Log shed for commercial use

ShaneCliff

Hey,

Need to build a shed/office for a new business I'm opening in the future, and just wondering does anyone know about planning permission in relation to 'log cabins'?? The shed will be under 25 metres sq, have electricity and plumbing, and will be based on my family farm, so quite remote.

Thanks in advance.

yurtyaherne

If its commercial, it will require planning permisison

Gumbo

ShaneCliff wrote: »

Hey,

Need to build a shed/office for a new business I'm opening in the future, and just wondering does anyone know about planning permission in relation to 'log cabins'?? The shed will be under 25 metres sq, have electricity and plumbing, and will be based on my family farm, so quite remote.

Thanks in advance.

Commercial nature of the structure may mean it requires a fire safety certificate and thus a Disability Access Certificate.

Can you achieve accessibility on the farm.

Then, the structure of the log cabin is timber, so it may not comply with the requirements of Part B (Fire Safety), external fire spread or fire spread through the structure.

ShaneCliff

Thanks for your reply.
The business is adventure park based (zip wire, paintballing etc), so the building would be used as a reception area for customers. Figured I'd do a log cabin to save on costs, and the structure being timber as opposed to blocks that it may mean it wasn't a permanent structure as a loophole around planning permission.

Yeah the 'cabin' is being built just off a main road, where access is already available right from front door of cabin to main road, and plenty of parking is available

corco2000

The parking part may also need planning. Could open up a can of worms.may be seen as development.

Gumbo

ShaneCliff wrote: »

Thanks for your reply.
The business is adventure park based (zip wire, paintballing etc), so the building would be used as a reception area for customers. Figured I'd do a log cabin to save on costs, and the structure being timber as opposed to blocks that it may mean it wasn't a permanent structure as a loophole around planning permission.

Yeah the 'cabin' is being built just off a main road, where access is already available right from front door of cabin to main road, and plenty of parking is available

No such thing as temp structure and permanent structures in planning or fire safety. This is a long standing myth that if it’s not block it’s not permanent.

All structures are permanent. Get advice from your architect as to whether the log cabin can comply. For this type of thing, I think you may be able to justify its use from a fire safety point of view that there may not be many spoke using it, it’s not a place of public assembly as such

Planning etc still required though

yurtyaherne

ShaneCliff wrote: »

Thanks for your reply.
The business is adventure park based (zip wire, paintballing etc), so the building would be used as a reception area for customers. Figured I'd do a log cabin to save on costs, and the structure being timber as opposed to blocks that it may mean it wasn't a permanent structure as a loophole around planning permission.

Yeah the 'cabin' is being built just off a main road, where access is already available right from front door of cabin to main road, and plenty of parking is available

I've yet to see a development being exempt because its not a permanent structure. That seems to be an old wives tale that if it's temporary in nature, it doesn't require permission. That is simply not true.


As its commercial in nature, be prepared for a planning application; development contributions; DAC; fire cert; if it has a bathroom/toilets, providing details of waste disposal, water connection, ESB connection.


It could also be liable for commercial rates once in use.

ted1

ShaneCliff wrote: »

Thanks for your reply.
The business is adventure park based (zip wire, paintballing etc), so the building would be used as a reception area for customers. Figured I'd do a log cabin to save on costs, and the structure being timber as opposed to blocks that it may mean it wasn't a permanent structure as a loophole around planning permission.

Yeah the 'cabin' is being built just off a main road, where access is already available right from front door of cabin to main road, and plenty of parking is available

Scroll down on the link and see what they done to a 40ft container. Similar type business

http://www.biking.ie/index.php/mountain-bike-trails-ticknock-and-ballinastoe/mountain-biking-ticknock

These guys in dollymount also use a container for a coffeee shop

https://www.happyout.ie

ted1

ShaneCliff wrote: »

Thanks for your reply.
The business is adventure park based (zip wire, paintballing etc), so the building would be used as a reception area for customers. Figured I'd do a log cabin to save on costs, and the structure being timber as opposed to blocks that it may mean it wasn't a permanent structure as a loophole around planning permission.

Yeah the 'cabin' is being built just off a main road, where access is already available right from front door of cabin to main road, and plenty of parking is available

Scroll down on the link and see what they done to a 40ft container. Similar type business

http://www.biking.ie/index.php/mountain-bike-trails-ticknock-and-ballinastoe/mountain-biking-ticknock

These guys in dollymount also use a container for a coffeee shop

https://www.happyout.ie

the_syco

ted1 wrote: »

Scroll down on the link and see what they done to a 40ft container. Similar type business

http://www.biking.ie/index.php/mountain-bike-trails-ticknock-and-ballinastoe/mountain-biking-ticknock

I looked at http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPCRITERIA# and saw no PP under the map-view for the above

Gumbo

the_syco wrote: »

I looked at http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPCRITERIA# and saw no PP under the map-view for the above

Probably because it’s not within the boundary of Dublin City Council.
Try south Dublin county council or DLRCC.

As above, Ticknock is DLRCoCo, the structure required and received planning permission.

the_syco

kceire wrote: »

Probably because it’s not within the boundary of Dublin City Council.
Try south Dublin county council or DLRCC.

Hrm. I keep forgetting Dublin is split into multiple little bits.

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

As above, Ticknock is DLRCoCo, the structure required and received planning permission.

Yes and no. They requested PP for a "storage container unit", and got PP for said storage container. I see that the CC had suspicions;

The applicant is advised that the description of the proposed development is misleading as it refers to storage only and not to the servicing, hiring and repair of bikes as referred to in the application. The applicant is therefore requested to submit a revised public notice and site notice correctly stating the nature of the proposed use.

But that PP was granted for a "storage container unit". I'm assuming that as it's in the middle of nowhere, no-one has complained about it not actually being used as a storage container unit, but also as a unit where people work in.

Thus, as the OP has stated that the location of their planned office will be "quite remote", they may also get away with it if they ask for PP for what they know is factually incorrect.

Gumbo

the_syco wrote: »

Hrm. I keep forgetting Dublin is split into multiple little bits.


Yes and no. They requested PP for a "storage container unit", and got PP for said storage container. I see that the CC had suspicions;

But that PP was granted for a "storage container unit". I'm assuming that as it's in the middle of nowhere, no-one has complained about it not actually being used as a storage container unit, but also as a unit where people work in.

Thus, as the OP has stated that the location of their planned office will be "quite remote", they may also get away with it if they ask for PP for what they know is factually incorrect.

Depends if the revised public notices state its correct use?

ted1

Are we all in agreement that it’s a low cost effective solution for the op