.

Gumbo

corco2000 wrote: »

Are you not permitted to camp for a limited 30 days per year. This was discussed on a previous post.

I'm open to correction, but my opinion is that a caravan / Mobile home placed within the curtilage of an existing dwelling cannot be habitable unless there is planning in place to allow that use on the lands (caravan sites/camp sites etc)

Class 8 of our Exempted Development Regulations :

No Caravan, campervan or boat shall be so kept or stored for more than 9 months in any year or occupied as a dwelling while so kept or stored.

corco2000

PART 3
Article 6
Exempted Development — Rural
Column 1
Description of Development
Column 2
Conditions and Limitations
Limited use for camping
CLASS 1
Temporary use of any land for the placing of
any tent, campervan or caravan or for the
mooring of any boat, barge or other vessel
used for the purpose of camping.
1. Not more than one tent, campervan
or caravan shall be placed within 100
metres of another tent, campervan or
caravan at any time.
2. No tent, campervan, caravan or
vessel shall remain on the land for a
period greater than 10 days.

Gumbo

corco2000 wrote: »

PART 3
Article 6
Exempted Development — Rural
Column 1
Description of Development
Column 2
Conditions and Limitations
Limited use for camping
CLASS 1
Temporary use of any land for the placing of
any tent, campervan or caravan or for the
mooring of any boat, barge or other vessel
used for the purpose of camping.
1. Not more than one tent, campervan
or caravan shall be placed within 100
metres of another tent, campervan or
caravan at any time.
2. No tent, campervan, caravan or
vessel shall remain on the land for a
period greater than 10 days.

One would then need to clarify the definition of camping in order to work out if that can be considered habitable if it’s someone actively living there rather than a camping holiday/break as such.

Limitations 3&4 were left out of your post.

Column 2 Conditions and Limitations
1. Not more than one tent, campervan or caravan shall be placed within 100 metres of another tent, campervan or caravan at any time.
2. No tent, campervan, caravan or vessel shall remain on the land for a period greater than 10 days.
3. No tent, campervan, caravan or vessel shall be used for the storage, display, advertisement or sale of goods or for the purposes of any business.
4. No tent, campervan or caravan shall be placed on land within 50 metres of any public road unless the land is enclosed by a wall, bank or hedge, or any combination thereof, having an average height of not less than 1.5 metres.

corco2000

It's informative and interesting discussion. Id love to know if anyone has ever had a notice served for having a caravan stored for longer than 9mnths on driveway!!
Regardless of enforcement I wouldn't like to live in one for too long especially winter. Be miserable.

Gumbo

corco2000 wrote: »

It's informative and interesting discussion. Id love to know if anyone has ever had a notice served for having a caravan stored for longer than 9mnths on driveway!!
Regardless of enforcement I wouldn't like to live in one for too long especially winter. Be miserable.

I haven’t been involved in any enforcements for the storing of a camper / caravan, but I have for people that were allegedly living in them. Quite recently too, with the most recent one in north Dublin this week.

chimneyfield

BryanF wrote: »

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

No, but I know a few people who are living in farm sheds. Inside the shed is a house, with stealth windows on side and roof, perspex corrugated type.

Dont need planning permission for a farm shed.

Habitable spaces are not shed. They need planning

If canvasing politicians see the house through an open shed door and report it to the planning authorities what would be the consequences?

Gumbo

chimneyfield wrote: »

If canvasing politicians see the house through an open shed door and report it to the planning authorities what would be the consequences?

Enforcement action.
They may give you an opertunity to apply for retention to keep it.
If that’s refused then removal of structure.

chimneyfield

Can you live in a caravan in your own farm shed?

Ginger83

kceire wrote: »

I haven’t been involved in any enforcements for the storing of a camper / caravan, but I have for people that were allegedly living in them. Quite recently too, with the most recent one in north Dublin this week.

Someone plonked 1 in a side garden near us. Everyone needs a place to live but their using a newly made entrance 5 or 6 metres from a junction.

Gumbo

chimneyfield wrote: »

Can you live in a caravan in your own farm shed?

You’ve answered your own question I think

Caravan within a shed, I would think not.

Ginger83

chimneyfield wrote: »

Can you live in a caravan in your own farm shed?

Is it something you are planning?

Gumbo

Ginger83 wrote: »

Someone plonked 1 in a side garden near us. Everyone needs a place to live but their using a newly made entrance 5 or 6 metres from a junction.

I can understand. The thing is though, the planning authority don’t go around looking for these issues. They act on complaints only. If someone has a problem, they will report it.

Ginger83

kceire wrote: »

I can understand. The thing is though, the planning authority don’t go around looking for these issues. They act on complaints only. If someone has a problem, they will report it.

Ah they're doing no harm. Just hope they don't cause an accident.