Friesian bullocks

adamhughes

260 -290kg, know a guy selling 20 of these,

not bad looking but what they worth or should I Pay more and get a better breed

White Clover

adamhughes wrote: »

260 -290kg, know a guy selling 20 of these,

not bad looking but what they worth or should I Pay more and get a better breed

What age are they?

Willfarman

Buyers market for these types and for the foreseeable future. I want them in the region of 350 400€ max to leave a turn.

adamhughes

White Clover wrote: »

What age are they?

nearly a year old

White Clover

adamhughes wrote: »

nearly a year old

As willfarman says or even a shake less.

adamhughes

Willfarman wrote: »

Buyers market for these types and for the foreseeable future. I want them in the region of 350 400€ max to leave a turn.

400 they are, is there much of a turn in them ???

CloughCasey1

adamhughes wrote: »

Willfarman wrote: »

Buyers market for these types and for the foreseeable future. I want them in the region of 350 400€ max to leave a turn.

400 they are, is there much of a turn in them ???

All depends. They will more than likely be O- cattle. Given time they will grow if they dont have too much jex in them. Keep them until the end of June 2020 when grass cattle will be starting to come on stream. Make sure they are u36mts (if we still have the luxury) when slaughtered. Dont rob yourself trying to put flesh on them before 32/33mts.

TooOldBoots

A euro a kg in the current market. I wouldn't be paying anymore than €330 for them

Willfarman

There’s as much variety within breeds as there is between them. If they are square they are worth a euro a kilo more than extreme types. If they are good type and you can keep them to finish they are a safer punt than any other type of cattle at the minute.

adamhughes

Willfarman wrote: »

There’s as much variety within breeds as there is between them. If they are square they are worth a euro a kilo more than extreme types. If they are good type and you can keep them to finish they are a safer punt than any other type of cattle at the minute.

looked at the other better breeds, same weight and age and theyre near double these between 700 and 800 euro

orm0nd

if they're good square cattle , considering their age, they are good value at €400
this assumption is based on 2 marts I attended this week

wheather they are worth it from a buyer's point of view is a different matter

Water John

Ah Ormond, some on here want them for free.

Bass Reeves

I be slow to buy them at that weight. I be looking for Friesians another 100+kgs heavier at least. Make sure they are the age that is declared I want to look at the cards or tell the seller if they are over 12 months you will not be paying the agreed price. It is immaterial what prices they are at the mart. Light cattle are often bad value as lads pay more for them. I be paying no more than 330 each for them. Having said that given time and if they can be carried to June 2020 they should leave a good margin if bought right.They be plenty of what seem bargains before this end but I will still not be buying.

memorystick

adamhughes wrote: »

260 -290kg, know a guy selling 20 of these,

not bad looking but what they worth or should I Pay more and get a better breed

It's the wrong time of year for cattle that weight. They could worth a chance but you're talking long term.

Icelandicseige

Do you get docked on price if bullocks is over the 30 months Mark?

Who2

Id say youd have more out of it if you sold your feed later in the year and keep your hands in your pockets for a while. its going to be a long winter.

orm0nd

Water John wrote: »

Ah Ormond, some on here want them for free.

and nearly expect a luck penny as well.

stanflt

Lovely 400kg bf type Holsteins were sold for 420-460 in carnaross last week

A Euro a kg is all that they are worth ATM tbh

Bass Reeves

stanflt wrote: »

Lovely 400kg bf type Holsteins were sold for 420-460 in carnaross last week

A Euro a kg is all that they are worth ATM tbh

I much prefer them to the lighter ones. They be fit for slaughter i. 12 months

Panch18

Get rid of them in October 2019 in the mart and let someone else worry about finishing them

You’ll make money then

CloughCasey1

Panch18 wrote: »

Get rid of them in October 2019 in the mart and let someone else worry about finishing them

You’ll make money then

Ya see Panch its time a FR needs. They will grow and grow and then when ya think they have stopped growing then they grow more to spite ya. They will bomb along on grass and good silage with minerals indoors. Then 8 weeks before slaughter start giving them 2kg and up it to 7/8kg for the last 2 weeks. If they are good quality they will hit 780kg by time they are coming towards 36 mts (Around mid June 2020) which hopefully leaves 370kg dw so if they kill out at O-3= thats approx €1500. Next october they will be 520kg and might not get to €850.

Panch18

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Ya see Panch its time a FR needs. They will grow and grow and then when ya think they have stopped growing then they grow more to spite ya. They will bomb along on grass and good silage with minerals indoors. Then 8 weeks before slaughter start giving them 2kg and up it to 7/8kg for the last 2 weeks. If they are good quality they will hit 780kg by time they are coming towards 36 mts (Around mid June 2020) which hopefully leaves 370kg dw so if they kill out at O-3= thats approx €1500. Next october they will be 520kg and might not get to €850.

They’ll be 600kg at end of next year and will make 1,000 I reckon

Mart them and let someone else worry about the hassle of finishing them, and the cost of it

Cavanjack

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I much prefer them to the lighter ones. They be fit for slaughter i. 12 months

I'd agree with you there. If You could kill them next august/Sep at 350kg there would be a bit of a twist in them.

bosallagh88

Panch18 wrote: »

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Ya see Panch its time a FR needs. They will grow and grow and then when ya think they have stopped growing then they grow more to spite ya. They will bomb along on grass and good silage with minerals indoors. Then 8 weeks before slaughter start giving them 2kg and up it to 7/8kg for the last 2 weeks. If they are good quality they will hit 780kg by time they are coming towards 36 mts (Around mid June 2020) which hopefully leaves 370kg dw so if they kill out at O-3= thats approx €1500. Next october they will be 520kg and might not get to €850.

They’ll be 600kg at end of next year and will make 1,000 I reckon

Mart them and let someone else worry about the hassle of finishing them, and the cost of it

Would there be more of a margin in these fr lads coming into 1400-1500 at slaughter just kept ticking over until the last few weeks also taking into account the lower purchase cost than lads buying in and finishing continental Weanlings at 800+ for
300kg I know there is a lot of variables but interested to know if anyone has tried both systems?

Water John

A lad I know has made his living on Fr bullocks. He'd be very shrewd.

TooOldBoots

Panch18 wrote: »

They’ll be 600kg at end of next year and will make 1,000 I reckon

Mart them and let someone else worry about the hassle of finishing them, and the cost of it

They'll be 600kg after eating for 18 months and a half a tonne of meal each along with tucks of Silage and Summer grazing.
Even then a good few of them will not and may be still 500kg
And that the main problem with Fresians, they cost too much to fatten

tabby aspreme

If buying in at 300kgs and keeping them for 2 years , how many would you hope to finish each year on 50 acres of good grassland

Bass Reeves

tabby aspreme wrote: »

If buying in at 300kgs and keeping them for 2 years , how many would you hope to finish each year on 50 acres of good grassland

That is not where the value is at present. it the 400kg ones that are available at less than 50+ there weight. These cattle could kill 330kgs next June, they would come into near enough 1300 euro. You could keep 50 easy enough.

memorystick

Fr bullocks were great when we had surplus sugar beet and tops and our own rolled barley. But now with being more conscious of input costs, you really need to be focused on every figure. You could chance them and give them time. Bullocks need time before meal. Plenty of lads making money out of frs.

cute geoge

Bass you really push cattle ,i.e. To k/o 330kg in june '19 They would need to be 660 kg ,that would be 260 kg liveweight gain in 330 days ,would there be a good share of meal feeding to get them to that???

Bass Reeves

cute geoge wrote: »

Bass you really push cattle ,i.e. To k/o 330kg in june '19 They would need to be 660 kg ,that would be 260 kg liveweight gain in 330 days ,would there be a good share of meal feeding to get them to that???

You have to have grass for them. That is why I cannot buy at present. They be on grass from now to housing in early November. Silage only for the winter and back to grass as early as possible. Ration from mid April 3/kgs/day for 60 day. Young lads bought two last year( in August) from a mart 400kgs the stonger of the two killed 345kgs nearly 4 weeks ago, he made the QA, he made nearly 1400 euro. His companion got listeria in the shed so is a bit behind. Bought other friesians 360 in the mart (in August as well but about 10 days earlier) they came into slightly over 1220. This spring cost me 20-30kgs in LW and was feeding nearly 4kgs at times to conserve grass. Last Autumn had to house 10-15 days too early as well another 10 kgs.

Mf310

At the moment ive 50 FR calves no grass for them dont want to be feeding all my nice leafy silage to them ... giving them 1kg of an 18% calf ration also....... i know i probably should up the kgs of ration but think its too expensive .... any other straights or heard of lads feeding a soya maize meal barley mix probably work out cheaper than the ration?? Judt need something to stretch the silage

Bass Reeves

Mf310 wrote: »

At the moment ive 50 FR calves no grass for them dont want to be feeding all my nice leafy silage to them ... giving them 1kg of an 18% calf ration also....... i know i probably should up the kgs of ration but think its too expensive .... any other straights or heard of lads feeding a soya maize meal barley mix probably work out cheaper than the ration?? Judt need something to stretch the silage

Soya bean meal (10%) and Barley (90%) will be about 17% or a good beef ration 16%+ would all be a cheaper option than a calf ration. I presume that they are 4-5 months old.

You will have to get some minerals as well but it should cost less than 280/ton. No maize in it. With good silage these calves should do at least 0.5kgs/day

adamhughes

Mf310 wrote: »

At the moment ive 50 FR calves no grass for them dont want to be feeding all my nice leafy silage to them ... giving them 1kg of an 18% calf ration also....... i know i probably should up the kgs of ration but think its too expensive .... any other straights or heard of lads feeding a soya maize meal barley mix probably work out cheaper than the ration?? Judt need something to stretch the silage

hi what age are these and what are they worth in todays market