Advice on new trailing shoe slurry tank.

Johndeere6620

Hey, new here first time posting so forgive me if I make any mistakes!

We have a 6620 as our main tractor, round 125 hp and it handles 2000gal tank with big wheels no bother. But I'm will be up grading to trailing shoe. Thinking of going 2500 or 2700(if I'm brave enough) with the view being I'll upgrade to 150hp tractor down the line.

Will the trailing shoe take a lot more power to drive?
Which make is the best from a user point of. Eg number of spools to operate it.
Also there's an option for an 8inch auto fill. Speeds up filling.
I honestly don't know what to chose so looking for your advice as this will be a tank that will probably see me out and I would to like to get it right re the spec

Thanks you for reading

SuperTortoise

Has anyone priced them lately?

grange mac

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Has anyone priced them lately?

Joskin is Mercedes of them only 52k...think Abbey same system at 36k....get some advice on choppers in them...inflow & outflows...esp how to clear blockages....some of them a disaster to clear if they get blocked with grass...hence optional inflow choppers. Dyor.

blue5000

Welcome to boards.
Hi-spec was in or around 45k, depending on options, at grass and muck. Bomech make the trailing shoes for them. There's a fair oil flow needed to work the chopper, maybe 40L per minute, not 100% sure on that figure though.

Cattlepen

Have you much slurry to spread?

Johndeere6620

Cattlepen wrote: »

Have you much slurry to spread?

Maybe 200000 gals of slurry at a guess with dairy washings included.

Johndeere6620

At the moment I'm leaning very much to the Conor tank. 2500 gal. Seems to be competitive. Can't seem to find anyone local running a bigger tank on a single axle. Also most new tankers are Conor so don't have any feed back on other makes.

This is because the next nearest dealer is 30miles away selling different makes.

Also happened to price a trade in the 6620....it's mega money to upgrade

boherboy

Hi there john deere 6620

My brother in law has just taken delivery of a new major 2600 trailing shoe, it has a in and out chopper it takes 3 spools plus a couple return and load sensing fittings to operate, the biggest thing he says about it is the weight of tractor in front of it to pull it safely when full and to make sure to get the double chopper or your heart will be broke from blockages.

orm0nd

Johndeere6620 wrote: »

At the moment I'm leaning very much to the Conor tank. 2500 gal. Seems to be competitive. Can't seem to find anyone local running a bigger tank on a single axle. Also most new tankers are Conor so don't have any feed back on other makes.

This is because the next nearest dealer is 30miles away selling different makes.

Also happened to price a trade in the 6620....it's mega money to upgrade

All I see about Conor is that very few people buy off them the second time. 2 local contractors bought new Conor tanks a few years back. They didn't keep the tanks too long 1 bought a major and the other bought an Abbey

boherboy

Hi there john deere 6620

My brother in law has just taken delivery of a new major 2600 trailing shoe, it has a in and out chopper it takes 3 spools plus a couple return and load sensing fittings to operate, the biggest thing he says about it is the weight of tractor in front of it to pull it safely when full and to make sure to get the double chopper or your heart will be broke from blockages.

rs8

Drove a abbey (25000g) a few times on a tm 140!! Drove it no problem was the normal masarator and was very easy drive, oil pressure was turned down very low and still putting out slurry!! 3 spools needed!! Wrost case you will have to get your tractor chipped and a front set of weights!!

Johndeere6620

rs8 wrote: »

Drove a abbey (25000g) a few times on a tm 140!! Drove it no problem was the normal masarator and was very easy drive, oil pressure was turned down very low and still putting out slurry!! 3 spools needed!! Wrost case you will have to get your tractor chipped and a front set of weights!!

I could keep the 6620 and buy a Tm 155 (cheap one) and spend money on it as I need to as in when it breaks down. Might be a better option.

Is it easy the put on and take off the trailing shoe? Abbey are probably the best tank but the price I've heard for them is kinda ruling them out.

Johndeere6620

boherboy wrote: »

Hi there john deere 6620

My brother in law has just taken delivery of a new major 2600 trailing shoe, it has a in and out chopper it takes 3 spools plus a couple return and load sensing fittings to operate, the biggest thing he says about it is the weight of tractor in front of it to pull it safely when full and to make sure to get the double chopper or your heart will be broke from blockages.

I could buy a full set of weights for the 6620 for the moment. Is he happy with tank. Is it the alpine range? I really like the major tank.

If going 2600 I might as well go 2750. Would filling the tank to around the 2000 mark be a runner if ground conditions are far from ideal.

Is taking on and off the trailing shoe easy? To reduce weight in the spring time?

rs8

Johndeere6620 wrote: »

I could keep the 6620 and buy a Tm 155 (cheap one) and spend money on it as I need to as in when it breaks down. Might be a better option.

Is it easy the put on and take off the trailing shoe? Abbey are probably the best tank but the price I've heard for them is kinda ruling them out.

Yea well buying another tractor thats all going to depend on your own set up ... !! Yes never seen it done but boss said 15 mins (he runs it on the pipe system when the main one comes under pressure) but it doesnt look very heavy to be honest if you were going to get stuck i couldnt see it being the little diffrence

Panch18

Are you talking single or tandem axle?

I think once you get to 2,500 or above you need to be lookin at tandem

Also bear in mind the new trailer regulations. Would you be compliant on 2750 on a single axle? Would you be in the future?

If doing road work tandem would be way better, and easier for the 6620 to handle it

Johndeere6620

Panch18 wrote: »

Are you talking single or tandem axle?

I think once you get to 2,500 or above you need to be lookin at tandem

Also bear in mind the new trailer regulations. Would you be compliant on 2750 on a single axle? Would you be in the future?

If doing road work tandem would be way better, and easier for the 6620 to handle it

Single axle I think tandem is a mighty job for rd work but I don't do more than 2miles and the extra axle in a wet spring would make it hard to handle.

Think slurry tankers are exempt from trailer regs re weight on one axle. I don't see that changing and if it does it's going to be every tank made after a certain date

Johndeere6620

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q6AtQdCVt0k

New abbey tank. Think he says in the clip the tyres are 900R32

Is that 36inch in old money. That's a massive tyre under a tank and one I didnt know you could get for them

Johndeere6620

rs8 wrote: »

Yea well buying another tractor thats all going to depend on your own set up ... !! Yes never seen it done but boss said 15 mins (he runs it on the pipe system when the main one comes under pressure) but it doesnt look very heavy to be honest if you were going to get stuck i couldnt see it being the little diffrence

I guess the safest place for it is on the tank. Thanks for your input:)

Johndeere6620

Just to update I will be retro fitting a dribble bar to my existing tank. The trade in was poor and my curremt tank is galv so will do me for another few years. Save money and upgrade the tractor is what I've settled on. And get contractor in for the covering the silage grd after first cut. Thanks for all the input!

Panch18

Johndeere6620 wrote: »

Just to update I will be retro fitting a dribble bar to my existing tank. The trade in was poor and my curremt tank is galv so will do me for another few years. Save money and upgrade the tractor is what I've settled on. And get contractor in for the covering the silage grd after first cut. Thanks for all the input!

We’ll need a thread on the tractor upgrade now!!

Snowfire

Johndeere6620 wrote: »

Just to update I will be retro fitting a dribble bar to my existing tank. The trade in was poor and my curremt tank is galv so will do me for another few years. Save money and upgrade the tractor is what I've settled on. And get contractor in for the covering the silage grd after first cut. Thanks for all the input!

What weight will the dribble bar add to the tanker,? What price?

Reggie.

Snowfire wrote: »

What weight will the dribble bar add to the tanker,? What price?

I think they add 600kg to the tanker.

Keep Sluicing

Reggie. wrote: »

I think they add 600kg to the tanker.

Did i hear that a trailing shoe adds 1.5 ton. Depends on the width obviously, but if it right, its a right bit extra.

Reggie.

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

Did i hear that a trailing shoe adds 1.5 ton. Depends on the width obviously, but if it right, its a right bit extra.

I think the dribble bar is 600 but the injection kit is heavier. Could be wrong tho

simx

Reggie. wrote: »

I think they add 600kg to the tanker.

800kg one is here 7m

Reggie.

simx wrote: »

800kg one is here 7m

I'm a little off it seems

simx

Reggie. wrote: »

I'm a little off it seems

Think the one on the major is fairly heavy

Reggie.

simx wrote: »

Think the one on the major is fairly heavy

Do these things knock off the balance of a tanker. Less weight on the tractor rear wheels

simx

Reggie. wrote: »

Do these things knock off the balance of a tanker. Less weight on the tractor rear wheels

The axle is back a bit further, would bounce a bit when empty, pulling it with 90hp

awaywithyou

Reggie. wrote: »

I'm a little off it seems

Put a Mastek dribble bar on tanker during summer.... By all accounts 450kgs is the weight of it....

grizzlyadams

awaywithyou wrote: »

Reggie. wrote: »

I'm a little off it seems

Put a Mastek dribble bar on tanker during summer.... By all accounts 450kgs is the weight of it....

Thinking of doing the same here , what did it cost and what size did you go with , have a 2100 here

roosterman71

What kinda weight/power would ya need to pull and control a 2100/2600 tanker full and with the extra weight of a dribble bar or shoe?

Reggie.

roosterman71 wrote: »

What kinda weight/power would ya need to pull and control a 2100/2600 tanker full and with the extra weight of a dribble bar or shoe?

I'd say your fendt would have no bother

bamayang

Off topic, wouldnt you imagine someone would come up with a farmer-aimed version of the umbilical system. The negatives would be, you would need two tractors and two men to operate it. But going by this forum, seems an awful lot of lads have two tractos and a lot are operating with their fathers.
Could you have a couple of lines of piping left in place going out along to two or 3 directions of the farm, and then join or bridge in wherrever you are planning on spreading. You'd spread land in about 20% of the time (not travelling in and out to refill) and you'd do a fraction of the damage to the ground.

Say my name

bamayang wrote: »

Off topic, wouldnt you imagine someone would come up with a farmer-aimed version of the umbilical system. The negatives would be, you would need two tractors and two men to operate it. But going by this forum, seems an awful lot of lads have two tractos and a lot are operating with their fathers.
Could you have a couple of lines of piping left in place going out along to two or 3 directions of the farm, and then join or bridge in wherrever you are planning on spreading. You'd spread land in about 20% of the time (not travelling in and out to refill) and you'd do a fraction of the damage to the ground.

You can buy static engine driven slurry pumps that you put at the tank and then use your tractor out in field moving the pipe around.

I've also heard of farmers burying permanent slurry pipes from the tanks out to the fields with join stations coming up out of the ground to just hook up a short umbilical.
There's a few farmers now with that system.

awaywithyou

bamayang wrote: »

Off topic, wouldnt you imagine someone would come up with a farmer-aimed version of the umbilical system. The negatives would be, you would need two tractors and two men to operate it. But going by this forum, seems an awful lot of lads have two tractos and a lot are operating with their fathers.
Could you have a couple of lines of piping left in place going out along to two or 3 directions of the farm, and then join or bridge in wherrever you are planning on spreading. You'd spread land in about 20% of the time (not travelling in and out to refill) and you'd do a fraction of the damage to the ground.[/quot

Tom Browne in killeagh has a set up like that.... Ud want serious acreage to justify it....

MASTEK dribble bar contractor version which is the one we got was 12,900inc Vat and it went onto our 2250 Abbey tanker.... Very happy wit it... If ur buying get the contractor version....

Reggie.

Bloody dribble bars are the price of the tankers themselves

simx

roosterman71 wrote: »

What kinda weight/power would ya need to pull and control a 2100/2600 tanker full and with the extra weight of a dribble bar or shoe?

Prob 120/140 ideally, pulling a 2000 gallon with a shoe here with 90hp and it’s working but lacking here and there alright, bigger tractor is on the cards and a loader threw on current one is the future plan