Nenagh to Galway/Athlone/Roscommon town in a 30kW Leaf: Public charging?

Calahonda52

Will be doing
Nenagh to Galway/Headford
Nenagh Athlone Roscommon
on a regular basis from next month
any intel on the public chasing infrastructure along these roads would be appreciated.

My instinct is to go back to ICE before the winter but will give it a go in the 30 kW Leaf for summer/autumn.
Thanks as always

ELM327

Nenagh to headford is about 120 km
Nenagh to Athlone to roscommon is the same.

You should make those easily all year round in a 30 kWh leaf if you had destination chargng

Relying daily on the public "infrastructure" will drive you mental and should be avoided at all costs.

Calahonda52

ELM327 wrote: »

Relying daily on the public "infrastructure" will drive you mental and should be avoided at all costs.

My sentiments entirely.
What is the real range on the L40?

ELM327

Calahonda52 wrote: »

My sentiments entirely.
What is the real range on the L40?

You wont get either of the trips above comfortably in it, that's for sure.
Not without driving slowly to account for the poor aerodynamics.
And in winter that will not be enough.


240km of motorway driving at motorway speed (125km/h indicated) is not possible in any EV really beyond Tesla.


You could look at getting a 94ah I3 rex and do the last few KM on petrol (but I expect like most EV owners you dont want to use any fossil fuels)


I'd suggest looking at the available destination charging. Even a 3 pin plug for 2-3 hours would make that doable in the likes of an Ioniq or Leaf40.

slave1

Queues are getting longer at Rapids, try it for a while but I think you will soon revert to ICE, public charging just not capable of supporting this commute for you. The Athlone charger was out of action three times this year but fine now, there was a guy out doing software upgrades to both the 22km and Rapid charger in Athlone yesterday and it was fitted with a new cable about two months ago as someone drove over the original one (which was a horrible connection) and left it out of action for two weeks.

Calahonda52

Thanks for the intel: am looking at the idea of taking a company car: however I don't think the math stacks up.
They have one with an OMV of 24,000 euro

I did a rough calc which suggests about 2,000 kms a month or 24,000 a year which is the minimum business mileage so will attract the full 30% BIK.
I pay tax at the top rate so the cash payment per month would be 300 euro [24k euro by 30% by 50% tax etc] There would be no personal mileage.

For using my own car, they pay the CS rates so 24,000kms would pay euro 8,895 in full year for a 1,500 cc car.... or 741 euro/month


The 2,000kms per month would be over about 7 or 8 days a month.

Would welcome your insights on this puzzle.

ps they only pay the mileage based on google maps shortest distance, whereas I think I would use the motorway via limerick for the Galway trips

JackieChan

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Thanks for the intel: am looking at the idea of taking a company car: however I don't think the math stacks up.
They have one with an OMV of 24,000 euro

I did a rough calc which suggests about 2,000 kms a month or 24,000 a year which is the minimum business mileage so will attract the full 30% BIK.
I pay tax at the top rate so the cash payment per month would be 300 euro [24k euro by 30% by 50% tax etc] There would be no personal mileage.

For using my own car, they pay the CS rates so 24,000kms would pay euro 8,895 in full year for a 1,500 cc car.... or 741 euro/month


The 2,000kms per month would be over about 7 or 8 days a month.

Would welcome your insights on this puzzle.

ps they only pay the mileage based on google maps shortest distance, whereas I think I would use the motorway via limerick for the Galway trips

Last years budget temporarily removed bik on full evs over the next 2-4 years. The timeline is a bit vague and may be firmed up in this years budget.

Calahonda52

Okay, so went to trade up my 30 for a 40 today
40 version is 36,140 less 5k discount so 31,140

My 30 has 35k kms on it from March 2017, which dealer deemed high.


So what do you think he wanted in cash as a top up for me to drive the 40 off the lot?

I paid c 29,000

In other words what do you think the depreciation was?


Any way I am going to sell the 30 privately and have bought a 07 1.6 Toyota Aventis.


Anyway

ewj1978

bet he offered 15.

Calahonda52

ewj1978 wrote: »

bet he offered 15.

16:D,
which means it is depreciating at 40 cents a km, or c 1,000 a month, or by 50% in 16 months.

ELM327

Calahonda52 wrote: »

16:D,
which means it is depreciating at 40 cents a km, or c 1,000 a month, or by 50% in 16 months.

16 isnt so bad considering they are retailing between 18-20 at the moment and going down as the new leaf becomes more available.

Calahonda52

ELM327 wrote: »

16 isnt so bad considering they are retailing between 18-20 at the moment and going down as the new leaf becomes more available.

Hopefully the 40 buyers will suffer even more depreciation when the 60 comes out and that the 60's... when the 80....:D:D:D

Any thoughts on 35,000km in 16 months being deemed high mileage or was that just a sales slap down?

It was serviced at 30000 km which was also the 12 months..

ELM327

Oh they will for sure. The 40 will depreciate like a stone if Nissan release a model next year with 60kWh and no rapidgate with 100kW dc/22kW ac charging. But that's another story.

35k km is not high in the real world, even less so in an EV. But it just sounded like he didnt want your car to retail and it was a PFO "offer".
The market for private EVs is buzzing, you won't be long selling that. Just not for much more than the dealer offered. If i was a betting man I'd bet on 18k with a +1 spread.

Round Cable

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Any thoughts on 35,000km in 16 months being deemed high mileage or was that just a sales slap down?

I would have to agree with that, the average Irish car adds 20,000km per year, or 27,000km over 16 months.

So that would make it about 25% higher milage than the average car, and I would imagine many electric cars would be used by shorter distance commuters that would be well below the 20,000km average.

Calahonda52

ELM327 wrote: »

Oh they will for sure. The 40 will depreciate like a stone if Nissan release a model next year with 60kWh and no rapidgate with 100kW dc/22kW ac charging. But that's another story.

35k km is not high in the real world, even less so in an EV. But it just sounded like he didnt want your car to retail and it was a PFO "offer".
The market for private EVs is buzzing, you won't be long selling that. Just not for much more than the dealer offered. If i was a betting man I'd bet on 18k with a +1 spread.

At those numbers I will keep it as the job may not last that long

ELM327

Calahonda52 wrote: »

At those numbers I will keep it as the job may not last that long

I swear I hadn't looked at donedeal before my post. :P :pac:
But there's a plethora of 30kWh listed at or just under the 18k mark.


Owning a car from new for 2-3 years you're always going to take most of the depreciation hit.


https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/30kwh-nissan-leaf-choice-of-3/19039903 €17900 from a dealer


https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/30-kwh-bigger-battery-leaf-2016/18840870 €17950 from a dealer


https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/162-nissan-leaf-30kwh-6-6-charger/18773152 €18k private sale


https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-long-range-30kwh/18839398 €18500 from a dealer.

unkel

You'll get a L40 for a lot less than your L30 + 16k. Wait a few months (until #rapidgate has become a real issue for some L40 owners who weren't aware of it or weren't expecting it could get really bad in some circumstances). Sell your L30 privately. They are keeping their value quite well at the moment (compared to L24), but that mightn't last. Buy an L40 privately in Ireland (or bring one in from the UK). I would aim for around 10k cost to change or less. Keep us updated!

Calahonda52

30mpg= 9.4 litres/100km
40mpg = 7.0 litres 100km

assume euro /1.50 litre

30mpg= 9.4 litres/100km= euro 14/100 km
40mpg = 7.0 litres 100km= euro 10.5/100 km

Once you get beyond 5,500km mileage for a 1.6 l car, the rate is 32.21 cents/km
I am already at 6,000 this year
so
30mpg= 9.4 litres/100km= euro 14 / euro 32.21
40mpg = 7.0 litres 100km= euro10.5 / euro 32.21

I will be driving about 2,000 kms a month so
euro 280 / 662
euro 220 / 662

so take an average
each month I will pay out euro 260 in petrol alone for euro 662 in expenses, before insurance/tax/maintenance/etc.

Is it worth it?