ESB AC Charging Infrastructure [Split Thread]

Silent Running

unkel wrote: »

Only 3 weeks in and I've already got €20 M50 tolls refunded. And all the trips were leisure. No commute or business trips here

Car was near empty today. Still went from Lucan to Skerries south beach (with the dog to get us both some much needed cooling down). Got there just before turtle mode. Parked at the ESB slow charger right beside the main entry to the beach. Got more than enough to drive home where I fast charged

Went with near empty car, came home with near full car. Cost me just over €1 in fuel and tolls for the trip

Yeah, stupid electric cars. :D:D

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Parked at the ESB slow charger right beside the main entry to the beach. Got more than enough to drive home where I fast charged

Ha ha remember, it's your car that has the slow charger , not the ESB charge point ! 7 Kw Ioniq charger V 22 Kw ESB charge point !

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

Ha ha remember, it's your car that has the slow charger , not the ESB charge point ! 7 Kw Ioniq charger V 22 Kw ESB charge point !

Still a slow charger

It would have made no difference to me, I still would have had to charge my car on either an FCP or overnight at home to have the guts of a full charge

But yeah, if you regularly stay for several hours in places where there is a 22kW charger and you can't easily fast charge or charge at home and your car can take 22kW, then it could be helpful. Still a pain in the neck having to get your own cable out. I prefer tethered.

Lol unkle, just because your car can charge at only 7 Kw on AC doesn't make 22 Kw a pain or less useful, if there were 22 Kw DC chargers you'd love them, you just think AC is useless in general.

Fact remains, with 11 Kw AC I rarely need DC chargers and in actual fact, they're more useful than DC when so many DC chargers are blocked. It's my main way to charge these days, I either use the generator or AC because the DC network is crap.

I can only imagine the joy of Zoe owners having 44 Kw AC on board enjoying the benefits of faster charging while they do chores in town or charging at a fast charger while you're waiting for someone on DC to finish.

If Leaf 60 has indeed got 22 Kw AC it would be fantastic.

The ESB were promised more cars that could charge at higher rates on AC from Renault and Nissan so the ESB chose to install such a good AC network at the time but Nissan and Renault fell through on their promise.

I would love to see more and more DC chargers, 20 odd Kw chargers would be ideal but they're usually CCS only from what I've seen and I don't think the ESB could rule out ChaDeMo on future chargers, not if they plan to make a commercial success out of the charging network.

22 Kw chargers everywhere in towns and cities and 150+ Kw on the motorways, why ? because I doubt many places would be able to provide the mind boggling amount of power required especially since the ESB won't install 32 amp home charge points out of fear of hundreds of people charging their cars blowing the local transformer/substations lol.

liamog

It's common parlance for all AC only charger points to be called a slow charger and all DC chargers to be called fast chargers.
Technically it's wrong as slow chargers are 1 phase 16A, and fast chargers are 1 phase 32A.

The 22kW chargers are 3 phase 32A, the new model installed by eCars is capable of 22kW total, so that's 2x11kW or 1x22kW.

So basically that means for a 64kWh car, with a 22kW on board charger, I can rely on driving about 400km and charging for 6 hours to get me back home.
I may get lucky and only need 3 hours, but that's big risk.

cros13

Charger discussion or tolls?

liamog

liamog wrote: »

It's common parlance for all AC only charger points to be called a slow charger and all DC chargers to be called fast chargers.
Technically it's wrong as slow chargers are 1 phase 16A, and fast chargers are 1 phase 32A.

The 22kW chargers are 3 phase 32A, the new model installed by eCars is capable of 22kW total, so that's 2x11kW or 1x22kW.

So basically that means for a 64kWh car, with a 22kW on board charger, I can rely on driving about 400km and charging for 6 hours to get me back home.
I may get lucky and only need 3 hours, but that's big risk.

Where did you hear that the Newly installed AC chargers are 2 x 11 Kw when in use or 1 x 22 Kw, I've charged the i3 at the full 11 Kw when Zoe was charging ?

When you say Newly installed AC charge points, there haven't been any ESB installed AC points in years no ?

liamog

They replaced the ones in Dunboyne (which is near the M3 Toll) with this model http://electricmobility.efacec.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CS193I1404C1.pdf
As you can see from the spec sheet, its input (and output) are 22kVA.
Of course you were able to charge at the full 11kW, the Zoe probably dropped down to 11kW at the same time.

liamog

liamog wrote: »

They replaced the ones in Dunboyne (which is near the M3 Toll) with this model http://electricmobility.efacec.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/CS193I1404C1.pdf
As you can see from the spec sheet, its input (and output) are 22kVA.
Of course you were able to charge at the full 11kW, the Zoe probably dropped down to 11kW at the same time.

I doubt it because he had just plugged in as I arrived.

I see the output but could that be per outlet ? it says "AC Output" but it has 2 outputs.

cros13

cros13 wrote: »

Charger discussion or tolls?

Actually Cross, can we split this to maybe a thread titled " ESB AC Charging Infrastructure" or something like that ? you can just copy and paste that title lol.

So now that the thread has been split no one wants to talk about the AC infrastructure ? isn't that typical !

liamog

I could be wrong on the new AC Chargers.

Unless you were either reviewing the meter, or watching the charge speed in the Zoe, I'm not sure how an I3 owner would know if it was a 2x22kW or 22kW total.
More investigation needed methinks.

liamog

liamog wrote: »

I could be wrong on the new AC Chargers.

Unless you were either reviewing the meter, or watching the charge speed in the Zoe, I'm not sure how an I3 owner would know if it was a 2x22kW or 22kW total.
More investigation needed methinks.

I know roughly it will take to charge at 7 Kw V 11,

I think the data specs for the New AC chargers are showing data per Outlet and not combined, that would make a lot more sense.

I've also read other Zoe owners say they get the full rate from each outlet on the older ac points when another Zoe is charging.

liamog

Your I3 will receive 11kW, so you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

This is an example of another 2x22kW charger. http://eccharging.co.uk/products/specifications/ec-charging-technical-specification-3-phase-22kw/
Notice the input is 400V 80A 3-Phase wheres the model used at Dunboyne charger claims an input of 400V 32A 3-Phase.

It's possible that the different models have different capabilities.