Outward opening internal doors

G&T22

Hi
Just wanted to know if it is allowed to have outward opening internal doors in an existing house?

Thanks

Gumbo

G&T22 wrote: »

Hi
Just wanted to know if it is allowed to have outward opening internal doors in an existing house?

Thanks

Context please.

From what room into what space?

From a bedroom into the landing, no in my opinion.

G&T22

kceire wrote: »

Context please.

From what room into what space?

From a bedroom into the landing, no in my opinion.

From bedroom to landing? If it is a no can you tell me why?

Gumbo

G&T22 wrote: »

From bedroom to landing? If it is a no can you tell me why?

Fire safety, and in particular during fire escape/evacuation.
People moving through the landing to make their way to the escape stairs and all of a sudden a bedroom door flies open and hits them causing injury and risking their escape chances.

Also, consider a fire in the dwelling. Somebody mid escape collapses on the landing and is wedges up against the bedroom door. Now the people in that bedroom cannot open the door to escape.

drunkmonkey

Not sure what your trying to do, but would a pocket door solve the problem? We've one about 5yrs with no problems.
https://pocketdoors.ie

Gumbo

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Not sure what your trying to do, but would a pocket door solve the problem? We've one about 5yrs with no problems.
https://pocketdoors.ie

From a bedroom to the landing, would they satisfy the fire safety requirements?
Most people put these pocket doors into utilities, or from sitting room to kitchen open plan areas where there are no fire safety concerns.

drunkmonkey

kceire wrote: »

From a bedroom to the landing, would they satisfy the fire safety requirements?
Most people put these pocket doors into utilities, or from sitting room to kitchen open plan areas where there are no fire safety concerns.

What's unsafe about them? Ours went from a kitchen to the hall. If I was building a house I'd be inclined to put them everywhere, you've the use of the full room then. There expensive though I'd say that's why there not popular. The one we have is self closing and can't be slammed so nobody gets their fingures hurt.

Gumbo

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What's unsafe about them? Ours went from a kitchen to the hall. If I was building a house I'd be inclined to put them everywhere, you've the use of the full room then. There expensive though I'd say that's why there not popular. The one we have is self closing and can't be slammed so nobody gets their fingures hurt.

Depending on the house design, the doors have to self close to keep the stair core free of smoke and fire.

Can the pocket doors self close?

Edit - Turns out they have a fire rated self closing door. So i'll look into that then.
€855 per door excluding fitting, frames, architraves etc

drunkmonkey

kceire wrote: »

Depending on the house design, the doors have to self close to keep the stair core free of smoke and fire.

Can the pocket doors self close?

Edit - Turns out they have a fire rated self closing door. So i'll look into that then.
€855 per door excluding fitting, frames, architraves etc

The self close or soft close I think they call it was an extra, I didn't buy a new door we were able to use our old door. We had solid walls so it was a bit of a pain to fit as we had to knock in the brick wall for it to slide into it. Can't find the receipt there but it wasn't over €500 for the mechanism etc.
€855 per door seems very expensive. You can hang any door off it.
We had to do it as when putting an island in the kitchen the door swing would have hit somebody if on a seat.

magnethead

I didn't want to create a new thread because I would just title it the same, and this one is recent enough (Thanks for the link to pocket doors, expensive stuff for a frame and rails ) I plan to use a double set.

Can a Bathroom door open outwards onto an upstairs landing, if it was at the end of the landing and couldn't block anything?

or do you know what 'Building Regulation Document' would cover a bathroom door?

Gumbo

magnethead wrote: »

I didn't want to create a new thread because I would just title it the same, and this one is recent enough (Thanks for the link to pocket doors, expensive stuff for a frame and rails ) I plan to use a double set.

Can a Bathroom door open outwards onto an upstairs landing, if it was at the end of the landing and couldn't block anything?

or do you know what 'Building Regulation Document' would cover a bathroom door?

No.
no door can open into the escape route.
TGD Part B (Fire Safety)

BryanF

magnethead wrote: »

if it was at the end of the landing and couldn't block anything?

Have you a drawing you could put up?

magnethead

Thanks for your replies
Here's the outline

kieran.

Push the door towards the the rear wall leaving the mind for architrave etc. Swing the bath on to the bedroom wall put the WC & WHB on the side/gable Ext wall and open the door in. Problem solved.

CECR_37

kceire wrote: »

No.
no door can open into the escape route.
TGD Part B (Fire Safety)

I take your point but nowhere in Pt. B Vol. 2 does it same about doors opening across escape routes. The means of escape should provide a safe route. IMO that layout isint the end of the world.

Gumbo

magnethead wrote: »

Thanks for your replies
Here's the outline

CECR_37 wrote: »

I take your point but nowhere in Pt. B Vol. 2 does it same about doors opening across escape routes. The means of escape should provide a safe route. IMO that layout isint the end of the world.

You are hindering the escape route from the bedroom in the corner. This would be a breach of Part B in my books and any works under my control would not get a certificate of compliance, completion cert or similar of that design was followed through with.

magnethead

Thanks again for your inputs, Kieran, the bathroom downstairs directly under this has the toilet in that position, I was hoping to directly stack it, but maybe it's not the end of the world to move to the other wall.

Thanks again guys

bmm

kceire wrote: »

You are hindering the escape route from the bedroom in the corner.

Most doors that open out hinder something . Put a door closer on the door and it will be closed unless someone is going in/out . Look at disabled toilets all over the country with open out doors. Most of them block routes when they are left opened out. They all seem to comply with the regs.

magnethead

Jaysus, maybe just make a pocket door out of it, except find an affordable option, without all the bells and whistles/breaks..just a rail and a good carpenter

Gumbo

bmm wrote: »

Most doors that open out hinder something . Put a door closer on the door and it will be closed unless someone is going in/out . Look at disabled toilets all over the country with open out doors. Most of them block routes when they are left opened out. They all seem to comply with the regs.

Disabled doors open out so that if a person was to collapse inside the toilet, there’s no risk of them falling against the door and stopping it from been opened by someone outside coming to help.

Also, the dimension of that opening door, is considered in the width of the corridor it’s been designed into so that the remaining width is enough for escape.

A door closer could possibly work, or the pocket door option as mention could also work.