Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Please note that it is not permitted to have referral links posted in your signature. Keep these links contained in the appropriate forum. Thank you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2055940817/signature-rules
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Could Circle K hasten the roll out of electric cars in Ireland ?

  • 01-07-2018 6:52am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭


    Will The monopolising of fuel forecourts encourage more people to put up with poor range of secondhand EVs ?
    As a mainly ICE driver I was finding it harder and harder NOT to do business with Topaz , with me avoiding Topaz due to relentless, "have you got a customer loyalty card ?would you like to apply for one ?"
    I also didnt like BIFFO being on the board of directors as well as Topaz always being the dearest by " miles " if they have a monopoly in this area,yet cheapest if the nearest Texaco/Maxol station is better value. I hate to see multinationals using a monopoly to gouge local customers ( think Tesco vs Aldi)
    with Circle K mopping up some more filling stations it is now almost impossible to find alternative fuel suppliers, mainly but not exclusively in Dublin.

    So unlike some people, I am skeptical about Circle K forecourt staff unconvincingly spoofing about how good their fuel is (they are not qualified petro chemical scientestists or thermodynamic engineers afaik), while they inflate the price. E.g. According to pumps.ie prices today ,Texaco Rathfarnham 143.9 /L for petrol, Circle K kilmacanogue 152.8 /L standard petrol.

    So it's becoming personal now , and personally I am more inclined to stuff a large multinational, by using my precious time waiting for an EV to charge rather than pay for inflated fuel to a monopoly .
    A few years ago ,I experimented with owning an EV , however the cheap alternative fossils fuel outweighed the attraction of Ev, but the times they are a changing.

    So a cirlle K monopoly, plus cheap tolls might finally drive demand for EVs in Ireland , it's a funny auld world .


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭tea and coffee


    I think people will just budget accordingly unfortunately.

    What does surprise me is that there hasn't been some kerfuffle about the lack of competition in the petrol station market. Surely it's against competition law for them to have such a hold on the market?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    People won't even buy petrol cars which are more suited than diesel for most of their driving never mind switch to EV, which would be the best option for most commutes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭harr


    No Monopoly down my way we have a topaz , two Texaco , Applegreen , Emo and an independent garage, maxol and an inver something or other all within 10 miles..,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭Bigus


    harr wrote: »
    No Monopoly down my way we have a topaz , two Texaco , Applegreen , Emo and an independent garage, maxol and an inver something or other all within 10 miles..,

    Long may it last , I did say Dublin is more afflicted.


  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Del2005 wrote: »
    People won't even buy petrol cars which are more suited than diesel for most of their driving never mind switch to EV, which would be the best option for most commutes.

    Not everyone can afford an ev or have access to a home charger.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 612 ✭✭✭KevinCavan


    At the moment electric cars don’t seem like a great option. There is bigger depreciation with them,it’s a bit like buying an iPhone X today and trying to sell it in three years time for a decent price. I do think that the e.u. will outlaw diesel cars in a few years though. The government here will eventually make road tax prohibitive on cars with higher emissions. The Irish need a push down the electric car route.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,573 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    KevinCavan wrote: »
    At the moment electric cars don’t seem like a great option. There is bigger depreciation with them,it’s a bit like buying an iPhone X today and trying to sell it in three years time for a decent price. I do think that the e.u. will outlaw diesel cars in a few years though. The government here will eventually make road tax prohibitive on cars with higher emissions. The Irish need a push down the electric car route.
    Is the depreciation bigger in an EV compared to ICE ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    KevinCavan wrote: »
    At the moment electric cars don’t seem like a great option. There is bigger depreciation with them,it’s a bit like buying an iPhone X today and trying to sell it in three years time for a decent price. I do think that the e.u. will outlaw diesel cars in a few years though. The government here will eventually make road tax prohibitive on cars with higher emissions. The Irish need a push down the electric car route.
    That's interesting because EVs are seeing price appreciation over the past 18 months, not depreciation.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83



    I don't think many people budget with fuel. They just consume as required, bring the vaseline and bend over at the till.
    KevinCavan wrote: »
    At the moment electric cars don’t seem like a great option. There is bigger depreciation with them,it’s a bit like buying an iPhone X today and trying to sell it in three years time for a decent price. I do think that the e.u. will outlaw diesel cars in a few years though. The government here will eventually make road tax prohibitive on cars with higher emissions. The Irish need a push down the electric car route.

    You're not following then. I could sell my 2014 Tekna for what I paid a year ago and my 2012 Acenta (also bought a year ago) for 2.5k profit today if I was so inclined.
    yabadabado wrote: »
    Is the depreciation bigger in an EV compared to ICE ?

    No. Used prices have been rising


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,518 ✭✭✭matrim


    I don't think most people care where they get their petrol / diesel. They will just go to the cheapest of the stations closer to them

    The only way circle k would affect EV take-up is if the put in a policy of having some chargers at all stations


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    BP have just bought Chargemaster. Any BP stations still here?
    https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/bp-buys-chargemaster-britains-largest-ev-charging-company#gs.2B3XkBI

    'BP said it will roll out Chargemaster chargers at its U.K. stations over the next year.'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Water John wrote: »
    BP have just bought Chargemaster. Any BP stations still here?
    https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/bp-buys-chargemaster-britains-largest-ev-charging-company#gs.2B3XkBI

    'BP said it will roll out Chargemaster chargers at its U.K. stations over the next year.'

    Bp pulled out of here years ago.
    She'll done the same, then statoil sold up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,903 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Bigus wrote: »
    Will The monopolising of fuel forecourts encourage more people to put up with poor range of secondhand EVs ?
    As a mainly ICE driver I was finding it harder and harder NOT to do business with Topaz , with me avoiding Topaz due to relentless, "have you got a customer loyalty card ?would you like to apply for one ?"
    I also didnt like BIFFO being on the board of directors as well as Topaz always being the dearest by " miles " if they have a monopoly in this area,yet cheapest if the nearest Texaco/Maxol station is better value. I hate to see multinationals using a monopoly to gouge local customers ( think Tesco vs Aldi)
    with Circle K mopping up some more filling stations it is now almost impossible to find alternative fuel suppliers, mainly but not exclusively in Dublin.

    So unlike some people, I am skeptical about Circle K forecourt staff unconvincingly spoofing about how good their fuel is (they are not qualified petro chemical scientestists or thermodynamic engineers afaik), while they inflate the price. E.g. According to pumps.ie prices today ,Texaco Rathfarnham 143.9 /L for petrol, Circle K kilmacanogue 152.8 /L standard petrol.

    So it's becoming personal now , and personally I am more inclined to stuff a large multinational, by using my precious time waiting for an EV to charge rather than pay for inflated fuel to a monopoly .
    A few years ago ,I experimented with owning an EV , however the cheap alternative fossils fuel outweighed the attraction of Ev, but the times they are a changing.

    So a cirlle K monopoly, plus cheap tolls might finally drive demand for EVs in Ireland , it's a funny auld world .
    It’s not far to compare prices in Kilmacanogue with rathfarnham. Also the Topaz fuel card gives you 4c per litre. It’s eorth getting


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭FriendsEV


    Water John wrote: »
    BP have just bought Chargemaster. Any BP stations still here?
    https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/bp-buys-chargemaster-britains-largest-ev-charging-company#gs.2B3XkBI

    'BP said it will roll out Chargemaster chargers at its U.K. stations over the next year.'

    Government should make that policy

    Not the free toll bull**** and other crap

    No chargers in your service station you can't sell fuel

    Its the only way

    Needs to be a charger in everyone

    Charging at home is for the the privileged

    We have 1 million people in rented accommodation and a lot of accommodation is unsuited for home charging


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,684 ✭✭✭waynegalway


    ELM327 wrote: »
    That's interesting because EVs are seeing price appreciation over the past 18 months, not depreciation.

    This!

    I reckon I’d get in the region of €1,500 more for my 151 LEAF now than I paid for it last November. And in that time, I’ve saved in the region of €1,500 in running costs. So, effectively a €3k gain in less than a year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    FriendsEV wrote: »
    Government should make that policy

    Not the free toll bull**** and other crap

    No chargers in your service station you can't sell fuel

    Its the only way

    Needs to be a charger in everyone

    Charging at home is for the the privileged

    We have 1 million people in rented accommodation and a lot of accommodation is unsuited for home charging

    [snip]. Plenty of council tenants have driveways, so it's not just the 5 bedroom detached houses in the leafy suburbs of the wealthy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    FriendsEV wrote: »
    Government should make that policy

    Not the free toll bull**** and other crap

    No chargers in your service station you can't sell fuel

    Its the only way

    Needs to be a charger in everyone

    Charging at home is for the the privileged

    We have 1 million people in rented accommodation and a lot of accommodation is unsuited for home charging


    When I rented, thierry, I charged at home every night.


    Now, as an apartment owner, I'm getting a charger installed at my assigned space. 10 yards from my front door.


    I don't buy this "cant get a charger" BS... it's just apologetics from an anti-ev poster who has to rereg repeatedly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,778 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    This!

    I reckon I’d get in the region of €1,500 more for my 151 LEAF now than I paid for it last November. And in that time, I’ve saved in the region of €1,500 in running costs. So, effectively a €3k gain in less than a year.

    How can you have a 3k gain, if you sell it you'll have to replace it with a car the same price that you paid in November.


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭FriendsEV


    goz83 wrote: »
    That's utter BS and you know it Thierry. Plenty of council tenants have driveways, so it's not just the 5 bedroom detached houses in the leafy suburbs of the wealthy.

    The 1 million renting?

    Apartments?

    If your in an Council House you have no business with an EV, get a cheap ice car and stop being a burden on tax payers, bad enough we are subsidising your accommodation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    FriendsEV wrote: »
    The 1 million renting?

    Apartments?

    If your in an Council House you have no business with an EV, get a cheap ice car and stop being a burden on tax payers, bad enough we are subsidising your accommodation
    ELM327 wrote: »
    When I rented, thierry, I charged at home every night.


    Now, as an apartment owner, I'm getting a charger installed at my assigned space. 10 yards from my front door.


    [snip]



    You were saying?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭FriendsEV


    ELM327 wrote: »
    When I rented, thierry, I charged at home every night.


    Now, as an apartment owner, I'm getting a charger installed at my assigned space. 10 yards from my front door.

    [snip]

    [snip]

    Most landlords will not install a charge point at a cost and most non nerds will not give a landlord a charge point from their pocket

    Why are you keep bringing re reg up?

    I want government to put charge points in all service stations, no range anxiety then

    Charging at home is not for everyone and slow

    We have service stations everywhere

    1 charge station in every service station and we don't need a battery breakthrough or have range anxiety

    You get that?

    Instead of attacking me!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 282 ✭✭FriendsEV


    [snip]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,684 ✭✭✭waynegalway


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    How can you have a 3k gain, if you sell it you'll have to replace it with a car the same price that you paid in November.

    Well, let’s say I spent €12k on it, and I get €13.5k for it as a trade in. And I’ve saved €1.5k in petrol, then I’m €3k better off than I was in November. I appreciate that I’d have to replace the car, and I have no intention of doing that at the moment. But if I really wanted to, I’d effectively be better off to the tune of €3k than I was when I bought it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    [snip]
    FriendsEV wrote: »
    Most landlords will not install a charge point at a cost and most non nerds will not give a landlord a charge point from their pocket
    Granny cable costs nothing ;)
    The word nerd does not have the meaning you are using it for.

    [snip]
    FriendsEV wrote: »

    I want government to put charge points in all service stations, no range anxiety then
    Private companies should do this, not "the government", otherwise we'll see a continuation of the ecars shambles


    FriendsEV wrote: »
    Charging at home is not for everyone and slow
    There's not an EV on the market that you can't charge to full or nearly so, overnight. Speed is not important as you generally sleep longer than 4 hours. Or perhaps you don't - which perhaps would offer some causation.
    FriendsEV wrote: »

    We have service stations everywhere

    1 charge station in every service station and we don't need a battery breakthrough or have range anxiety
    Agreed
    FriendsEV wrote: »

    You get that?

    Instead of attacking me!!


    I think you should do some research, calm down a bit and reread over our previous interactions. Take off the tinted specs for a second and you'll see I have not attacked you. So now we can stop with this baseless accusatory rubbish and move back to the issue at hand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,127 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Those circle k ads. This brand I can trust bull****. I’m buying fuel you p**cks! I fill my tank for e120 each time and I’ll never use circle k again ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    ' their part of the community', having the station about 6 months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    The garage the OP mentions the garage in Kilmac which has always been expensive as it's one of the few garages on that stretch of road. Even when it was Shell it was very expensive. I bought petrol in a Topaz garage in Mullingar for only 142.5 diesel was 132.5 there recently mind you not wasn't a company owned site as the shop was Daybreak and not Re Store.

    Also the Topaz in Kilmainham is cheap also, it depends on what the local competition is like really and not the brand. But I do not think Topaz should have been allowed takeover Esso there's too many around Dublin.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭Bigus


    Stephen15 wrote: »
    The garage the OP mentions in Kilmac has always been expensive as it's one of the few garages on that stretch of road. Even when it was Shell it was very expensive. I bought petrol in a Topaz garage in Mullingar for only 142.5 diesel was 132.5 there recently mind you not wasn't a company owned site as the shop was Daybreak and not Re Store.

    Also the Topaz in Kilmainham is cheap also, it depends on what the local competition is like really and not the brand. But I do not think Topaz should have been allowed takeover Esso there's too many around Dublin.

    That's precisely my point (formally Topaz )now Circle K will gouge you where they have a monopoly and no competition , just look at fuel prices in Tallaght where there's no competition. Where there is competition Topaz will match low prices to drive competition out of business , I don't support this tactic, dirty business.
    It's personal with me at this stage, and driving an EV is the ultimate revenge on the dirty oil industry. Fecked up the Middle East for long enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    This post has been deleted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭Bigus


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Do Lidl and Aldi charge more in the likes of Dingle etc than Dublin ?
    I don't think so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Lads once enough people switch EV, they will find a way to screw us anyway. No way will the government lose out on all the road tax and the tax on petrol. Wasn't there a big push to get us all to buy "cleaner" diesel about 10 years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,946 ✭✭✭Bigus


    Lads once enough people switch EV, they will find a way to screw us anyway. No way will the government lose out on all the road tax and the tax on petrol. Wasn't there a big push to get us all to buy "cleaner" diesel about 10 years ago.

    I think you'd get at least 5 years out of tax free EV, if not more and you can even generate your own PV energy if you had the space.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭Stephen15


    Bigus wrote: »
    Do Lidl and Aldi charge more in the likes of Dingle etc than Dublin ?
    I don't think so.

    No they don't but there is competition in places like Dingle as there is a Supervalu there too. Most places where there is a Lidl or an Aldi there is also at least a Supervalu if not a Dunnes and Tesco also. Fuel prices have always varied from place to place depending on competition.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,573 ✭✭✭✭yabadabado


    Bigus wrote: »
    Do Lidl and Aldi charge more in the likes of Dingle etc than Dublin ?
    I don't think so.

    A pointless comparison.

    Both those supermarkets have competition in Dingle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Hotels might be more the comparison. Run rates at whatever they feel the market will take.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,620 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    Bigus wrote: »
    I think you'd get at least 5 years out of tax free EV, if not more and you can even generate your own PV energy if you had the space.

    The problem with generating your own PV energy is that it's generated during the daytime when your car is typically parked in work, not at home.
    This can change though if there's some element of offtake agreements with energy suppliers insofar as you "swap" energy you generate during the day with energy to charge your car at night time.
    Needs some market reforms for that to work though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,888 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    yabadabado wrote: »
    Is the depreciation bigger in an EV compared to ICE ?


    New yes, 2nd hand no.

    I bought new in March 17, c 30k: now offered 15 cash

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,132 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    New yes, 2nd hand no.

    New no, 2nd hand no
    I bought new in March 17, c 30k: now offered 15 cash

    You are one of the few exceptions. You bought a first generation EV at the very end of its production run and you paid pretty much full whack for it. Anyone who bought a second generation EV like a Tesla, an eGolf or an Ioniq brand new when you bought your Leaf new will have had very little depreciation since then. Certainly less than any comparable ICE car


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    FriendsEV wrote: »
    The 1 million renting?

    Apartments?

    If your in an Council House you have no business with an EV, get a cheap ice car and stop being a burden on tax payers, bad enough we are subsidising your accommodation

    People renting can have a CP installed. They just need to get permission from their landlord, or they can use a granny charger.....like many home owners do.

    Apartment dwellers can also in many cases get CPs installed, but many people won't bother their arse to find out what they need to do.

    Quite a few people in council houses have very nice and expensive cars above and beyond the price of an EV. So I don't see the relevance to that part of your post, other than it being anti working class or anti EV. I am guessing it's the former, or maybe both.
    FriendsEV wrote: »

    Why are you keep bringing re reg up?

    Maybe it is brought up because you said you wouldn't be returning here for a couple of years. But instead, you put on a new coat and a pair of sunglasses and come back in with the same attitude. You're welcome in the forum, no matter your opinion, so the re reg is just plain silly. Post under Thierry and don't be a tool.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,639 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    [snip]

    Mod Note: Let's have all sides of this thing ease off the name calling and personal attacks. Civil discussions only. And for the record FriendsEV does not appear to be a re-reg of any banned or otherwise sanctioned account.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,035 ✭✭✭goz83


    ELM327 wrote: »
    He can't.
    He closed it in a huff.

    Oh, I wasn't aware. I just thought "FrindsEV" username was a bit inept.


Advertisement