SSE pull out of NBP - last nail in the coffin

Orebro

It's all over

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0728/981672-national-broadband-plan/

Persiancowboy

Hard to see what this crowd were ever bringing to the party. Suspect it was project management skills, as they are not a telco. Death by a thousand cuts...

MrO

Persiancowboy wrote: »

Hard to see what this crowd were ever bringing to the party. Suspect it was project management skills, as they are not a telco. Death by a thousand cuts...

https://ssetelecoms.com/about-sse/our-network/

smelly sock

Time to move to a 4g/5g and satellite solution.

Ultimanemo

smelly sock wrote: »

Time to move to a 4g/5g and satellite solution.

If you can get 5G, you don't need NBP

Marlow

smelly sock wrote: »

Time to move to a 4g/5g and satellite solution.

Satellite is not a viable solution. You've always been able to get that. Anywhere.

5G is not going to happen in rural areas and not for the foreseeable time anyhow. Simply because the operators still haven't paid off their 3G/4G investment and to be honest... most of the time it's not the cell being busy, but the backhaul not being adequate .. this is the same issue Imagine has.

It doesn't matter how well your solution can deliver to the end customer, if you don't have the infrastructure in place to back it up. And let's face it 80%+ of Irish masts do NOT have fiber connectivity.

/M

kaizersoze

Marlow wrote: »

Satellite is not a viable solution. You've always been able to get that. Anywhere.

5G is not going to happen in rural areas and not for the foreseeable time anyhow. Simply because the operators still haven't paid off their 3G/4G investment and to be honest... most of the time it's not the cell being busy, but the backhaul not being adequate .. this is the same issue Imagine has.

It doesn't matter how well your solution can deliver to the end customer, if you don't have the infrastructure in place to back it up. And let's face it 80%+ of Irish masts do NOT have fiber connectivity.

/M

Really?:eek::eek:

Marlow

kaizersoze wrote: »

Really?:eek::eek:

Yes. All connectivity is brought to these masts on licensed links. And that means capacity is limited. You're talking quite an investment to even bring 500+ Mbit/s to site ... if you can get a license for one. So what happens then, if you sell 100+ Mbit/s per customer ? That's why Imagine has these peak time issues, they have.

For example getting any odd licensed link out of Galway City and into rural areas is getting difficult now, as the spectrum is used up.

/M

ED E

That situation is changing though. LTEA sites can provide 225-300Mb per UE so really don't make any sense to deploy until you've got significant transit back to the network.

Marlow

ED E wrote: »

That situation is changing though. LTEA sites can provide 225-300Mb per UE so really don't make any sense to deploy until you've got significant transit back to the network.

That's exactly my point. I know of one particular situation .. and this is Galway City .. where bringing fiber to the mast has been blocked by the farmer that owns the fields around the mast.

This is ongoing 5+ years now. He won't let the backhaul provider trying to bring fiber up there dig ducts down nor place poles .. unless he's compensated handsomely. To the point of it not being viable.

It's not an uncommon scenario. But even if ESB telecoms started deploying fiber to the masts they don't have fiber on yet, it would make a good dent in these issues. Quite a few of their masts don't have fiber. And they wouldn't have that issue as they have duct or overhead cabling in place already.

Mayo is a real issue. There's nothing up there. It's OpenEIR and maybe Aurora upcoming. But trying to get CIE or ESBt fiber up there is not happening in most places. And eNet is charging twice the rates or more on their own dark fiber, what they charge on government MANs. I would expect similar issues in places like Kerry and West Cork and even in the midlands.

The access to carrier grade fiber is very limited once you pass the M50 coming from Dublin.

/M

ED E

Did they ever build the fibre backbone along the corrib gasline? Anyone using it?

Marlow

ED E wrote: »

Did they ever build the fibre backbone along the corrib gasline? Anyone using it?

There's still legal issues with getting access to that to my knowledge. So unless the legislator has sorted that one, it's a non runner.

It is expected (hoped) to be sorted with the Mermaid fiber coming in, as that one would fall flat on it's nose without it.

The emerald fiber ended up being on OpenEIR dark fiber, which left everyone else stranded.

/M