Mustang price in Ireland v US

pawdee

How is it that a brand new Ford Mustang costs about 22,000 euros in the US and 55,000 euros in Ireland? I know we have VRT etc but seriously? Can anyone explain why we're shafted to that extent?

ELM327

Customs, Duty, Vat, VRT (based on emissiions), Shipping

Thats how, i'd guess

Slasher

you're not being shafted - that's just the price of it.

It's probably about €40K in the UK (but I don't know the exact price).

pawdee

Slasher wrote: »

you're not being shafted - that's just the price of it.

It's probably about €40K in the UK (but I don't know the exact price).

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying that for me. I'll just step back in line and assume the position.

bazz26

Not much you can do if you want to buy one here though.

Even taking out the various taxes and duties, the pre tax price Ford sell them for in Europe is alot higher than in the US.

Notch000

22K V 55K is a more thena just a bit of countryt to conuntry variance.
just googled there a golf GTI starts at 26K $ in the US compared to about 38K euros here. But i thing i recall that the US listed prices is just the dealer price and most states have a registration tax on top of the purchase prices and thats not always v transparent

bazz26

It's nothing new. An iphone costs less to buy in the US than it does here too.

road_high

We have massive taxes on all new cars here especially on higher emissions cars like the mustang. It's a sad state of affairs and really limits the world of nice cars we can have (unless super wealthy) and why economy cars prevail. You rarely see even a Porsche or Ferrari or any other super cars here

Philb76

road_high wrote: »

We have massive taxes on all new cars here especially on higher emissions cars like the mustang. It's a sad state of affairs and really limits the world of nice cars we can have (unless super wealthy) and why economy cars prevail. You rarely see even a Porsche or Ferrari or any other super cars here

But we are blessed to have the Hyundai Tucson and Nissan qashquai

Pkiernan

pawdee wrote: »

How is it that a brand new Ford Mustang costs about 22,000 euros in the US and 55,000 euros in Ireland? I know we have VRT etc but seriously? Can anyone explain why we're shafted to that extent?

Govt needs tax to pay for the layabouts

Atlantic Dawn

Pkiernan wrote: »

Govt needs tax to pay for the layabouts

Yes no dole in USA or generous State pensions.

road_high

Philb76 wrote: »

But we are blessed to have the Hyundai Tucson and Nissan qashquai

I think things have gotten worse really- I seem to remember way more small hot hatches and “sports” cars like the Celica , Prelude etc bring relatively common when I was a lad. Most car makers had one or two “fun” cars like that in their range. Motoring was about fun for many people but now the nanny state has pushed everyone into €200 tax econoboxes in the form of SUV crossovers.

Del2005

America is a pro car country and has a massive manufacturing base, so they don't apply punitive taxes on cars. We are an anti car country and have no industry to support, so why apply punitive taxes on cars.


But I'd still rather paying €55k for a Mustang and not go bankrupt if I get sick. Cheap motoring and no health care is what American does

ddarcy

Notch000 wrote: »

22K V 55K is a more thena just a bit of countryt to conuntry variance.
just googled there a golf GTI starts at 26K $ in the US compared to about 38K euros here. But i thing i recall that the US listed prices is just the dealer price and most states have a registration tax on top of the purchase prices and thats not always v transparent

You can also keep it within Ford as well. A Focus base is €25k in Ireland compared to €15k in the US. You have those extras per se, but they will never amount to more than 1.5k and could be a lot less.

Also remember in the US that they actually have finance deals and you can easily haggle 15% off the price with no skills at all new cars are already produced on a lot. So it’s even cheaper than the base price.

For the mustang, I think it’s down to supply and demand. You really have no where to drive it in Ireland, so no one will use it. Add the taxes and insurance your marketing base is people with lots of money. Thus production on right hand drive mustangs will be low. So they will charge a high price knowing that the only people who realistically will get it can afford it.

road_high

Del2005 wrote: »

America is a pro car country and has a massive manufacturing base, so they don't apply punitive taxes on cars. We are an anti car country and have no industry to support, so why apply punitive taxes on cars.


But I'd still rather paying €55k for a Mustang and not go bankrupt if I get sick. Cheap motoring and no health care is what American does

Not entirely true...I live about 15 mins from a large manufacturing company called AutoLaunch who employ hundreds making body parts from some of the worlds top players; http://www.autolaunch.ie/customers/

I'm sure there are lots of others, on the IT side JLR have a place in Shannon. Not to mention all the ancillary services provided for cars.
The reason we/they crucify cars so much is a lot down to the Irish begrudgery psyche- the attitude being if you can afford something nice well you deserve to be punished for it...

Pkiernan

Del2005 wrote: »

America is a pro car country and has a massive manufacturing base, so they don't apply punitive taxes on cars. We are an anti car country and have no industry to support, so why apply punitive taxes on cars.


But I'd still rather paying €55k for a Mustang and not go bankrupt if I get sick. Cheap motoring and no health care is what American does

If you think that poor Americans get worse healthcare than poor Irish people you are sorely mistaken

Peatys

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Yes no dole in USA or generous State pensions.

Cut the dole and we can buy cheap Mustangs?

You get my vote

ELM327

Pkiernan wrote: »

If you think that poor Americans get worse healthcare than poor Irish people you are sorely mistaken

It's not the healthcare it's the cost for non insured people.
Rich and those with jobs that give healthcare are fine.


If you have a low paid job there's no safety net (like the medical card here for instance) and you get a 5/6 figure bill for calling an ambulance and a trip to A&E.

jacob2

Peatys wrote: »

Cut the dole and we can buy cheap Mustangs?

You get my vote

i am going to collect my dole i hope i can park my mustang near there

Peatys

jacob2 wrote: »

i am going to collect my dole i hope i can park my mustang near there

You can tie up a nag anywhere

Del2005

ELM327 wrote: »

It's not the healthcare it's the cost for non insured people.
Rich and those with jobs that give healthcare are fine.


If you have a low paid job there's no safety net (like the medical card here for instance) and you get a 5/6 figure bill for calling an ambulance and a trip to A&E.

It's even worse than that. Even working people with health care can have issues, a co worker has a bad back but his plan doesn't cover it so he suffers. It's part of the reason why the opioid crisis is so bad, no cover to fix the problem so pain medication. At least in Ireland you'll get treated eventually in the US you die in pain.

mickdw

You could always try importing a left hand drive from the US.
Not sure how that would work out though. Might be difficult to register and probably be shoved onto max emissions here if the correct euro documentation wasn't available for it. If you were getting the v8, that would not be an issue though as its likely on max tax here regardless. vrt would be 36% of irish price so very steep, not to mention other duty.

Del2005

road_high wrote: »

Not entirely true...I live about 15 mins from a large manufacturing company called AutoLaunch who employ hundreds making body parts from some of the worlds top players; http://www.autolaunch.ie/customers/

I'm sure there are lots of others, on the IT side JLR have a place in Shannon. Not to mention all the ancillary services provided for cars.
The reason we/they crucify cars so much is a lot down to the Irish begrudgery psyche- the attitude being if you can afford something nice well you deserve to be punished for it...

So we have an Arms industry because some of the products we manufacture end up in weapons. Better tell the government because they claim we don't.

A few component suppliers is not an industry, especially if the hardware is mobile or easily replaced/replicated

Philb76

Funny enough after seeing a dark grey one this morning in city west out of curiosity wot is the road tax on them here

DaveyDave

pawdee wrote: »

How is it that a brand new Ford Mustang costs about 22,000 euros in the US and 55,000 euros in Ireland? I know we have VRT etc but seriously? Can anyone explain why we're shafted to that extent?

It's not just the fact it's expensive that annoys me. It's the fact that the Mustang is supposed to be an affordable sports cars for young people. Lads in their 20s with a decent job should be able to afford one. Hell, I should be able to afford one. The RRP of my Golf was €31k. You'd get an auto EcoBoost Premium for that money.

The second issue I have with the price here is that it's not a €55,000 car. The interior is along the lines of a Focus/Golf. Nice touchscreen, soft touch materials on the dash, ok feeling buttons but that's it. Nothing fancy about it. Ford were cheap and kept the same left hand drive center console to save money so the handbrake is on the wrong side and your cupholders are in the way. I'd be curious to know the list price of IE Vs UK.

Also you have to spec a lot of options on the Irish model and we don't even have the facelift which adds a digital dash, LED headlights etc. We also have tacky wheels here.

I think the Mustang is a great looking car. I don't like Ford Sync 3 though, it looks really outdated compared to the likes of VWs offering. I like the RGB ambient lighting, not many cars in the 25-30k price range seem to have that. It's also cool that you can change the colour of the analogue gauges independent of the ambient lighting. You can also have lap timers and a boost gauge on the small screen. Had the gauges in STI cherry blossom red, because I could...

Sorry to ramble, the Mustang is the first fast car I've driven so I'll remember it fondly. It's not taken too seriously in the states because it's cheap and it's probably not the best handling or most fun to drive but it is what it is.

bazz26

Philb76 wrote: »

Funny enough after seeing a dark grey one this morning in city west out of curiosity wot is the road tax on them here

The 2.3 ecoboost is €750, the 5.0 v8 is at the top rate of €2350.

road_high

Del2005 wrote: »

So we have an Arms industry because some of the products we manufacture end up in weapons. Better tell the government because they claim we don't.

A few component suppliers is not an industry, especially if the hardware is mobile or easily replaced/replicated

We don't have full vehicle assembly- but we are involved in the auto industry in many ways.

road_high

The Ford Mustang is a class looking car

mickdw

I think the rear end is tacky. Very nice looking car besides.

bazz26

The yanks got the facelift model too while we still get the prefacelift in Europe.

DaveyDave

mickdw wrote: »

I think the rear end is tacky. Very nice looking car besides.

Looks crap in Europe because we have clear indicators whereas the US model has sequential/dynamic indicators.

ddarcy

ELM327 wrote: »

Pkiernan wrote: »

If you think that poor Americans get worse healthcare than poor Irish people you are sorely mistaken

It's not the healthcare it's the cost for non insured people.
Rich and those with jobs that give healthcare are fine.

If you have a low paid job there's no safety net (like the medical card here for instance) and you get a 5/6 figure bill for calling an ambulance and a trip to A&E.

That’s a load of crap. You get Medicaid if you don’t have a job or are on low income. There are also subsidies (massive ones) if you make too much for Medicaid for insurance (eg 95% of the insurance bill is covered, so you’re essentially pay 50 a month for a good insurance plan).

You don’t qualify if you’re illegally in the USA, but it is still better than the medical card here. People stuck with the large medical bills weren’t arsed to fill out the paperwork. Or they decided they didn’t need insurance. Or they are there illegally. But if you get a big medical bill in the USA it is your own fault.

Btw I did contract work in the US and got Medicaid, it was free doctor visits and you needed referrals to see a specialist. Pharmacy was only between 1-3 dollars for a prescription. A bit like the public health system here. I paid nothing for it and still have it active now too.

Del2005

ddarcy wrote: »

That’s a load of crap. You get Medicaid if you don’t have a job or are on low income. There are also subsidies (massive ones) if you make too much for Medicaid for insurance (eg 95% of the insurance bill is covered, so you’re essentially pay 50 a month for a good insurance plan).

You don’t qualify if you’re illegally in the USA, but it is still better than the medical card here. People stuck with the large medical bills weren’t arsed to fill out the paperwork. Or they decided they didn’t need insurance. Or they are there illegally. But if you get a big medical bill in the USA it is your own fault.

Btw I did contract work in the US and got Medicaid, it was free doctor visits and you needed referrals to see a specialist. Pharmacy was only between 1-3 dollars for a prescription. A bit like the public health system here. I paid nothing for it and still have it active now too.

The American citizen working in a massive multi national world disagree with you. He has a bad back and his insurance doesn't cover the treatment.

Heres Johnny

What's the price difference on something like a 5 series or E class in Ireland and USA?

milhous

DaveyDave wrote: »

It's not just the fact it's expensive that annoys me. It's the fact that the Mustang is supposed to be an affordable sports cars for young people. Lads in their 20s with a decent job should be able to afford one. Hell, I should be able to afford one. The RRP of my Golf was €31k. You'd get an auto EcoBoost Premium for that money.

The second issue I have with the price here is that it's not a €55,000 car. The interior is along the lines of a Focus/Golf. Nice touchscreen, soft touch materials on the dash, ok feeling buttons but that's it. Nothing fancy about it. Ford were cheap and kept the same left hand drive center console to save money so the handbrake is on the wrong side and your cupholders are in the way. I'd be curious to know the list price of IE Vs UK.

Also you have to spec a lot of options on the Irish model and we don't even have the facelift which adds a digital dash, LED headlights etc. We also have tacky wheels here.

I think the Mustang is a great looking car. I don't like Ford Sync 3 though, it looks really outdated compared to the likes of VWs offering. I like the RGB ambient lighting, not many cars in the 25-30k price range seem to have that. It's also cool that you can change the colour of the analogue gauges independent of the ambient lighting. You can also have lap timers and a boost gauge on the small screen. Had the gauges in STI cherry blossom red, because I could...

Sorry to ramble, the Mustang is the first fast car I've driven so I'll remember it fondly. It's not taken too seriously in the states because it's cheap and it's probably not the best handling or most fun to drive but it is what it is.

All this. I love the mustang, and I'm prob going to buy a 2nd hand ecoboost when they come under 30k (nearly there). But it's sickening that 30k will buy you a 2.5 year old car here and for a lot less you get a brand new one in the states.. it's also annoying that I'd obviously go for the 5.0V8 but we get even more screwed there with that one!

I love the rear end on it, especially the lights (guess I like tacky stuff haha).