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CCTV planning permission??

  • 17-07-2018 3:18pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭


    Do you need planning permission to put up CCTV cameras on my property? Back, sides and front?

    Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Reputable Rog


    horsebox7 wrote: »
    Do you need planning permission to put up CCTV cameras on my property? Back, sides and front?

    Thanks

    No.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    horsebox7 wrote: »
    Do you need planning permission to put up CCTV cameras on my property? Back, sides and front?

    Thanks
    No.

    This came up in a recent planning enforcement case.
    You are relying on the cameras not been visually obtrusive as to alter the external appearance of the house. Usually you can get around this by using small bullet type or the small HIK Vision ones in a colour that closely matches the wall or gutter they are being attached to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭horsebox7


    Interesting. Do you know the part of the planning regulations that covers this and perhaps the name or details of the enforcement case you referred to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭Reati


    Data protection laws are where you need to be more concerned. I think there is a bunch of stuff around having CCTV signs up etc if you can see a public space.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    horsebox7 wrote: »
    Interesting. Do you know the part of the planning regulations that covers this and perhaps the name or details of the enforcement case you referred to?

    There is no specific planning regulation that covers it. You are trying to argue that the addition of the cameras do not materially affect the appearance of the streetscape so this is where you are trying to argue exempted development.

    If you plonk large cctv cameras that are visually intrusive then you cannot argue the above point and there planning would be required technically.

    I cannot give you the details on the enforcement case as it didn’t go to court and was settled before legal proceedings began (Section 152 warning was complied with).

    Data protection is your next hurdle. And what you do with this data (footage of your neighbors) while it’s in your possession (hard drive). Just be smart with your positions and orientation of the cameras and what can be picked up on them.m, especially where people can legally expect a reasonable expectation to privacy (their private back garden).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭Homer


    Reati wrote: »
    Data protection laws are where you need to be more concerned. I think there is a bunch of stuff around having CCTV signs up etc if you can see a public space.

    Who’s to say what a given camera can actually see though? I have multiple cameras around the exterior of our property, but the only way anybody could tell what area they cover is by being in front of the monitor inside my home? Just playing devils advocate!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,351 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Homer wrote: »
    Who’s to say what a given camera can actually see though? I have multiple cameras around the exterior of our property, but the only way anybody could tell what area they cover is by being in front of the monitor inside my home? Just playing devils advocate!

    If in breach, im sure an inspector or Garda can check the monitor so they can see what you see. With my HIK Vision system I can just show the app and make sure they are happy with the angle I’m using etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭Homer


    Presume they would need a warrant to enter my home? Again I am just playing devils advocate? The whole GDPR and cctv is a minefield in many ways.
    Similar I can open the app and show the view of any of he cameras. I actually have one high end camera pointing out onto the road capturing every car that passes the house 24/7 but the neighbours (rural ish location) all love the fact it’s there.


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