The cinema industry would disappear tomorrow if new films were released on netflix

flookdgates

With home entertainment technology having come along in leaps and bounds in recent years, it is a superior experience to the cinema in my opinion. A widescreen TV with surround sound doesn't cost a fortune anymore. My sofa is more comfortable than the seating in the cinema. I can pause the film when I want to go to the toilet or make a sandwich, adjust the volume, or watch it in my underwear. And of course the biggest advantage is you don't have to put up with the ignorant public: the texters, the chatty teens, the loud chewers, the smelly fat man.

The only reason people go to the cinema anymore is because it's the only way to see the latest films. I predict this will change within 10 years and the cinema as we know it will be a thing of the past.

I don't know about that, i like the whole experience. Not the price but it can be worth it for good movies

Kcampo

that's an astute prediction, netflix is already far better value than any cinema on the planet

The high horse brigade

I have a wide-screen TV and surround sound and still go to the cinema a few times a year. Some movies are just better in cinema surroundings. When I win the lotto I'll build a home cinema to give me the cinema experience

dulux99

To each their own but a proper imaxx cinema is a far far superior experience in my opinion. It's not even close.

Kcampo

bluewolf wrote: »

I don't know about that, i like the whole experience. Not the price but it can be worth it for good movies

true, we might instead see the fall of cinemas due to further digitization of the home and not netflix. e.g, when everyone has 7.1 surround sound and large TV's. As of right now, it is a large investment to buy the tech that would facilitate a similar experience to that of going to the cinema

Mokuba

Some movies are just meant to be seen in the cinema.

It would definitely hurt cinemas but not kill them.

troyzer

Spielberg predicted twenty years ago that cinema will eventually become an exclusive, high cost experience. I think he's probably right.

The problem is that most Irish cinemas are complete ****. Digital Cinema ruined the experience but cinephiles like me are common and are still willing to pay over the odds for print format.

There's a 70mm print of 2001 in the IFI next month, you simply cannot replicate that experience at home and I will fight you if you say you can. I was lucky enough to see a live production of Napoléon in the Royal Albert Hall a few years ago. Again, you can't do that at home. These are special experiences.

But I agree, most of the average cinema experiences are inferior to a decent 4k telly and quality sound system.

topper75

I agree OP. Unless they bring back the usher concept, the 'ignorant people' you have listed will send it the way of the dodo. One usher could manage multiple screens. They should have full authority to eject with no money back if there are excessive interruptions for others in the audience.

Hector Bellend

If there was a film with loads of fanny in it I'd consider going to the cinema.

BPKS

Whatever about Netflix, its the heatwave the cinema owners have to worry about in the short term

tylercheribini

Cinema has already survived previous harbingers of doom eg Television and Home Video, I wouldn't write the medium off just yet.

flookdgates

topper75 wrote: »

I agree OP. Unless they bring back the usher concept, the 'ignorant people' you have listed will send it the way of the dodo. One usher could manage multiple screens. They should have full authority to eject with no money back if there are excessive interruptions for others in the audience.

In an ideal world this would happen but it's a pipe-dream in today's compensation culture. Imagine if you ejected a disruptive black teen from the cinema. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen, and agitators like Paul Murphy would only be too happy to pay his legal fees.

flookdgates

tylercheribini wrote: »

Cinema has already survived previous harbingers of doom eg Television and Home Video, I wouldn't write the medium off just yet.

Bulky CRT TVs from the 1990s and grainy VHS tapes couldn't compete with cinema. Modern 4K widescreens with quality sound setups can. The time between cinema release of films and home release is getting shorter and shorter. If any studio is brave enough to simultaneously release their movie in cinemas and streaming services we would see the latter emerge as the clear winner imo.

citytillidie

flookdgates wrote: »

Bulky CRT TVs from the 1990s and grainy VHS tapes couldn't compete with cinema. Modern 4K widescreens with quality sound setups can. The time between cinema release of films and home release is getting shorter and shorter. If any studio is brave enough to simultaneously release their movie in cinemas and streaming services we would see the latter emerge as the clear winner imo.

It would all depend on what kind of deal they movie studios could make with Netflix, i mean for the 1st 2 weeks the studios get 100% of all ticket sales of a movie when it is in the cinema before it going gradually down.

Movie studios could try their own streaming services making it even worse for people

Outkast_IRE

I don't believe so, the paid streaming industry is fracturing further each month with new entrants to the market taking control of their own. Content such as disney. I see streaming as ending up similar to sky TV , or sky sports , great when it first launched but then you needed to pay extra for X , extra for y. Etc.

The cinema will be the only place you get first look at everything in a neutral venue

tylercheribini

Of course In hindsight technologies from the 1950's and 1970's look antiquated by todays standards but the same death knells were sounded for cinema then as now. Television and home video were just as cutting edge then as todays toys, im sure 4k widescreen and surround will seem just as quaint eventually.

Giraffe Box

flookdgates wrote: »

With home entertainment technology having come along in leaps and bounds....or watch it in my underwear....

.... within 10 years and the cinema as we know it will be a thing of the past.

I'm having a late lunch at the moment, was the above in bold really necessary?

blue note

Watching films at home has gotten much better over the years. Home picture quality, screen size and surround sound are incredible compared to what they were 20 years ago. That said, they still don't compare to the cinema. In particular screen size - you'll certainly never match that at home. And I enjoy the whole experience of going. At home I find it hard to get people to sit down for a whole film!

I think Speilberg could be right though. Not everyone thinks like me in relation to cinema. Some people like the OP have very small tolerance thresholds for other people bothering them, don't feel the cinema is worth the cost, don't think the big screen is that big a deal, love being able to pause a film, etc. I can imagine people's interest in going to the cinema waning and it becoming an expensive pursuit.

oneilla

flookdgates wrote: »

The only reason people go to the cinema anymore is because it's the only way to see the latest films.

There's also the social element whereby people go out with their friends, significant other or, potential significant other.

flookdgates

oneilla wrote: »

There's also the social element whereby people go out with their friends, significant other or, potential significant other.

I've noticed an increase of people going to the cinema alone in recent years. There is no social stigma attached to it anymore. And I don't understand the social aspect of the cinema. You're sitting in a dark room in silence staring at the screen. There is no social interaction. Always though the cinema was a horrible first date idea. Nowadays it's a handy excuse to get the missus to shut up for an hour or two...

whisky_galore

The smaller cinemas showing mainstream stuff will close, they're closing already. I suppose there will be a limited niche market for arthouse films.

oneilla

flookdgates wrote: »

I've noticed an increase of people going to the cinema alone in recent years. There is no social stigma attached to it anymore. And I don't understand the social aspect of the cinema. You're sitting in a dark room in silence staring at the screen. There is no social interaction. Always though the cinema was a horrible first date idea. Nowadays it's a handy excuse to get the missus to shut up for an hour or two...

Lovely... :rolleyes:

troyzer

tylercheribini wrote: »

Of course In hindsight technologies from the 1950's and 1970's look antiquated by todays standards but the same death knells were sounded for cinema then as now. Television and home video were just as cutting edge then as todays toys, im sure 4k widescreen and surround will seem just as quaint eventually.

The 35mm anamorphic projectors from the 1950s are still better than the digital projectors we have in cinemas today.

troyzer

flookdgates wrote: »

I've noticed an increase of people going to the cinema alone in recent years. There is no social stigma attached to it anymore. And I don't understand the social aspect of the cinema. You're sitting in a dark room in silence staring at the screen. There is no social interaction. Always though the cinema was a horrible first date idea. Nowadays it's a handy excuse to get the missus to shut up for an hour or two...

I do this quite a lot, especially when my partner has no interest

TheValeyard

dulux99 wrote: »

To each their own but a proper imaxx cinema is a far far superior experience in my opinion. It's not even close.

Love the new Odeon screens with lots of space, great view, big screen, recliner chairs. It's a real treat for big special effects films. Take 'Ready Player One', I really enjoyed it on the big screen, I'm sure a lot of it would have been lost on the small screen.

blue note

troyzer wrote: »

The 35mm anamorphic projectors from the 1950s are still better than the digital projectors we have in cinemas today.

Hmmm, I'm not convinced by the people who miss the days of real projectors and projectionists. Sure, in an ideal world you'll have good quality projectors and a projectionist that cares about giving the people the perfect picture whether they're showing Lawrence of Arabia for the first time or Seven Wives for Seven Daughters for the seventy-seventh time. But I asked my father what cinema was like in those days. He said you were likely to get a projectionist who might be drunk or asleep in the booth and be late putting in the next reel, having the pictures mainly pointed at the screen, but having a chunk cut off. Basically, automation improved the quality for all but the tiny percentage of cinemas who had a really good projectionist with fully working equipment.

TheValeyard

Very happy that 3D films seem to be dying out again

5rtytry56

Mokuba wrote: »

Some movies are just meant to be seen in the cinema.

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3D immersive experience for home user is coming along a good bit these days.

troyzer

blue note wrote: »

Hmmm, I'm not convinced by the people who miss the days of real projectors and projectionists. Sure, in an ideal world you'll have good quality projectors and a projectionist that cares about giving the people the perfect picture whether they're showing Lawrence of Arabia for the first time or Seven Wives for Seven Daughters for the seventy-seventh time. But I asked my father what cinema was like in those days. He said you were likely to get a projectionist who might be drunk or asleep in the booth and be late putting in the next reel, having the pictures mainly pointed at the screen, but having a chunk cut off. Basically, automation improved the quality for all but the tiny percentage of cinemas who had a really good projectionist with fully working equipment.

I sat through twenty minutes of Trainspotting 2 last year until I couldn't stand the dropped frame and poor masking and complained to the manager. It still happens today, most cinemas do not maintain equipment and definitely don't train staff.

You're probably right that I'm too young to remember mass 35mm cinemas. But the few that still project film today are all high quality.

facehugger99

I've got a projector and 7.1 surround sound system at home but I still love going to the cinema.

TheValeyard

facehugger99 wrote: »

I've got a projector and 7.1 surround sound system at home but I still love going to the cinema.

Wasn't there a lad in Limerick who got in trouble becasue he accidentally broadcasting porn from his projector onto the house wall across the street?

topper75

flookdgates wrote: »

In an ideal world this would happen but it's a pipe-dream in today's compensation culture. Imagine if you ejected a disruptive black teen from the cinema. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen, and agitators like Paul Murphy would only be too happy to pay his legal fees.

But if you can provide witnesses from the audience who state that he wasn't thrown out because of the cut of his jib rather for unsocial chatter or for fooling with his phone, then I would happily see Murphy and co have their pockets lightened by a judge awarding costs.

lardzeppelin

If you're putting on a big show, cinema is best, if it's a compact drama built around a smart script TV will do in my opinion... Depends on what your poison is...

topper75

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Wasn't there a lad in Limerick who got in trouble becasue he accidentally broadcasting porn from his projector onto the house wall across the street?

It was OK - the parish priest had insisted beforehand that all the bonking was cut out and 'disposed' of.
Shannonside Paradiso.

mr_edge_to_you

The big studios stand to lose too much to allow that to happen. Box office sales for movies are what drives the whole industry. Except for Disney (including Lucasfilm and Marvel) where merchandising and licensing are huge drivers of revenue.

wakka12

No, I love going to the cinema. Probably one of my favourite leisure activities

I wish more good movies came out though. It seems like only about one good movie comes out a month, in a world of over 7 billion people, not a lot really

SEPT 23 1989

Same stuff was said of video when it came out cinema will always survive

Calibos

This is me using Kodi in Bigscreen VR. ie. a Virtual Cinema. It really feels like you are in a Cinema watching on a 60ft wide screen.

Given its Gen 1 Consumer VR there are of course limitations. Resolution, Field of View, Size and weight of headsets, cost (more so of the PC to run it rather than the Headset itself)

Ultimately however, in about 10-15 years time we will have a Retinal resolution , full FOV Combination VR/AR (Virtual Reality/Augmented Reality) device in a sunglasses formfactor. With a simple voice command you can switch it between Augmented Reality where you see the real world with CGI overlaid over the real world and Virtual reality where the wrap around glasses will go opaque and you only see the Virtual world/CGI. All powered wirelessly by a Smartphone sized compute/battery device in your pocket. No weight on the front of your head anymore, no hair or makeup ruined, no sweaty overly enclosed eye/cheek area and no looking like a total nerd. ie. Ready for mainstream indoor or outdoor/public usage.

I won't go into all the amazing VR and AR usecases for such a device but will give some examples of Media consumption usage. You could decide to switch it to AR mode and view the big game on any of the various sized Augmented Reality screens you pinned around your home. ie. You won't have physical TV's or Projectors or Computer Monitors or Tablets. Think of all the material resources, power and space saved and of course Money saved at home and work by no one needing a physical screen anymore!

Maybe you decide to watch the replays in Godmode with an AR Hologram of the Stadium in the middle of your livingroom.

Then again, maybe you watched the game in Pay Per View VR mode where you got to watch the big game/fight/match from the best seat in the house court/ring/pitch side. Right now, the events holders can sell those premier seats to a handful of 0.1 percenter celebrities of millionaires for a few thousand dollars. With VR Pay per view they can sell that seat a million times over...a hundred million times over for €20 a piece. Same with concerts.

Maybe you just want to watch the old Dark Knight Triple Bill. The question is, do you watch it in a conventional VR iMax 500 seater cinema or do you instead watch it in the BatCave Themed VR Cinema with a lifesize Batmobile on the stage in front of the screen, with batsuits in glass cabinets along the side walls, with bats flying around your head startled by the Virtual projector light and with your friends and family all over the world watching the Triple Bill in this shared space with you all 'dressed' in Superhero Themed Avatars.

Ladies and Gentlemen. Real Cinema is dead within about 20 years. Of course there will be people who will want to watch a movie in a real 'real' cinema but the convenience and possibilities afforded by future VR/AR devices and VR cinema will lower Cinema attendances enough to make them economically unviable so it'll be tough luck for those who enjoy the real thing. Real Cinema will become niche with only a handful of venues surviving.

OldMrBrennan83

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facehugger99

Calibos wrote: »

or do you instead watch it in the BatCave Themed VR Cinema with a lifesize Batmobile on the stage in front of the screen, with batsuits in glass cabinets along the side walls, with bats flying around your head startled by the Virtual projector light and with your friends and family all over the world watching the Triple Bill in this shared space with you all 'dressed' in Superhero Themed Avatars.

No, that sounds horrific.