New pedestrian crossing near RTE

defrule

Starting cycling into work again and noticed they're putting in a crossing between RTE and Teresian School.

Why on earth is this being done when there is a skywalk 100m down the road?

GreeBo

defrule wrote: »

Starting cycling into work again and noticed they're putting in a crossing between RTE and Teresian School.

Why on earth is this being done when there is a skywalk 100m down the road?

Someone noticed that traffic was moving a little too freely and needed to be slowed down.

ED E

People are lazy. Rathmines road is peppered with ped crossings but more cross without them than with them. Talking 20m not 100.

Macy0161

And another set of lights before it, at the existing cut away/ junction where loads illegally u turn. I'd stick to the bike for the autumn as it's going to be a clusterf**k in September...

liger

defrule wrote: »

Why on earth is this being done when there is a skywalk 100m down the road?

Part of the new housing development being built there. Also easier for elderly and disabled to use instead of a skywalk.

markpb

defrule wrote: »

Why on earth is this being done when there is a skywalk 100m down the road?

Skywalks are very unfriendly for pedestrians and have no place in urban areas.

GreeBo

markpb wrote: »

Skywalks are very unfriendly for pedestrians and have no place in urban areas.

Whats unfriendly about them?

coylemj

markpb wrote: »

Skywalks are very unfriendly for pedestrians and have no place in urban areas.

They very much do have a place at schools, they help prevent marauding hoards of schoolchildren dashing between cars to catch a bus.

Pupils of Loreto Foxrock and Scoil Iosagain in Booterstown are clearly under orders that they must use the local footbridge and may not cross the N11 when they are in school uniform, I expect the Teresian College has the same policy. I think there's an exception for Loreto girls who live in Beech Park & South Park, they appear to be allowed allowed cross the road at the southern side of the N11/Kill Lane junction but the vast majority of the pupils who cross the N11 do so via the bridge, none of them ever crosses the road to get to the bus stop at the church.

markpb

GreeBo wrote: »

markpb wrote: »

Skywalks are very unfriendly for pedestrians and have no place in urban areas.

Whats unfriendly about them?

They're generally built where it's feasible, not where pedestrians actually want to cross. Then your forced to climb multiple flights of stairs or, if you're disabled, go even further out of your way to go up and down the ramps.

What benefit do they have for pedestrians over traffic lights? Less waiting time which is usually offset by the extra time and effort anyway.

Why are they built? To make sure drivers aren't slowed down by those pesky pedestrians. If you're building a crossing for a motorway or rural dual carriageway, that's an acceptable aim but in a city, it's 1970s car-first thinking at it's finest.

Macy0161

I don't really have an issue with a pedestrian crossing. I do question the decision to have traffic lights and a pedestrian crossing so close together. Wouldn't it be less disruptive to combine?

Stephen15

In thought the lights were for the junction for the new houses that are being built on the RTE lands.

martingriff

GreeBo wrote: »

Whats unfriendly about them?

Try 1 in a wheelchair

Macy0161

Stephen15 wrote:

In thought the lights were for the junction for the new houses that are being built on the RTE lands.

Been off a couple of weeks, but I'm pretty sure there's two new sets - the junction and the crossing.

markpb

Macy0161 wrote: »

Wouldn't it be less disruptive to combine?

Less disruptive to drivers, more to pedestrians.

Stephen15

martingriff wrote: »

Try 1 in a wheelchair

They also encourage pedestrians to cross the road at unsafe locations without designated crossings as people including myself would decide to chance crossing in order to save time instead of using them. They are also dangerous in high winds.

martingriff

Stephen15 wrote: »

They also encourage pedestrians to cross the road at unsafe locations without designated crossings as people including myself would decide to chance crossing in order to save time instead of using them. They are also dangerous in high winds.

Never thought of high winds!! could be dangerous there. I agree with the distance to travel will stop people using them.

Macy0161

markpb wrote: »

Less disruptive to drivers, more to pedestrians.

Why would they be more disruptive to pedestrians to combine them? They're very close together.

LeChienMefiant

ED E wrote: »

People are lazy. Rathmines road is peppered with ped crossings but more cross without them than with them. Talking 20m not 100.

Pedestrians don't get sufficient priority at the designated crossings in Rathmines e.g. between Lidl and Aldi. It's obvious why many people don't bother. It's the same across the city.

Stephen15

The road gets worse just there at RTE lots of pot holes and wear and tear on that stretch of road. It seems the roads in DCC are worse than in DLRCC as I have also noticed that the road suddenly deteriorates at Merrion Gates when travelling northbound from DLR.

tabbey

Stephen15 wrote: »

The road gets worse just there at RTE lots of pot holes and wear and tear on that stretch of road. It seems the roads in DCC are worse than in DLRCC as I have also noticed that the road suddenly deteriorates at Merrion Gates when travelling northbound from DLR.

I disagree.

Try cycling on Monkstown Ave or Rochestown Ave.

The first was patched up since the snow / ice damage, but the quality of repair was less than perfect and is already deteriorating.

However I agree with you regarding the stretch of Merrion Road outside the former IMCO building, and the AIB centre, but the other side seems better.
The boundary of DLR and the city by the way, is at the Tara Hotel and the adjacent fuel station.

AlekSmart

tabbey wrote: »

I disagree.

Try cycling on Monkstown Ave or Rochestown Ave.

The first was patched up since the snow / ice damage, but the quality of repair was less than perfect and is already deteriorating.

However I agree with you regarding the stretch of Merrion Road outside the former IMCO building, and the AIB centre, but the other side seems better.
The boundary of DLR and the city by the way, is at the Tara Hotel and the adjacent fuel station.

I wonder if it's a Southside thing....

More real evidence of Incompetence,potentially negligent incompetence,at the new crossing in question here,is the arrangement of the Cycle Lane outbound. The Stillorgan Road RTE Radio Centre, at this point has a peak Bus frequency of 4-8 minutes each evening,yet some (supposedly) professional roads engineer,planner or whatever,apparently has no difficulty at all funneling ALL outbound cyclists directly into the path of Buses attempting to access pre-existing Bus Stop 761.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3160945,-6.2270982,95m/data=!3m1!1e3

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3159569,-6.2274288,3a,60y,34.66h,74.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6Qx5bCCixl48pG52KfspWw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

(The NEW !...IMPROVED! arrangement has'nt made it onto Google Maps as yet,and with good reason I would suggest....Embarrassment ! )

This individual or group,took a location which was somewhat safer for Cyclists,as the Barrier'd Cycle Path was directed BEHIND the Bus Shelter,and has now skillfully arranged for the Cyclists to be directed IN FRONT OF THE SHELTER,DIRECTLY INTO THE PATH OF BUSES ACCESSING THE STOP.

The work associated with this area has been ongoing for several months,with no shortage of suited,laptop carrying earnest looking engineers and the occasional navvy with a shovel...I would suggest that the design of any future Bus/Cycle interaction points be left to the Navvy,as quite obviously the Laptop Bearer,has no actual idea of how to act responsibly and reasonably to ensure the safety of both the cycling,and Public Transport using Public.

I would encourage everybody to take a spin out to the location (BusStop 761) and having inspected the new! improved ! arrangements,ask oneself if this is the best that could be provided after a several million € Civil Engineering project lasting several months ?

As long as official Ireland continues to pander to,and fawn over Incompetent professionals,we need have no worries about BusConnects or any other wild foreign notions !!!