Which EV would be best for a 240km daily commute (round trip)

Redchick

I've recently started a new job with a daily commute of around 240km. The bulk of the trip will be motorway of 110km - pretty much can count the number of road users for the first 90km of the motorway so not much acceleration or deceleration. Currently have a 1.5l STline Ford Focus (diesel) just under a year old. Am wondering what EV would be best. Am thinking the Hyundai Ioniq but not sure about a charging point at work.

ewj1978

At the moment you'd be looking at a Tesla. An Ioniq will do 225km in lovely weather, a L40 leaf would do 240km at a push(driving slow), Zoe40 same as a leaf.
If you can charge in between obviously you're grand but 75 miles, in old money, each way will be a Tesla territory until the next gen of EV's come out eg. a 64kw Niro/Kona.

oh ,and for Mad Lads benefit, a 94ah BMW i3 with a Rex would do it too.

Gumbo

Any chance of charging at work?
Even an outdoor socket?

Having access to a charge while your in work opens the door to every current EV available then.

Redchick

ewj1978 wrote: »

At the moment you'd be looking at a Tesla. An Ioniq will do 225km in lovely weather, a L40 leaf would do 240km at a push(driving slow), Zoe40 same as a leaf.
If you can charge in between obviously you're grand but 75 miles, in old money, each way will be a Tesla territory until the next gen of EV's come out eg. a 64kw Niro/Kona.

oh ,and for Mad Lads benefit, a 94ah BMW i3 with a Rex would do it too.

I'm going to call into a Hyundai dealer IN Saturday and will have a look at the Ioniq and Kona.

Will try find a Tesla dealer....although are they might be a bit out of my price range!!

Redchick

kceire wrote: »

Any chance of charging at work?
Even an outdoor socket?

Having access to a charge while your in work opens the door to every current EV available then.

On a fact finding mission re that....

ewj1978

Redchick wrote: »

I'm going to call into a Hyundai dealer IN Saturday and will have a look at the Ioniq and Kona.

Will try find a Tesla dealer....although are they might be a bit out of my price range!!

Kona is not available till Oct-Nov(maybe even next year).
2nd hand Tesla's in the UK start @ £34k :eek:
Only 1 Tesla place in Ireland and that's in Dundrum.

You'd realistically need a work charger or a fast charger on the route.

liamog

Without a work charger you're really pushing the range of the current EVs. You'll likely need to wait for the 60kWh models to become standard (Kona 64kWh, 2019 Leaf (not confirmed))

If your current diesel car is only a year old, you're probably better off holding it for a year or two.

Shefwedfan

Redchick wrote: »

I've recently started a new job with a daily commute of around 240km. The bulk of the trip will be motorway of 110km - pretty much can count the number of road users for the first 90km of the motorway so not much acceleration or deceleration. Currently have a 1.5l STline Ford Focus (diesel) just under a year old. Am wondering what EV would be best. Am thinking the Hyundai Ioniq but not sure about a charging point at work.

The car you have is 171/172?

yabadabado

Just out of interest what sort of daily savings would thefe bo on EV compared to diesel with 240km round trip ?

cros13

yabadabado wrote: »

Just out of interest what sort of daily savings would thefe bo on EV compared to diesel with 240km round trip ?

Depends on the vehicle but €6000 - 10000 per annum with fuel and maintenance.

I did a portlaoise to dublin commute until recently and it was €7k/annum for me vs the last time I did it in a diesel (though I think diesel was slightly more expensive at that point).

FriendsEV

yabadabado wrote: »

Just out of interest what sort of daily savings would thefe bo on EV compared to diesel with 240km round trip ?

Fuel will be about €4,500

Maintenence is negligible,

New cars with warranties we are talking about

Tyres and oil changes, not much cost there

Ev's need tyres, pads, servicing too.

Ioniq, Leaf etc are not doing 240km in winter with motorway driving, not a a chance

Teslas and 64kWh cars then

They ain't cheap, will be starting around 40k

BMW i3 rex will do a good 170-180km of that journey on electric and rest on petrol

Still save a fortune, you'd get a 181 for a bit over 30k in UK

Need to get work charging OP

Even an extension lead would do it lol

For 4.5k fuel savings I would be trying hard to get it

Ioniq would be my choice too

Time won't be kind to the new Leaf with its flaws, Ioniq is a class little EV

liamog

FriendsEV wrote: »

Teslas and 64kWh cars then

They ain't cheap, will be starting around 40k

There is almost no basis in fact to believe that either the Kona 64kWh, Niro 64kWh or Leaf 60 will be €40,000 after incentives in Ireland. Other than that your post is reasonable.

FriendsEV

liamog wrote: »

There is almost no basis in fact to believe that either the Kona 64kWh, Niro 64kWh or Leaf 60 will be €40,000 after incentives in Ireland. Other than that your post is reasonable.

Maybe i am wrong on the price

I just can't see them selling a 400km/200bhp for 35,000 here

People will buy them at 45,000, they are perfect cars

Its too good to be true at 35,000 and that never happens

Ioniq with half the range and bhp is like 30,000

A Kona with more than double the battery size and way more power for 35,000 would be insane value

Who would want an Ioniq then?

ELM327

ewj1978 wrote: »

At the moment you'd be looking at a Tesla. An Ioniq will do 225km in lovely weather, a L40 leaf would do 240km at a push(driving slow), Zoe40 same as a leaf.
If you can charge in between obviously you're grand but 75 miles, in old money, each way will be a Tesla territory until the next gen of EV's come out eg. a 64kw Niro/Kona.

oh ,and for Mad Lads benefit, a 94ah BMW i3 with a Rex would do it too.

This post could have closed the thread tbh. Agree 100% to all of it.
Ioniq owner.

FriendsEV wrote: »

Fuel will be about €4,500

Maintenence is negligible,

New cars with warranties we are talking about

Tyres and oil changes, not much cost there

Ev's need tyres, pads, servicing too.

Ioniq, Leaf etc are not doing 240km in winter with motorway driving, not a a chance

Teslas and 64kWh cars then

They ain't cheap, will be starting around 40k

BMW i3 rex will do a good 170-180km of that journey on electric and rest on petrol

Still save a fortune, you'd get a 181 for a bit over 30k in UK

Need to get work charging OP

Even an extension lead would do it lol

For 4.5k fuel savings I would be trying hard to get it

Ioniq would be my choice too

Time won't be kind to the new Leaf with its flaws, Ioniq is a class little EV

Agree with most of what you say thierry. The ioniq will do this with even 10a charging at work.

Shefwedfan

FriendsEV wrote: »

Maybe i am wrong on the price

I just can't see them selling a 400km/200bhp for 35,000 here

People will buy them at 45,000, they are perfect cars

Its too good to be true at 35,000 and that never happens

Ioniq with half the range and bhp is like 30,000

A Kona with more than double the battery size and way more power for 35,000 would be insane value

Who would want an Ioniq then?

Nice to see you back again Thierry....how is it going?

If the OP as suggested has bought a 17X car then I don't see any reason to swap. The Focus diesel should be good on fuel economy for such a long distance drive so my recommendation with the current batch of electric cars is to stay with the car you have.,...

If you plan to swap in 2-3 years the selection will be a lot better and you can have your pick at a reasonable price.

IF and that is a big IF VW release the ID range with 400km and 30k starting price that would be perfect. Or the Nissan Leaf v2.5 will be around and would be worth investing int

goz83

Put down a deposit for a model 3 and stop thinking.

But if there is a saving of 5k to be made on fuel, it's worth considering the Kona, or a Leaf 2 if you can get work charging.

ELM327

goz83 wrote: »

Put down a deposit for a model 3 and stop thinking.

But if there is a saving of 5k to be made on fuel, it's worth considering the Kona, or a Leaf 2 if you can get work charging.

Like thierry said earlier, any one of the Ioniq, Leaf40, new egolf, I3 etc will do the trip with even 10a work charging.


Otherwise yeah it's "join the queue for a model 3"!

Shefwedfan

I would do a few weeks of the drive in current car. Work out what your MPG is on. Don't take the on board computers word either. Fill XX amount of litres into the car. Then reset the km clock and work out what you get. Do that 2-3 times and record all the information.

post it up here and I am sure some of the very kind gentlemen and women will be able to work it back.

You just mention commute, any other regular drives? like weekend trips away?

liamog

ELM327 wrote: »

Like thierry said earlier, any one of the Ioniq, Leaf40, new egolf, I3 etc will do the trip with even 10a work charging.


Otherwise yeah it's "join the queue for a model 3"!

My money is on any of the 60kWh models being available before the Model3

ELM327

liamog wrote: »

My money is on any of the 60kWh models being available before the Model3

That's a whole nother story in fairness.
The kona 64kWh looks like it could be here quite soon.

slave1

The Leaf30 would be touch and go to make 120kms at a good speed in the depths of winter and a strong windy day with the AC on.

I also looked into this commute when looking at a potential new role, honestly you need to look at a Tesla Model S, preferably the 75 or 90 model, work out the math and go from there.

slave1

This is about the best value at the minute, Model S 85, good few of the upgrades included and a reset warranty so quite a bit of coverage left...£39k


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201806097343871

Redchick

Redchick wrote: »

I've recently started a new job with a daily commute of around 240km. The bulk of the trip will be motorway of 110km - pretty much can count the number of road users for the first 90km of the motorway so not much acceleration or deceleration. Currently have a 1.5l STline Ford Focus (diesel) just under a year old. Am wondering what EV would be best. Am thinking the Hyundai Ioniq but not sure about a charging point at work.

What's your route ? I'd wait for the Kona 60 Kwh minimum or another 60 Kwh , leaf 60 might be available in 2019.

If you have no work charging forget about it and forget about using public charging for commuting, it will break your heart, I did it for 9 months, never again.

You'd want to be driving 130 Km/h to do that commute in any decent time , even at 120 Km/h , cold weather, wet and wind , no current EV will do it comfortable at speed and I doubt even the 40 Kwh leaf.

I highly advise you to test drive one in the dead of winter. Even the Kona, do not commit to anything until you test drive on that commute, if driving this time of year reduce the range you get by maybe 40-50 Kms in winter.

Munster2018

Redchick wrote: »

I've recently started a new job with a daily commute of around 240km. The bulk of the trip will be motorway of 110km - pretty much can count the number of road users for the first 90km of the motorway so not much acceleration or deceleration. Currently have a 1.5l STline Ford Focus (diesel) just under a year old. Am wondering what EV would be best. Am thinking the Hyundai Ioniq but not sure about a charging point at work.

I would be careful unless you have access to a dedicated charging point at work. Also reduce advertised maximum mileage by 20%. I'm not sure the technology is good enough yet given the charging network in Ireland. On the other hand, it's greener and cheaper. The TESLA may set you back 80k though

Redchick

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Redchick wrote: »

I've recently started a new job with a daily commute of around 240km. The bulk of the trip will be motorway of 110km - pretty much can count the number of road users for the first 90km of the motorway so not much acceleration or deceleration. Currently have a 1.5l STline Ford Focus (diesel) just under a year old. Am wondering what EV would be best. Am thinking the Hyundai Ioniq but not sure about a charging point at work.

The car you have is 171/172?

172

Redchick

FriendsEV wrote: »

yabadabado wrote: »

Just out of interest what sort of daily savings would thefe bo on EV compared to diesel with 240km round trip ?

Fuel will be about €4,500

Maintenence is negligible,

New cars with warranties we are talking about

Tyres and oil changes, not much cost there

Ev's need tyres, pads, servicing too.

Ioniq, Leaf etc are not doing 240km in winter with motorway driving, not a a chance

Teslas and 64kWh cars then

They ain't cheap, will be starting around 40k

BMW i3 rex will do a good 170-180km of that journey on electric and rest on petrol

Still save a fortune, you'd get a 181 for a bit over 30k in UK

Need to get work charging OP

Even an extension lead would do it lol

For 4.5k fuel savings I would be trying hard to get it

Ioniq would be my choice too

Time won't be kind to the new Leaf with its flaws, Ioniq is a class little EV

I'll check the i3 out. Lol - I did mention an extension lead to a colleague!! Imagine how funny that'd look.

I'm only a week into the new job but I've put €80 into the tank this week so reckon you're pretty spot on with the €4.5k p.a.

Redchick

Shefwedfan wrote: »

FriendsEV wrote: »

Maybe i am wrong on the price

I just can't see them selling a 400km/200bhp for 35,000 here

People will buy them at 45,000, they are perfect cars

Its too good to be true at 35,000 and that never happens

Ioniq with half the range and bhp is like 30,000

A Kona with more than double the battery size and way more power for 35,000 would be insane value

Who would want an Ioniq then?

Nice to see you back again Thierry....how is it going?

If the OP as suggested has bought a 17X car then I don't see any reason to swap. The Focus diesel should be good on fuel economy for such a long distance drive so my recommendation with the current batch of electric cars is to stay with the car you have.,...

If you plan to swap in 2-3 years the selection will be a lot better and you can have your pick at a reasonable price.

IF and that is a big IF VW release the ID range with 400km and 30k starting price that would be perfect. Or the Nissan Leaf v2.5 will be around and would be worth investing int

Am hoping that as I get used to the longer drive I'll learn to be more economical - I got around 700km from 45l but am going to try keep the Speedo at around 115 and see what kind of difference that makes.

Redchick

slave1 wrote: »

This is about the best value at the minute, Model S 85, good few of the upgrades included and a reset warranty so quite a bit of coverage left...£39k


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201806097343871

Lovely car....but wow it's pricey. Will definitely look at them though and see if the cost saving on fuel negates the high monthly repayments.

Redchick

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I would do a few weeks of the drive in current car. Work out what your MPG is on. Don't take the on board computers word either. Fill XX amount of litres into the car. Then reset the km clock and work out what you get. Do that 2-3 times and record all the information.

post it up here and I am sure some of the very kind gentlemen and women will be able to work it back.

You just mention commute, any other regular drives? like weekend trips away?

Will do that. The mileage on my car is very low at the moment and am wondering would the fact that it's not "well travelled" yet be a factor in fuel economy?

Not many long trips at the weekend - other half works most Saturdays. Woukd just be tipping round town and maybe a max 40/50km occasional drive.

Redchick

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Redchick

Deleted User wrote: »

Redchick wrote: »

I've recently started a new job with a daily commute of around 240km. The bulk of the trip will be motorway of 110km - pretty much can count the number of road users for the first 90km of the motorway so not much acceleration or deceleration. Currently have a 1.5l STline Ford Focus (diesel) just under a year old. Am wondering what EV would be best. Am thinking the Hyundai Ioniq but not sure about a charging point at work.

What's your route ? I'd wait for the Kona 60 Kwh minimum or another 60 Kwh , leaf 60 might be available in 2019.

If you have no work charging forget about it and forget about using public charging for commuting, it will break your heart, I did it for 9 months, never again.

You'd want to be driving 130 Km/h to do that commute in any decent time , even at 120 Km/h , cold weather, wet and wind , no current EV will do it comfortable at speed and I doubt even the 40 Kwh leaf.

I highly advise you to test drive one in the dead of winter. Even the Kona, do not commit to anything until you test drive on that commute, if driving this time of year reduce the range you get by maybe 40-50 Kms in winter.

travel on the M6 from Tullamore to Galway. Takes 1hr and 10 if I stick around 120...but can do it in around an hr if pressing 130(ish) for most of the journey.

Great advice re the rest drive in winter

mfceiling

The new Nissan leaf is advertising 378kms on a single charge. Is this lies?

yabadabado

That would be ideal conditions, I think some mentioned earlier you could knock off 20% of the range for real world driving.

I'm sure someone here will give a better indication.

_dof_

yabadabado wrote: »

That would be ideal conditions, I think some mentioned earlier you could knock off 20% of the range for real world driving.

I'm sure someone here will give a better indication.

Well, to give an indication, I recently drove from Tullamore to Galway in my 40kWh Leaf. Left with 100%, and drove the M6 at 110kph. Went to Salthill and back to the City centre. I had about 20% battery left after that.

Note, on the day there was a very strong headwind the whole way, so that really used a lot of power. I wouldn't have made it if I tried to go at 120kph I'd say.

So, as others have said, there's no chance it's a suitable commuting distance in an L40 without guaranteed charging in work. I struggled to get a charge in Galway, the slow charger gave me very little in over 2 hours for some reason, and the fast charger near the college wasn't working. So I had to get a charge at the fast charger across from the airport, which was grand, but it's not really suitable for a daily journey.

Shefwedfan

You have a brand new car more or less. If you are putting in 80 quid a week and doing 5 x 120km. Then that is 1,200km per week. So that works out at 0.06 cent per km. Now the rest of the people on here can do the maths on electric but I don't think you are going to see a lot better cost/km.

The current range of electric cars are not really built for that mileage....I know some people on here do it but they will have constant issues about blocked chargers/charger not working etc etc etc

In the next 24 months you will have the Kona and Niro 64kWh out. VW will have the replacement for the eGolf(Neo). Based on the thread here the Tesla Model 3 will be out.....maybe another few that will be able to do that distance in comfort.

Even with the i3 REX you will be running on petrol nearly every day as you wont be able to do the distance on battery alone.

You are going to lose a fortune on your car because Ford don't have an electric car so you either try and sell yourself or trade in. Selling yourself will have issues as car will be high value and also people will be wondering why you are selling a car less than 12 months old. In a trade in the garage will give you little as again car is less than 12 months old. You will probably lose 5-6k on the purchase price. That is a hell of a lot of km of diesel.

Personally, if I was you....I would keep your current car......monitor this forum for the next 24 months and wait for options to come in. Also you will be in work longer so get to know the people and see about car charger installed for staff.

I am one person who loves to swap a car every few months, usually for crazy ideas but in this case I think you are better holding on......

Unless of course you are loaded and can spend 50k on a Tesla :-)

ewj1978

mfceiling wrote: »

The new Nissan leaf is advertising 378kms on a single charge. Is this lies?

Total BS from Nissan. According to the EPA (fairly accurate)its 242km. WLTP (not as accurate) is 278km.

Its like all other manufacturers and their claimed MPG.

AC should give 6 Kwh back to the battery after 1 hr, 12 Kwh after 2 hrs etc, nothing to be sniffed at, AC can greatly reduce the time needed at fast chargers.

Most if not all the ESB charge points are shown to be 22 Kw 3 phase on the ecars map but there are some 3 kw AC points around, I think I've seen some 3 Kw charge points in Galway, Arklow and Dublin but I'm sure there are a lot more.

Leaf 40 has 6.6 Kw charger as standard now doesn't it ?

Redchick

Redchick wrote: »

I travel on the M6 from Tullamore to Galway. Takes 1hr and 10 if I stick around 120...but can do it in around an hr if pressing 130(ish) for most of the journey.

Great advice re the rest drive in winter

There's no point trying to save energy in an EV if you do not have to, the beauty about electric is that if you have the range you can put the boot down because electricity is so cheap.

Regarding the Kona, it has around 60 Kwh so if you can get 19-20 kwh/100 km at 130 Km/h that would give you 5 Km per Kwh which would get you 300 kms to empty and that would be good getting 20 Kwh/100 km at 130 Km/h.

There would be potential to drive that horrid commute a bit faster than 130 too and all for around 4 euro 20 cent on night rate electricity or just over 20 euro's per week. Actually probably less because you probably won't use all of 60 Kwh.

You could probably pick up a 2nd i3 94 ah rex for less money than a new Kona 60 kwh but it will cost you more per week in petrol as stated above it will be good for about 170 kms (or up to 210 kms on older national routes) but at 130 Kph about 150 maybe a bit more Kms so that would be 70 kms per day on petrol or less if you can squeeze a 10 min fast charge on the way home, the beauty about the i3 is that you can use the generator or stop to charge you got the choice but in a battery only Ev if you have to charge and there is a queue then you have to wait, in the i3 you don't.

I drove up to Dublin yesterday and got to Naas with about 20% , there were 2 leafs, one charging and one waiting, this would have cost me anything up to an hour in waiting + 30 odd mins for my own charge so the convenience of having a backup generator really is fantastic.

You will loose a lot of money on a 172 you might be better to keep it a few years though you stand to save a lot on fuel if you change to ev.

So you have really 2 choices, i3 94 ah rex or wait for 60 Kwh Kona or 60 Kwh leaf , I would not ever depend on fast charging or work charging for that mental commute, as someone who got screwed too many times I would not like to see anyone go through the same on such a commute after a days work.

I have work charging but before we got more charge points they could fail leaving me having to use the fast chargers in my old 24 Kwh leaf so never depend on any work or public charging for a commute.

unkel

ewj1978 wrote: »

Total BS from Nissan. According to the EPA (fairly accurate)its 242km.

And please note that the EPA test speed goes up to 120km/h but only for a few seconds. If you do a motorway commute at about 120km/h, the real range of any EV is way less than the EPA range. Particularly if the car is not very aerodynamic like the Leaf

unkel

unkel wrote: »

And please note that the EPA test speed goes up to 120km/h but only for a few seconds. If you do a motorway commute at about 120km/h, the real range of any EV is way less than the EPA range. Particularly if the car is not very aerodynamic like the Leaf

+ throw cold weather and very wet roads + strong headwind all see range drop.

Redchick

Thanks a million for all the advice. It's given me lots to think about. I'm leaning towards holding onto the diesel and wait til it's a few years old before considering selling it or trading it in. Hopefully in 2 or 3 years time there will be a larger range and choice of EV with larger batteries.

Redchick

Redchick wrote: »

Thanks a million for all the advice. It's given me lots to think about. I'm leaning towards holding onto the diesel and wait til it's a few years old before considering selling it or trading it in. Hopefully in 2 or 3 years time there will be a larger range and choice of EV with larger batteries.

I wouldn't rule the Kona out yet, wait until it is available and take it for a drive on your commute in Winter, when it's cold. This will give you a very good idea what to expect.

The Kona will most likely meet your commute at the speed limit or a bit above. See if you can get work charging.

In 2-3 years ? I wouldn't hold my breath + I don't think we'll see greater than 60 Kwh electrics for some time to come that are affordable.

Anyway, the worst thing that happens on a test drive is you get a free car and a cheap commute for a day or two !

If you do get an EV come back and let us know what you got !

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

I wouldn't rule the Kona out yet, wait until it is available and take it for a drive on your commute in Winter, when it's cold. This will give you a very good idea what to expect.

The Kona will most likely meet your commute at the speed limit or a bit above. See if you can get work charging.

In 2-3 years ? I wouldn't hold my breath + I don't think we'll see greater than 60 Kwh electrics for some time to come that are affordable.

Anyway, the worst thing that happens on a test drive is you get a free car and a cheap commute for a day or two !

If you do get an EV come back and let us know what you got !

Based on the current pricing the Kona will be in high 30's

Give it 2-3 years. OP will get value out of the car they just purchased and choice will be in market. At that stage you should have

Leaf Gen 2.1 60kWh and proper cooling
Renault Zoe 60kWh
Kona
Niro
Kia Soul 60kWh
Ioniq 60kWh
VW Neo 60kWh
All the spin off's from VW Neo(Seat, Skoda, Audi etc etc)
VW Crozz + spin off's
Tesla 3(probably :P)

Not a bad selection to be honest and without the permium brands like Jag etc
That the entry range as well

On the other hand the OP stands to save a lot on fuel in the 2-3 years.

yabadabado

When are we likely to be able to buy Ioniq 60Kwh or Neo?
At least a year away ?

I was looking at the Kona but think id rather a hatchback/Saloon but would want one with a bigger battery.
The 2 above would tick that box.

unkel

yabadabado wrote: »

When are we likely to be able to buy Ioniq 60Kwh or Neo?
At least a year away ?

And the L60 and the Tesla Model 3. All of them unlikely to be on Irish plates until 2020

I'm with Mad Lad here. Kona 64kWh should fit the bill and it should be available to test drive and order next month. For sure at about €35k or so, it ain't a cheap car for what it is, but the savings on fuel alone on a 240km commute will be huge compared with a petrol / diesel car. OP should test drive and do some sums.

I expect the Kona EV to sell out very quickly though. Yes, even in Ireland.

ELM327

Ioniq 60kWh has not even been hinted at by Hyundai?
There was talk of a 40kWh step but that was not done it seems.

Shefwedfan

Before I reply to each comment....

Did you read what the OP(Redchick) posted. She said in 2-3 years.

The list of cars I mentioned should be all available in 2-3 years

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

On the other hand the OP stands to save a lot on fuel in the 2-3 years.

See previous post from me after I asked about diesel:

You have a brand new car more or less. If you are putting in 80 quid a week and doing 5 x 120km. Then that is 1,200km per week. So that works out at 0.06 cent per km. Now the rest of the people on here can do the maths on electric but I don't think you are going to see a lot better cost/km.

As the car is brand new and if OP sells now they will lose circa 4-5k on the car. I am not sure how much electricity would cost to charge the car each night to do 120km.

Dont get me wrong, I think electric is best way to go but the OP has just bought the car. It is hardly 12 months old. It is the worst time to sell on car as they will lose a fortune. If he/she drives for 1-2 years the depreciation will reduce.

Also the recommendations are all for a Kona which is not available and doesn't look to be available till next year. No idea on price yet with most people saying between 30-40k with the high spec closer to 40k.

Shefwedfan

yabadabado wrote: »

When are we likely to be able to buy Ioniq 60Kwh or Neo?
At least a year away ?

I was looking at the Kona but think id rather a hatchback/Saloon but would want one with a bigger battery.
The 2 above would tick that box.

Neo according to all reports will be in VW dealers next year and delivery in 2020.

I am taking a stab at Ioniq 60kWh. They mentioned a 40kWh but this never appeared so you would think when they announce the replacement they would offer the same batteries as in the other cars(Kona).