Toyota vs honda reliability (need reliable long distance commuter)

hunter701

Well folks looking for advice on which is the best option in terms of reliability ?
2010 Toyota Avensis d4d 2.0
Honda accord 2.2 cdti 2008
2008 Honda civic 2.2cdti
Toyota auris 1.4d4d or 2.0d4d

Looking for reliable car to do high mileage preferably jap car? Will be putting 370km a week on it for commuting.

Toyotafanboi

Probably better off looking at petrol engined Japanese cars if you are looking for reliability. 370km a week is also a fairly low mileage, you'd do that for around €30-€40 petrol a week, do you really need a diesel?

marklazarcovic

Gen 8 1.8 civic ,or avensis,petrol both, can't go wrong really.

bazz26

370km is not long distance unless you are doing most of it in one day.

hunter701

bazz26 wrote: »

370km is not long distance unless you are doing most of it in one day.

I drive 177km in one day during the week then 177km back another day in the week and then roughly 20 to 50km tippin around i currently have 1.4tsi and im putting 50 to 70 euro in it like.

marklazarcovic

Get a prius

hunter701

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Probably better off looking at petrol engined Japanese cars if you are looking for reliability. 370km a week is also a fairly low mileage, you'd do that for around €30-€40 petrol a week, do you really need a diesel?

I have 1.4tsi as it is and i find 50 to 70 euro petrol is the average a week but like i said reliability too just after replacing gearbox in the car only has 197000km volkswagen not living up to its name at all.

hunter701

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Probably better off looking at petrol engined Japanese cars if you are looking for reliability. 370km a week is also a fairly low mileage, you'd do that for around €30-€40 petrol a week, do you really need a diesel?

I dunno lads i reckon 350 to 450 km a week so thats why im thinking diesel plus diesel is a bit easier on the pocket so maybe toyota avensis 2.0 d4d might be the way to go my parents have a 2010 one and its nice and economical to drive but ive heard the older shape ones the t25 have less issues than the newer t27 ? Honda accord 2.2 diesel is solid car from what i can see but being a 2.2 fuel consumption can vary and i am not familiar with issues or anything with these cars my friend has 2.2 civic 2007 he loves it absolutely bulletproof car he claims has no bother with the car so maybe hinda accord might not be far off.

hunter701

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Get a prius

not too sure about prius yes they are very economical but the batteries go in them from reviews ive read and can be v expensive to replace or repair one lad said on carbuyer that he had prius loved it and all the money he saved but all the money he saved was spent on getting a new battery when it went pop at 350000km

colm_mcm

How many dieselcars will be dependable at 350k though? Prius batteries are modular so repairing them is actually quite cheap.

hunter701

hunter701 wrote: »

not too sure about prius yes they are very economical but the batteries go in them from reviews ive read and can be v expensive to replace or repair one lad said on carbuyer that he had prius loved it and all the money he saved but all the money he saved was spent on getting a new battery when it went pop at 350000km

At 350,000km. In a prius.

That’s the expected lifetime. What else would a guy expect? Hybrids aren’t about saving money anyway.

You don’t seem to know what you want at all TBH. You have a reasonably economical car with fairy low mileage, yet you want to spend money to ‘save’ money. By buying a diesel car when you’re doing too little to justify the fuel choice or the expense of changing cars.

At the end of the day and despite all the crap people say, 370km a week is petrol territory by any sensible measure. If you’re looking for a different car, fire away, but you’re not making any sense.

hunter701

colm_mcm wrote: »

How many dieselcars will be dependable at 350k though? Prius batteries are modular so repairing them is actually quite cheap.

But thats if its not damaged beyond repair yes they are cheap to repair but replacing them no thanks

colm_mcm

hunter701 wrote: »

But thats if its not damaged beyond repair yes they are cheap to repair but replacing them no thanks

You replace the dead cells.

Shefwedfan

You should not be buying a diesel. I think everyone has made that point. 370km is nothing.

What sort of budget are you looking to spend? any other requirements? like you have family requirements at weekend etc?

hunter701

JayZeus wrote: »

At 350,000km. In a prius.

That’s the expected lifetime. What else would a guy expect? Hybrids aren’t about saving money anyway.

You don’t seem to know what you want at all TBH. You have a reasonably economical car with fairy low mileage, yet you want to spend money to ‘save’ money. By buying a diesel car when you’re doing too little to justify the fuel choice or the expense of changing cars.

At the end of the day and despite all the crap people say, 370km a week is petrol territory by any sensible measure. If you’re looking for a different car, fire away, but you’re not making any sense.

maybe 1.6 petrol avensis then as the lads have been saying might be the way to go i dont want the car i currently have as its already costed me 1000 euro to rebuild gearbox whats next timing chain and turbo no thanks volkswagen gonna try get something a bit more reliable uncle has 1.8 petrol mazda 6 saloon 285000kms not a bother on her just regular service and my dads friend has 1998 avensis and the thing is still going and he hasnt done anything to it to be honest lads i just want something solid. My parents avensis gives no bother and shes 2010 with 285000kms on the clock and ive seen some with as much as 500000kms on them and more.

colm_mcm

1.8 Civic then.

hunter701

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You should not be buying a diesel. I think everyone has made that point. 370km is nothing.

What sort of budget are you looking to spend? any other requirements? like you have family requirements at weekend etc?

budget 3000 to 4500 euro min year 2008 i dont have any real family requirements just gf and meself.

hunter701

colm_mcm wrote: »

1.8 Civic then.

Yes lad now yer talkin vtec 1.8 whats fuel consumption on these?

Peatys

2.2d civic has tiny break disks. Needed them changed between services.
Clutch used to slip as well.. excellent car otherwise.

hunter701

Peatys wrote: »

2.2d civic has tiny break disks. Needed them changed between services.
Clutch used to slip as well.. excellent car otherwise.

Lad i dont mind clutches and discs as long as its not gearboxes diff bearings turbos and chains going i dont mind im very dissatisfied with the VW jetta i currently own let me down big time.

ba_barabus

OP, of all the cars you've mentioned which habe you driven and which did you like? There isn't much that goes wrong with them but if they go wrong, and any used car can, they could be expensive.

As regards diesel v petrol your mileage and driving suit both tbh. It's not stop start journeys you're doing so you should be fine. I wouldn't pay a premium for diesel however.

Don't go with a 1.6 petrol Avensis, they're heavy on fuel.

You should also consider a Ceed or i30.

colm_mcm

hunter701 wrote: »

Yes lad now yer talkin vtec 1.8 whats fuel consumption on these?

It really depends on how you drive, but early 40s is easily done, late 40s doable, and early 50s if you drive like a granny. So yeah, early 40s!

It’s not VTEC in the traditional sense, it’s still 140bhp but your Jetta TSI is probably more torquey.

hunter701

ba_barabus wrote: »

OP, of all the cars you've mentioned which habe you driven and which did you like? There isn't much that goes wrong with them but if they go wrong, and any used car can, they could be expensive.

As regards diesel v petrol your mileage and driving suit both tbh. It's not stop start journeys you're doing so you should be fine. I wouldn't pay a premium for diesel however.

Don't go with a 1.6 petrol Avensis, they're heavy on fuel.

You should also consider a Ceed or i30.

Probably i30 maybe in 1.6 diesel i assume?

hunter701

colm_mcm wrote: »

It really depends on how you drive, but early 40s is easily done, late 40s doable, and early 50s if you drive like a granny. So yeah, early 40s!

It’s not VTEC in the traditional sense, it’s still 140bhp but your Jetta TSI is probably more torquey.

Jetta tsi i love the car takes boot quick i once raced a 200bhp golf drag race rolling start was mirror to mirror until golf found another gear like my power i love petrol but tax too high for my liking on 1.8 honda and insurance 300 eur dearer uncle has 1.8 mazda 6 which i think hed be willing to sell could get it off him for small enough money but after my reliability issues with the jetta i just dont think shes able to go 400 km a week without trouble put 60000kms on her in 14 months ive had it 2.2 honda accord or 2.0 avensis would be better probably for my mileage

hunter701

Ive a feeling ill go for 2008 2.0 avensis cuz ill be doing 400km a week all year for next 2 years plus i like the tax at 390 for the year the reliability the better fuel economy than the jetta i currently own at this stage ive had my fun with power i want a reliable cheap running cost cheap to tax and insure car but reliability first and i see those avensis are able to clock serious mikeage with good minding and servicing

hunter701

My father swears by jap cars he had corollas when he was younger and said they were bulletproof my best mate has 1.4 petrol corolla 2008 with 280000kms on it i have my eye on few corollas too but i dunno like such a small engine for the hassle its gonna face like i drive from offaly to tyrone lads 177km up stay in tyrone couple of days come back then another 177kms and then 40 or 50 tipping around too btw the road i drive is n55 athlone to cavan and then cavan to enniskillen hope this puts a little perspective on things btw are there any vw models in the 2007 to 2009 years that are reliable ??

hunter701

What about 2.0 diesel 2010 misubishi lancer are they as reliable as theyre jap counterparts ?

Hyundai sonata 2.0diesel ?
2010 Kia pro ceed diesel 1.6 ?
2008 mazda 3 1.6 diesel ?
2008 mazda 6 2.0 diesel ? (Is this engine ford)
2009 mazda 6 2.2 diesel ?
Honda civic 1.3 1.4 petrol ?

Anything from suzuki or nissan? I know nissan have been sharing some engines with Renault so maybe not ?

Car99

You're thinking too much. if it was me I would buy an Audi a4 (b7) 2008 1.9tdi with a good service history .

hunter701

Car99 wrote: »

You're thinking too much. if it was me I would buy an Audi a4 (b7) 2008 1.9tdi with a good service history .

But then were back to clutch flywheel gearbox turbo and timing problems? I know a lad who had one with very high mileage though i think vw engines are hit n miss

CiniO

Peatys wrote: »

2.2d civic has tiny break disks. Needed them changed between services.

What do you mean "tiny" ???

Mine has done 200kkm. New pair already 60kkm and very little wear on them.

Clutch used to slip as well.. excellent car otherwise.

Early models had trouble with slipping clutch.
Most was sorted by now.

hunter701

CiniO wrote: »

What do you mean "tiny" ???

Mine has done 200kkm. New pair already 60kkm and very little wear on them.


Early models had trouble with slipping clutch.
Most was sorted by now.

I think yur right there lad civics dont give much trouble and tend to be bulletproof enough my gfs dad has 2.2 civic 2007 all hes done to it is pads tyres and regular oil services i cant imagine an audi a4 being nearly as reliable as a civic ik vw 1.9 give trouble with clutch n flywheel and my gfs parents have 2006 passat 1.9 and they just spent £900 on camshaft clutch and flywheel and head gasket seal joke wheres the reliability in that

Shefwedfan

hunter701 wrote: »

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You should not be buying a diesel. I think everyone has made that point. 370km is nothing.

What sort of budget are you looking to spend? any other requirements? like you have family requirements at weekend etc?

budget 3000 to 4500 euro min year 2008 i dont have any real family requirements just gf and meself.

Why not a Golf?

hunter701

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Why not a Golf?

I already have a jetta and the other thing is i wouldn’t know what engine to choose in a golf ðŸ‘

biko

https://www.reliabilityindex.com/top-100

bear1

I'd keep the jetta to be honest.
You've just replaced the gearbox so may as well get your moneys worth.

Audioslaven

CiniO wrote: »

What do you mean "tiny" ???

Mine has done 200kkm. New pair already 60kkm and very little wear on them.


Early models had trouble with slipping clutch.
Most was sorted by now.

True, My bro has a 2009 model and the clutch is the only issue with them but a 2010/2011 could have the upgraded clutch.

Clean the EGR and service is all he has to d0.

coolbeans

Just get a Toyota hybrid and be done with it. Your knowledge of them is not good. They're super reliable and the battery chat is guff in the main.

corks finest

hunter701 wrote: »

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Get a prius

not too sure about prius yes they are very economical but the batteries go in them from reviews ive read and can be v expensive to replace or repair one lad said on carbuyer that he had prius loved it and all the money he saved but all the money he saved was spent on getting a new battery when it went pop at 350000km

Want to be v unlucky for the hybrid battery to go,I've an insight hybrid,and they just don't give up,same with the Prius,on the insight forum there's cars that have 300 k plus no sweat

Cee-Jay-Cee

hunter701 wrote: »

I have 1.4tsi as it is and i find 50 to 70 euro petrol is the average a week but like i said reliability too just after replacing gearbox in the car only has 197000km volkswagen not living up to its name at all.

I would say opposite, I wouldn't call VW's reliable, they lost that title 15-20 years ago, so having to replace a gearbox on a VW is nothing new or out of the ordinary.

hunter701

Hey folks just want to say just bought a toyota avensis 2008 D4D very good car so far very satisfied with it i ended up selling the jetta tbh i do miss it but the toyota is a very smooth ride and ive just driven the first 400km or so and is economical and v efficient

kermitpwee

hunter701 wrote: »

Hey folks just want to say just bought a toyota avensis 2008 D4D very good car so far very satisfied with it i ended up selling the jetta tbh i do miss it but the toyota is a very smooth ride and ive just driven the first 400km or so and is economical and v efficient

What money are they going?

Lantus

hunter701 wrote:

I drive 177km in one day during the week then 177km back another day in the week and then roughly 20 to 50km tippin around i currently have 1.4tsi and im putting 50 to 70 euro in it like.

I do 500km a week in my 1.2 fabia. 40 a week in fuel which is a shocking uplift from the 34 it used to cost before fuel inflation. 70 seems really high for 400km. My old 1.4 golf gave me 500km for 47eu a week.

hunter701

kermitpwee wrote: »

What money are they going?

mine was 2008 and an import from uk with only 2 owners from new with 150000miles on the clock dealer asked for 3000euro but i gave 2700 up front cash.

hunter701

Lantus wrote: »

I do 500km a week in my 1.2 fabia. 40 a week in fuel which is a shocking uplift from the 34 it used to cost before fuel inflation. 70 seems really high for 400km. My old 1.4 golf gave me 500km for 47eu a week.

1.2 fabia great car friend from work had one and drove the lard out of it and never had any major issues with it just regular servicing.

kermitpwee

hunter701 wrote: »

mine was 2008 and an import from uk with only 2 owners from new with 150000miles on the clock dealer asked for 3000euro but i gave 2700 up front cash.

Good deal, can he get me one?