Ryanair attacked from all sides after recognising unions

Creative83

Is this the end for the no frills cheap flights...


The upcoming Dublin pilots strike... and now this


https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/ryanair-cabin-crew-threaten-strike-action-unless-airline-meets-demands-37080297.html

"Ryanair cabin crew threaten strike action unless airline meets demands"

"OVER 6,000 Ryanair cabin crew based in 21 countries have threatened a summer of strikes unless the airline meets demands, including pay rises and abolishing agency work." I don't blame them tbh, seems atrocious

mosstin

O'Leary's lionized by too many in this country. He's a bully whose track record of caring little for the rights of his employees is pathetic.



I hope they strike for the summer.

Grayson

Creative83 wrote: »

Is this the end for the no frills cheap flights...


The upcoming Dublin pilots strike... and now this


https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/ryanair-cabin-crew-threaten-strike-action-unless-airline-meets-demands-37080297.html

"Ryanair cabin crew threaten strike action unless airline meets demands"

We get it. You hate unions.

wexie

Sounds like they have plenty of reason to strike to be honest

Creative83

Grayson wrote: »

We get it. You hate unions.

No I don't... just the NRBU

Twenty Grand

wexie wrote: »

Sounds like they have plenty of reason to strike to be honest

There's been years of complaints from staff over pay and conditions. O Leary opened the floodgates earlier this year when he recognised unions.

I expect this is only the start.

s7ryf3925pivug

Pilots get a terrible deal these days. Significant responsibility and I expect a level of skill.

Dempsey

mosstin wrote: »

O'Leary's lionized by too many in this country. He's a bully whose track record of caring little for the rights of his employees is pathetic.



I hope they strike for the summer.

I hope its resolved, people get paid, ryanair make profits and my summer holiday is not fcuked up

Wanderer78

Ah Ryanair will be fine, about time their staff started standing up for themselves, best of luck to them

Twenty Grand

You don't need to add onto fares. The company is making record profits.

s7ryf3925pivug

Cheap flights are not a good thing.

mosstin

Dempsey wrote: »

I hope its resolved and my summer holiday is not fcuked up

Tidied that up for you.

Conservatory

Unions will make a big comeback here over the next ten years. Employers are taking the pee. It’s a race to the bottom and an abuse of people who arnt cared about by people one rung above them on the ladder.
When next year rolls around and the shareholders want more the next rung on the ladder will have their rights chipped away followed by the next rung until everybody is at the foot of the ladder holding it for the shareholder.
Half of them will still have a big stupid head on them saying
“ I should be happy to have a job”
“ I’m sick of paying taxes for dole scrounges”
“Public service are lazy”
“Teachers get too much”
“If I do a good job holding this ladder I’ll get my big break”

Gone Drinking

Why don't they just find a job at a company with better pay and conditions?

In the industry I work in, I started in a company that didn't pay very well; I got my experience and left for a company that paid better. After a few years I got to a point in the second company where I wasn't being paid as much as I could have got elsewhere, so I left and joined another company..

Wanderer78

Gone Drinking wrote:

Why don't they just find a job at a company with better pay and conditions?

Because life isn't as black or white as some seem to think it is

Twenty Grand

Creative83 wrote: »

I agree because safety is a distant second to making the most they can. It's unfortunate but that is how it works and has been a major contributor to serious incidents throughout the world

Really? In the context of Ryanair, when have they ever put safety behind making a profit?
Considering it's carried over 1 billion passengers and never had a fatality, your comment is ridiculous and untrue.

Dempsey

mosstin wrote: »

Tidied that up for you.

You wouldnt be so cynical if you were in my shoes

Creative83

Twenty Grand wrote: »

Really? In the context of Ryanair, when have they ever put safety behind making a profit?
Considering it's carried over 1 billion passengers and never had a fatality, your comment is ridiculous and untrue.

I didn't attribute it to Ryanair did I...

Twenty Grand

Creative83 wrote: »

I didn't attribute it to Ryanair did I...

It's literally the title of the thread that you yourself started. Even in the grand scheme of things, the airline industry is regulated second only to space.

Pelvis

Creative83 wrote: »

I didn't attribute it to Ryanair did I...

You said safety is a distant second to profits in a Ryanair thread. So how do you explain the fact Ryanair is one, if not THE safest airline in the world?

Hellrazer

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Why don't they just find a job at a company with better pay and conditions?

In the industry I work in, I started in a company that didn't pay very well; I got my experience and left for a company that paid better. After a few years I got to a point in the second company where I wasn't being paid as much as I could have got elsewhere, so I left and joined another company..

I made this exact point in another thread in the aviation forum.
These pilots applied for jobs in Ryanair knowing full well how badly they supposedly treat their staff. If I knew a company was that **** to work for I wouldn't even bother sending a CV in. The reply was that only Ryanair would employ a newly qualified pilot. That may be so but theres enough airlines in the world to build up your hours on. We all make sacrifices to get where we want in our careers so these pilots could find work elsewhere.


Has anyone read the letter to the union on Ryanairs website?
https://www.ryanair.com/content/dam/ryanair/2017sep/Letter%20to%20Forsa%20-%203%20July%202018.pdf

This Forsa crowd really look like they aren't willing to talk and just want a strike for the sake of it.

If Ryanair are right in that they offered 18 sit down meetings and the union never showed up it makes the union look like the bad guys here.


Either way they all need to sit down and sort this out one way or another.

Greyfox

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Why don't they just find a job at a company with better pay and conditions?

If your starting out in the industry you shouldn't be treated so poorly in the first place. I also feel sorry for the people who have worked hard all year just to have there 1 summer holiday ruined

Grab All Association

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Why don't they just find a job at a company with better pay and conditions?

In the industry I work in, I started in a company that didn't pay very well; I got my experience and left for a company that paid better. After a few years I got to a point in the second company where I wasn't being paid as much as I could have got elsewhere, so I left and joined another company..

A lot of them did. They’ve lost a lot of pilots to Norwegian

end of the road

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Why don't they just find a job at a company with better pay and conditions?

it could be for a number of reasons. they want to work for the company they are working for and want to improve the terms and conditions there, as there maybe some aspects about the company they are working for that they do like? or, there may not be any openings in other companies at the moment. i believe ryanair have lost pilots however.

Gone Drinking wrote: »

In the industry I work in, I started in a company that didn't pay very well; I got my experience and left for a company that paid better. After a few years I got to a point in the second company where I wasn't being paid as much as I could have got elsewhere, so I left and joined another company..

and that's great. however, others have another option, the option to improve the terms in the company they are working for, so have decided they wish to try and do that first. if that doesn't work, and openings come up elsewhere that offer better terms, then they likely will leave and go to one of those companies if it's feasible.

Hellrazer wrote: »

I made this exact point in another thread in the aviation forum.
These pilots applied for jobs in Ryanair knowing full well how badly they supposedly treat their staff. If I knew a company was that **** to work for I wouldn't even bother sending a CV in. The reply was that only Ryanair would employ a newly qualified pilot. That may be so but theres enough airlines in the world to build up your hours on. We all make sacrifices to get where we want in our careers so these pilots could find work elsewhere.


Has anyone read the letter to the union on Ryanairs website?
https://www.ryanair.com/content/dam/ryanair/2017sep/Letter%20to%20Forsa%20-%203%20July%202018.pdf

This Forsa crowd really look like they aren't willing to talk and just want a strike for the sake of it.

If Ryanair are right in that they offered 18 sit down meetings and the union never showed up it makes the union look like the bad guys here.


Either way they all need to sit down and sort this out one way or another.

the staff are entitled to improve their working conditions in the company they are working for, and they are going to try and do so. they may have known that the conditions they were signing up to are rubbish, but they want to improve them now.
if it is the case that ryanair are the only airline who will employ a newly qualified pilot then they are likely going to have to go with them for a time to get in the door. i would find it extremely hard to believe that the union are anything other then happy to talk, given it's in everyone's interest to try and sort this without strike action, strike action being the ultimate last resort given the members will quite likely lose pay should they strike.

Once the workers get rights, it's the beginning of the end.

Always. Ever since those bleeding heart socialists in the 19th century got a chip on their shoulder about children working in mines and factories it's been down hill.

Yours,

Ryanair, Dunnes Stores, Denis O'Brien...

endacl

Damari Sharp Linesman wrote: »

Cheap flights are not a good thing.

Correct. They’re a great thing.

RocketRaccoon

Creative83 wrote: »

I agree because safety is a distant second to making the most they can. It's unfortunate but that is how it works and has been a major contributor to serious incidents throughout the world

Ryanair make ridiculous amount of profit on top of being arguably the safest airline in the world. What waffle are you talking?

Sam Quentin

Creative83 wrote: »

I agree because safety is a distant second to making the most they can. It's unfortunate but that is how it works and has been a major contributor to serious incidents throughout the world

Ahhhhhhh c'mon
Cheap flights does not mean cheap mechanics and engineers!?

NinetyTwoTeam

But if the staff get fair pay and conditions O'Leary might not be able to buy so many racehorses.

suicide_circus

endacl wrote: »

Correct. They’re a great thing.

tell that to the polar bears

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

tell that to the polar bears

Cheap Ryanair flights to Oslo and onwards to Svalbard. Sounds like a nice trip if you speak polar bear.