mini estates in rural areas?

Dickie10

does anyone know how easy isit to get planning for rural mini estates say 5-10 houses with their own entrance and water and sewage services all independent from a council?

368100

Dickie10 wrote: »

does anyone know how easy isit to get planning for rural mini estates say 5-10 houses with their own entrance and water and sewage services all independent from a council?

Surely itll depend mostly on the location and local development plan

yurtyaherne

Dickie10 wrote: »

does anyone know how easy isit to get planning for rural mini estates say 5-10 houses with their own entrance and water and sewage services all independent from a council?

Impossible I would imagine due to the local needs policy

Del2005

yurtyaherne wrote: »

Impossible I would imagine due to the local needs policy

It should be allowed, if not encouraged, around towns and villages. Might make the towns or villages viable then.

Addle

Plenty of unfinished and empty estates in rural Ireland still.
Why add to them?

listermint

Addle wrote: »

Plenty of unfinished and empty estates in rural Ireland still.
Who add to them?

There isn't though.

sydthebeat

Dickie10 wrote: »

does anyone know how easy isit to get planning for rural mini estates say 5-10 houses with their own entrance and water and sewage services all independent from a council?

Incredibly difficult.

Why would the council give permission for estates on land outside of their development boundaries which they have designated for housing?

Also, there's no such thing as "independent from council" as housing schemes can apply to be taken in charge. Perpetual management companies are not a good idea

BryanF

Dickie10 wrote: »

does anyone know how easy isit to get planning for rural mini estates say 5-10 houses with their own entrance and water and sewage services all independent from a council?

Have checked the lands status on council development plan?

Dickie10

its just that i seen a small estate of about 10 houses outside killarney on mountain rd. also seen one in cavan between ballyjamesduff and oldcastle with 4 houses. just woondered if a farmer bought 20 acres at 200,000 and made 50k on each house with 5 houses that would 250k. putting the 5 houses on 4 acres that leaves him with 16 acres paid for and making 50k profit

Pixel Eater

One-off houses are bad enough but one-off estates in the middle of nowhere that popped up during the Celtic Tiger era were even worse.

They are trying to restrict and regulate rural planning a lot more so would be very difficult to get planning permission I would imagine, unless it's on a suitable location near an existing town or village and a main road.

JimmyMW

Dickie10 wrote: »

its just that i seen a small estate of about 10 houses outside killarney on mountain rd. also seen one in cavan between ballyjamesduff and oldcastle with 4 houses. just woondered if a farmer bought 20 acres at 200,000 and made 50k on each house with 5 houses that would 250k. putting the 5 houses on 4 acres that leaves him with 16 acres paid for and making 50k profit

Your talking about 105% profit on a €200k investment, if it were that simple don't you think we would all be doing it?

Dickie10

nothing simple about it at all. how the heck could everyone do it? sure you might have to borrow up to 750000 from a bank, wheres "everyone" going to do that with vast majority already paying a mortgage. actually a very small percentage would be able to access that sort of credit and of them how many would want the hassle? you can build a very plain no frills house for 180k, finished to half decent landscaping, eg kerbs, lawn sown, no more. kitchen fitted plain ikea job. one coat of white paint inside, floor and bathrooms tiled, timber floors /carpet down. in some where within 60km of dublin this 4 bed house will sell for 220-270k with decent size garden remember 5 houses into 3 acres going to be some very spacious gardens. one house may get 300k another maybe 200k so one house perhaps 20k profit the other perhaps 80k. averaged out you caould at least worst case scenarion get your 200k profit on 5 houses, this the land 17 acres is paid for.

JimmyMW

Dickie10 wrote: »

nothing simple about it at all. how the heck could everyone do it? sure you might have to borrow up to 750000 from a bank, wheres "everyone" going to do that with vast majority already paying a mortgage. actually a very small percentage would be able to access that sort of credit and of them how many would want the hassle? you can build a very plain no frills house for 180k, finished to half decent landscaping, eg kerbs, lawn sown, no more. kitchen fitted plain ikea job. one coat of white paint inside, floor and bathrooms tiled, timber floors /carpet down. in some where within 60km of dublin this 4 bed house will sell for 220-270k with decent size garden remember 5 houses into 3 acres going to be some very spacious gardens. one house may get 300k another maybe 200k so one house perhaps 20k profit the other perhaps 80k. averaged out you caould at least worst case scenarion get your 200k profit on 5 houses, this the land 17 acres is paid for.

OK so you take exception with the term everyone, lets say more people would do it so if it were that simple. The point is as many others have pointed out previously, its not as easy as the OP makes it sound, if farm land was easily rezoned for residential developments like that developers would be doing exactly that and selling the remaining lands back to farmers and making massive profits on extremely low land costs for development. Anyway the long and the short of it is planning for something like this is a complete no no.