Just for the craic

2shea

So say you were given €6000 could either buy a new Rolex or spend it on 2 cheaper watches... say Tudor (because I like them). And you have to keep them no selling or flipping or any of that nonsense

So either 1 watch and blow all the money or buy 2 cheaper watches?

What would you do?

I would buy two, a nice dress watch and a diver.

The_Guvnor

Great question! And a tough one to answer too, as one could have say a Tudor Black Bay and Seiko Presage Cocktail Time brand new; and still have thousands left over.
But if I am honest; I would just go for one high quality piece; such as an Omega Planet Ocean (42mm), or Rolex 214270 Explorer (39mm) brand new.
Reason being, they really are single pieces that would serve a man very well for his entire life.
Also they are the kind of pieces a man would leave to his son one day.
Which pieces would you go for yourself?
How about a Pelagos for your diver, and Longines Flagship (39mm) for your dress watch?
https://www.montredo.com/en/longines-flagship-39-automatic-leather-l48744122-6348.html?cur=0&country_code=ie&country=ie&lang=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwjZjZBRAZEiwAPeLSKzaOfRLmp6CidMR5fFCkipGRCRMlipWcSzlFqywD8rhJ12ISZoBYVBoCdX4QAvD_BwE

btkm8unsl0w5r4

You always have your money in Rolex, so when it comes to trade you have lost nothing. Omega tends to loose half its value, and that stays lost.

Wibbs

Alfred Stocky Matchmaker wrote: »

Omega tends to loose half its value, and that stays lost.

+1, which is why I'd go secondhand, let someone else take the hit of depreciation.

The_Guvnor

Alfred Stocky Matchmaker wrote: »

You always have your money in Rolex, so when it comes to trade you have lost nothing. Omega tends to loose half its value, and that stays lost.

A good point. Seamasters are great value secondhand as a result. Rolex on the other hand can appreciate in value; so are a better investment.
At £5450 GBP (6225 Euro) the Submariner 114060 (no-date) is slightly above the 6K budget proposed. But I feel a Submariner is one of the best Rolex pieces to collect; as often they are sought after and appreciate.
I would say that or an Explorer, which is also a lovely piece under the 6K budget.

Bluefoam

I'd get an IWC... feck the Rolex & two cheaper watches... IWC is the thinking man's watch. Rolex are for salesmen & Omegas are for accountants who can't afford a Rolex :P Rolex might appreciate in value if you never wear it... but you might actually enjoy wearing the IWC... There's much better investments than watches & if you need to justify a watch purchase by pretending you can predict its increase in value in future years, you probably shouldn't be buying the watch...

Bluefoam

VostokIreland wrote: »

A good point. Seamasters are great value secondhand as a result. Rolex on the other hand can appreciate in value; so are a better investment.
At £5450 GBP (6225 Euro) the Submariner 114060 (no-date) is slightly above the 6K budget proposed. But I feel a Submariner is one of the best Rolex pieces to collect; as often they are sought after and appreciate.
I would say that or an Explorer, which is also a lovely piece under the 6K budget.

So... you'd expect a 6k Rolex to appreciate in value? Interesting...

The_Guvnor

Bluefoam wrote: »

So... you'd expect a 6k Rolex to appreciate in value? Interesting...

Yes, for example compare the new price of this 2007 Submariner no-date 14060M was £4350 GBP, secondhand it sells today for £6K GBP etc.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rolex-Submariner-14060M-2-Liner-Non-date-Full-Set/302773682990?hash=item467eb7c32e:g:JkUAAOSwGNxbJPDw

The same is the case for the current 2018 version 114060 (compare new RRP to secondhand in link below).
http://www.watchfinder.ie/Rolex/Submariner/114060/23128/item/107961

So you see some pieces (steel sports models for example) appreciate and sell for more on the grey market than their new RRP. Part of this is due to the supply/demand drought Rolex has created due to the typical 1-2 year waiting lists on a steel sports piece. So buyers in the grey market will pay above say the original 6K etc original RRP to avoid the long wait and get their piece now.
One last example. I was on a waiting list for one year for my 114060 at the Rolex Boutique in London. I paid £5450 GBP (6250 Euro) for it. Then sold it for 7.5K Euro to (partly) fund the purchase of my 116613LN. The Irish RRP for a 114060 is currently 7K Euro you see, but that is with a 12 month wait typically. So my buyer was happy to pay 500 Euro over the Irish RRP to get one now without the 12 month wait. So you see that 6.25K piece now becomes 7.5K overnight.
This isn't the case with every 6K Rolex of course; but it's the reality for high-demand pieces such as the Submariner.

blue5000

Just for ships and giggles I'd have a look at a Nomos tangente and a Longines Legend diver. But in reality I'd tax the car, pay last years outstanding bills, etc.

Cienciano

No selling or flipping, so going up in value doesn't matter.

blue5000 wrote: »

Just for ships and giggles I'd have a look at a Nomos tangente and a Longines Legend diver. But in reality I'd tax the car, pay last years outstanding bills, etc.

Someone ban blue5000!

I'd love to get 6 watches at around €1k each. But that's not an option, so I'd go with 2.
https://www.chrono24.com/hamilton/jazzmaster-day-date-auto--id8368448.htm
Leaves me with over 5k.
https://www.chrono24.com/all/grand-seiko-sbge015-spring-drive-gmt--id8345264.htm

The_Guvnor

blue5000 wrote: »

Just for ships and giggles I'd have a look at a Nomos tangente and a Longines Legend diver. But in reality I'd tax the car, pay last years outstanding bills, etc.

Both lovely pieces. Credit where credit is due; you have good taste in watches.
Nomos is like Stowa in that they both make excellent quality/value pieces, but tend to get overlooked for Swiss made pieces.
I also think Oris is another brand that is excellent; but just doesn't have the brand recognition of the other Swiss brands.
With regard to paying ones bills v blowing thousands on watches, I have always lived for today really. Even at 23 I blew every pound I had to my name buying my first Submariner and lived broke for a month after until I got paid again; walking to work in the rain as I didn't have money to put petrol in my car etc. My father thought I was mad then, just as he thought I am mad now when I paid 11.3K for my 116613LN.
But that is just the way I am; I care more about having a piece than taxing my car etc. If I die tomorrow, maybe my electric bill goes unpaid, but my Submariner will be on my wrist anyway.

The_Guvnor

Cienciano wrote: »

No selling or flipping, so going up in value doesn't matter.


Someone ban blue5000!

I'd love to get 6 watches at around €1k each. But that's not an option, so I'd go with 2.
https://www.chrono24.com/hamilton/jazzmaster-day-date-auto--id8368448.htm
Leaves me with over 5k.
https://www.chrono24.com/all/grand-seiko-sbge015-spring-drive-gmt--id8345264.htm

Nice choices. I love the dial layout of the Hamilton, with the day-date complications at 12 and 6. Great value/quality at the price tier too.
With regard to the Grand Seiko, I had never seen that piece before to be honest with you.
Difficult to choose between one 6K piece and 2 less expensive ones really; as there are so many desirable options for one dress and one diver.
I think for one piece only I would have to go for a Rolex Explorer.
For 2 pieces (dress and diver) I would go for a; Longines Flagship and Tudor Black Bay.

Cienciano

VostokIreland wrote: »

Nice choices. I love the dial layout of the Hamilton, with the day-date complications at 12 and 6. Great value/quality at the price tier too.
With regard to the Grand Seiko, I had never seen that piece before to be honest with you.
Difficult to choose between one 6K piece and 2 less expensive ones really; as there are so many desirable options for one dress and one diver.
I think for one piece only I would have to go for a Rolex Explorer.
For 2 pieces (dress and diver) I would go for a; Longines Flagship and Tudor Black Bay.

I don't know what grand seiko I'd get, probably a spring drive anyway. I just picked that one cos I was in a rush. TBH, I have "simple" taste, once I look over about 5k I sort of lose interest, lot of flash brands just don't do it for me.

The_Guvnor

Cienciano wrote: »

I don't know what grand seiko I'd get, probably a spring drive anyway. I just picked that one cos I was in a rush. TBH, I have "simple" taste, once I look over about 5k I sort of lose interest, lot of flash brands just don't do it for me.

I respect the quality of Grand Seiko, and have no doubt they well justify their price.
But when it comes to Seiko dive watches I wouldn't go to that tier. Reason being the SRP777 and SLA017 (62MAS reissue) appeal to me more for their vintage looks respectively. I just love the retro Turtle and 62MAS look on a Tropic strap.

saccades

SBGA011J (snowflake spring drive) and a SRPB99K1 (PADI pepsi samurai).

Cienciano

OmegaGene wrote: »

€6k isn’t enough lol I’d need more money

Omega Seamaster quartz black wave dial for a daily beater
Omega seamaster chrono with ceramic bezel
Planet ocean then to finish off the set
If there is a few quid left then I would pick up a TAG Heuer aquaracer calibrate 5 (way201b)

I have had all of them and they are cracking watches and they can be picked up used and in good condition very reasonable
I never buy new personally and let someone else take the initial hit

You're only allowed 2, so as punishment for breaking the rules you only get the first watch on your list and forfeit the rest.

The_Guvnor

I have changed my mind on my two:
Rolex Explorer 39mm 214270 (5500 Euro UK RRP)
Steinhart Ocean One Green 42mm (395 Euro including delivery)
https://www.rolex.com/watches/explorer/m214270-0003.html
https://www.steinhartwatches.de/en/diver-watch/ocean-1-green-723.html

Wibbs

Going vintage as is my wont, six grand can still get you some nice bits and bobs. If I was going for more than one watch I'd go three:

Breil Marina Militare.



Actually issued diving watch for the Italian Navy from the late 70's to late 80's. Timed and checked by Longines in Milan. By far the cheapest never sold to the public military specific diving watch. They go for between 800-1000(get one with bracelet). The equivalent from other navies are far more expensive so still a "bargain" IMHO.

Omega Marine Chronometer.



Mid 70's in house quartz movement, from a time when Omega were head and shoulders above everyone else in that new tech. One of the highest frequencies ever fitted to a wristwatch and the first wristwatch to set the same accuracy levels as Harrison marine chronometers(under 6 seconds per year IIRC) and all without external sources. Each one was individually certified as a marine chronometer. They were crazy money when new. Fifteen Rolex Subs crazy money and are still one of the most accurate wristwatches you can get. They now go for around the 2000-2500 mark.

With the rest I'd look for a 50's 60's Longines with the 30L movement.



Preferably in gold and even more preferably one of the rare chronometer examples. That movement won a lot of chronometer awards for them. Longines are odd among the Swiss big boys in that they didn't certify too many of their watches for sale as chronometers. Even more odd when their record in the 20th century chronometer trials and competitions was so high. Until the 1960's they pretty much dominated them(with Zenith and a couple of others. Omega were variable but had caught up by the 1960's). Marques like Rolex and Patek weren't even in the game by comparison, even though the former registered the title "Superlative Chronometer" as a selling point.

So a fair bit of change left over. No Chronos, but I suppose the 80's Seiko 7A movement the first quartz analogue chronograph would round out the lineup. Better yet one of the UK RAF issued examples. They go for around the 1500 quid mark.

The_Guvnor

Lovely pieces. Thank you for the pictures and descriptions. I had only seen the Flagship before, and like the current reissue of it.
With regard to the Breil, is the bezel insert made from Bakelite or glass? I really like it, reminds me of the Seamaster 300.
Also did the Longines use plexiglass or sapphire crystal in that era?

Wibbs

VostokIreland wrote: »

With regard to the Breil, is the bezel insert made from Bakelite or glass?

Acrylic, though so many watch bezels are referred to as bakelite in sales and collectors descriptions, a description I have a few issues with. Bakelite is stiff and inflexible, attacked by damp and moisture which causes it to swell and crack all too easily, which makes it a pretty unsuitable material for a divers watch one would think, especially when better plastics were around. I could see bakelite as a material say pre 1940/50(though what bezelled watches existed had metal ones), but by the fifties and sixties, when the first actual modern divers watches came along many more plastics would be in play which would be far more suitable. Never mind that transparent flexible and waterproof plastics had been around for a long time, i.e. crystals. I could be wrong, but I suspect "bakelite" is more a collectors description than a reality. Certainly after 1970.

I really like it, reminds me of the Seamaster 300.

Similar enough, though divers watches from their very birth tended to look similar to each other. Far cheaper than a 300 especially as an issued piece. More robust than the original ones too. When the British bought in the Rolex Sub and the Seamaster, both were found to be not exactly to their liking; the Sub Mercedes hands were changed in short order, as was the bezel(I personally think the MOD hands and bezel much nicer), the 300 had a bigger problem in that the crown sealing wasn't up to the task and they had a tendency to come back from dives flooded and looking like a spirit level. No such issues with the Subs.

Also did the Longines use plexiglass or sapphire crystal in that era?

Acrylic/plexiglass at that stage in the game. Sapphire came later in the watch world. I can't recall seeing sapphire crystal before around the mid 70's though could be way off on that?

The_Guvnor

Interesting, thank you for the explanations.
With regards to the 5517 Milsub I think the MOD relumed them as they came with Tritium and that was radioactive?
Also what do you think of the CWC RN diver that replaced the Milsub?
Personally I love the 844 Monnin case they shared with Heuer (and many others of the time).
This is my favourite Heuer piece, made in France. I love the red numerals on the dial.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Heuer-844-Monnin-Automatic-Divers-Watch/263740676974?hash=item3d682b5b6e:g:P6EAAOSwEW9aULIk

Wibbs

VostokIreland wrote: »

With regards to the 5517 Milsub I think the MOD relumed them as they came with Tritium and that was radioactive?

It was more down to the divers requesting the Omega hands as they saw them as more legible in use. Plus the UK MOD ran with tritium until around 2000. The CWC had tritium when it came along(they had a brief dalliance with polonium, but the glow doesn't last long). Tritium while radioactive is (unlike Radium which is very "hot) not a gamma emitter so the radiation is easily stopped by the crystal and case. Much of the issue with it is in manufacturing and disposal, rather than for the wearer. The US military still have Tritium dialled watches in their inventory(even though the majority of personnel wear G-Shocks and the like). EG The Marathon Divers and Navigators.



These use tritium encapsulated in vials so are even less likely to cause any contamination. Compared to non radioactive lume the radioactive stuff is superior. The best of the Luminova type stuff(I found Seiko the best) glows brightly for maybe an hour, often less, while Tritium isn't as initially bright keeps glowing with no outside help for around the twelve year mark(its half-life, though I have a French YEMA Superman diver from the late 80's that still glows faintly).

Also what do you think of the CWC RN diver that replaced the Milsub?

Nice watch. Well made.

Wibbs

OmegaGene wrote: »

That omega is the nuts

Yeah. Very cool piece. Large watch though and built like a Tiger Tank. If it runs outa battery power it would still be useful as a knuckle duster. One of the loudest Ticks of any watch I've heard. More like a once per second clunk. They were their most expensive watch at the time and one of the most expensive in their history. Their quartz development costs hit them hard in the end. Now that two grand will buy one it's kinda mad. Two grand is hardly chump change, but consider that a basic mechanical Omega from the same time could get that.

Because of their power requirements batteries usually only last about 9 months. Servicing is not cheap if a part needs replacement. though that's relative as servicing these days through the Swiss marques is pricey and getting pricier.

And at least Omega still have the parts and support them. Almost none of the other marques keep spares for their old quartz movements. Since the mechanical is authentic revival it can be a period of time they and their advertisers would rather forget... Longines aren't too bad, but even there on one of their latest ads for their VHP quartz they showed their Longines UltraQuartz from 1971 and it clearly had a replacement non standard movement as the second hand ticked whereas the original was a very smooth sweeping hand. Rolex still support and service their OysterQuartz which is a beautifully made and finished movement and easy to argue of a far higher standard than their automatics of the time. They also kept it going for over twenty years. At one point Rolex were developing a digital LED watch but thought better of trying to compete in that market at the time. Breitling are another marque that kept some faith with quartz, kept improving on it and still do. Seiko too.

Cienciano

Sorry Wibbs, you picked too many. Either 1 or 2.

2shea

I have been eyeing up one of them The Marathon Navigators for a while now. Seem to be around the €250-300 Mark anyone know where they can be got for cheaper?

artanevilla

I'd get a Speedmaster Racing Co-Axial Chrono 40mm probably. Too many options with the change, there's a lot of watches I want at that price range.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

I agree the Speedmaster Racing is a very nice piece. Mine if off to servicing at the moment and I miss it. Most comfortable strap ever.



For 6k I would (and did) go for a second hand milgauss...



A dress watch would be nice, but I dont wear a suit to work, and really a sports watch is more me.

2shea

Alfred Stocky Matchmaker wrote: »

I agree the Speedmaster Racing is a very nice piece. Mine if off to servicing at the moment and I miss it.

For 6k I would (and did) go for a second hand milgauss

A dress watch would be nice, but I dont wear a suit to work, and really a sports watch is more me.

It's such a cool watch the Milgauss and the idea behind it's design. How cool is the green tint visible at the edge and lighting inspired minute hand.

Wibbs

2shea wrote: »

I have been eyeing up one of them The Marathon Navigators for a while now. Seem to be around the €250-300 Mark anyone know where they can be got for cheaper?

I've seen them the odd time on eBay for closer to 200 quid, but from America and gone are the days where watches might get through bypassing customs. Great little watch, very robust, but they have no weight to them, which I liked, but others might find them flimsy. The lume is fantastic.

2shea

Wibbs wrote: »

I've seen them the odd time on eBay for closer to 200 quid, but from America and gone are the days where watches might get through bypassing customs. Great little watch, very robust, but they have no weight to them, which I liked, but others might find them flimsy. The lume is fantastic.

I might ask my brother to pick me one up so hes based over there at the moment.

unkel

2shea wrote: »

So say you were given €6000 could either buy a new Rolex or spend it on 2 cheaper watches

I'd walk into a casino, put it all on black. If I lost, I'd cry. If I won I'd go out and find me a hulk :cool:

Edser

Maybe a bit boring, but would probably be a no date sub..



Just so versatile..

unkel

I would not call that boring at all. And the no date makes for a far nicer watch in my book.

I was in the big Rolex store on 5th Avenue in Manhattan a couple of weeks ago. When I entered, the man asked me was I interested in any specific model so he could get it out and I could try it on. I said, no thanks and that I was just having a browse. Then I changed my mind and said: "unless you have a Hulk?". The answer: "Oh, no, Sir."

Saw the Milgauss with the green detailing that fitzgeme posted and it really was a stunning watch. Thinking about it now, I was a right fool not to ask the man to try it on

Wibbs

Edser wrote: »

Maybe a bit boring, but would probably be a no date sub...

Not boring in my book E*. When non watch folks ask me(as a watch nerd) what's a "good" new watch to buy for themselves or a loved one, my reply(depending on budget) is along the lines of; a Seiko Diver, a Rolex Sub, a Casio G-Shock, an Omega Seamaster, or Speedie if they want extra functions/buttons(and Space), or a "classic" Tag Heuer, chrono or otherwise. That list right there will cause about the least buyers remorse and will be "lifetime" watches for those who aren't watch eye swivelling dribblers fans like ourselves.

Funny I didn't take my own advice. I've had every one of the above watches on my wrist in my time, but never truly got on with them. I'm a contrary bastard at the best of times to be fair.






*though why don't Rolex release a Sub that looks like the Milsub. Much nicer looking watch in my humble.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

(Warning opinions of fitzgeme ahead, no offence intended to anyone this is my 2c is all)

Problem with the Sub and the GMT 2 for me is threefold :

1. the size, they are a little small. I agree the no date is a lot cleaner looking but in general they are 2mm too small. The Omega Seamaster, or the Seadweller are a much better size for a diver.

2. Also with the sub and gmt....everyone has one, or the seiko look alike, or the stienhart look alike ( they make theirs 2mm bigger see point 1 above), lot of homage watches out there. Now that probably because its a cracking looking classic watch but there are a lot out there. Also they are the most faked so a lot of shifty ones floating around. You cannot tell one from a distance any more.

3. The stupid pricing and self perpetuating market built on lack of supply. Rolex has whipped demand up to fever pitch on these models. The second hand market is all to willing to go along with the hysteria. The dealers are revealing in the exclusivity. Everyone is having fun except jonny punter who is paying 12k for a small SS watch with clashing colours and no complications...its bonkers. A solid gold sub...I get that.

I chose the milgauss, despite a GMT2 and a sub on the table in front of me because at least it was different than all the divers in my collection, and unusually fun for a rolex..but still a simple and classic aesthetic.. And seeing as they are so bloody unpopular.....a future rare classic . I like the backstory and the history, but I see that the madness is hitting the explorer 2's now and soon onto the milgauss too I assume.

Generally the Swiss are inflating the prices, all the brands are at it....begining to thing a grand seiko springdrive might be the way to go. Horologically a very significant piece. Snowflake dial would take the sight out of your eyes.

6k doesnt take you very far anymore. Sold a SKX007 to try slim down the collection on adverts a few days ago. Had it on a strapcode oyster bracelet...its was a magnificent watch for the 200 euro, and likely all the watch most people would ever need. ( for 10 - 15 years until it stops)

Wibbs

Alfred Stocky Matchmaker wrote: »

Generally the Swiss are inflating the prices, all the brands are at it....

Yep FG, they are and have been since the 90's. Never mind their escalating service charges. I personally wouldn't buy a new Swiss watch from most of the main names. IMHO they're taking the piss. And again IMHO that bubble is right at the point of bursting, no matter how many watch "journalists" regurgitating press releases and sadomasochistic eejits waving their "I can afford this and you can't" willies on sites like Hoodwinkee or WatchUSeek claim otherwise.

begining to thing a grand seiko springdrive might be the way to go. Horologically a very significant piece. Snowflake dial would take the sight out of your eyes.

I'd get behind that FG.

6k doesnt take you very far anymore. Sold a SKX007 to try slim down the collection on adverts a few days ago. Had it on a strapcode oyster bracelet...its was a magnificent watch for the 200 euro, and likely all the watch most people would ever need. ( for 10 - 15 years until it stops)

Yup.

Edser

unkel wrote: »

I would not call that boring at all. And the no date makes for a far nicer watch in my book.

Wibbs wrote: »

Not boring in my book E*.

Ok, maybe predictable is a better word

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Edser wrote: »

Ok, maybe predictable is a better word

A classic and timeless choice

artanevilla

Should a date be on a Diver in the first place? How long are you going to be down there like?

Wibbs

artanevilla wrote: »

Should a date be on a Diver in the first place? How long are you going to be down there like?

Aye. The originals of the species that gave us the divers of today from Rolex, Omega, Blancpain and Longines were date free.











I'd say a couple of things changed that; Rolex who came up with the date window itself naturally added it to more of their watches and when the patent/copyright went(I presume? Though it showed up very quickly with others. Paid for the licence?) others added this useful feature to their own.

Secondly divers went from actual tool watches usually only sold through diving supply shops not jewellers became more accepted as everyday watches and "desk divers"(for good reason as a dive watch is as practical as you can get). From what I gather these days no date watches are a hard sell to the general public. When Longines brought out their vintage reissue two crown diver the no date version was/is by a long way the rarest to see.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

artanevilla wrote: »

Should a date be on a Diver in the first place? How long are you going to be down there like?

Well if you have a helium release valve...the idea is you down at depth for days or weeks. I am not a fan of the cyclops, its a trap for dirt and skuzz, and makes reading the time around the 3 oclock area weird. It is iconic however, but date complications without it look so much cleaner and symmetrical. Its like cyndy crawfords mole.

artanevilla

I suppose the date now serves to remind you how slowly time passes when sitting at a desk.

IrishPlayer

My First choice would be:

Omega Seamaster cal 1020 with day/date. Always wanted an Omega, would love a blue dial but not sure if they are redials or not.
Second choice would be:

Zodiac SST 36000
When i was looking for something other than a Omega i found Zodiacs . Really cool looking watches,first heard about them watching the 2007 film about the zodiac killer that had a Zodiac Seawolf, was really tempted to buy one but the price was a bit too much and i found it hard to get information to compare pictures etc of movements etc to make sure it was correct. Also i was afraid parts servicing would be difficult.


I know i can only choose 2, but i also want to mention:

Omega Memomatic
Mechanical alarm watch like the Bell-Matic, but as in the ad, it is self winding. After finding the Bell-Matic i really like mechanical alarm watches and being an Omega it ticked both boxes, really wish they made a day/date version.

FingerDeKat

https://www.uhrinstinkt.com/junghans-meister-chronoscope-027-4528.45.html?c=1809


https://www.tudorwatch.com/watches/black-bay/m79230r-0005



Would get a vostok with the change as well

2shea

So do most people think spending €6k on a Rolex/brand of choice would be better then getting 2 off a "lesser" brand for say €3k each?

Thinking now if I was in that situation I would go for 2 watches rather then 1...but I imagine I'd loose alot of money on the two watches rather then the one Luxary piece.

I know I'm going back on what I said at the start about not worrying about having to ever sell them, but realistically it would be a factor. Or would it?

FingerDeKat

I don't know enough about watches enough to 'flip' them for a profit so I'd buy to wear rather than thinking about profit so yes I'd buy 2 new and wear them

2shea

FingerDeKat wrote: »

I don't know enough about watches enough to 'flip' them for a profit so I'd buy to wear rather than thinking about profit so yes I'd buy 2 new and wear them

I don't think you'd make a profit on any watch you buy new at retail. But I suppose what Im saying is which would hold it's value better and the way things are at this moment in time it would be a Rolex wouldn't it.

unkel

Wibbs wrote: »

"desk divers"

LOL! I guess I am a bit of a desk diver myself. I do swim and I like divers watches but ever since I was a little boy, going deeper under the water than about 3-4 meters gave me a headache and / or an earache and generally made me uncomfortable

Great post Wibbs as always. You know there are lots of us out here appreciating your posts very much.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

2shea wrote: »

So do most people think spending €6k on a Rolex/brand of choice would be better then getting 2 off a "lesser" brand for say €3k each?

Thinking now if I was in that situation I would go for 2 watches rather then 1...but I imagine I'd loose alot of money on the two watches rather then the one Luxary piece.

I know I'm going back on what I said at the start about not worrying about having to ever sell them, but realistically it would be a factor. Or would it?

Look things can happen, emergencies and rainy days. If you buy second hand Rolex and you hold it for a few years you will probably get you money back, and quickly because people want these watches. If you buy new, the depreciation will mean you need to hold for a lot longer to get you money out if you need it. Patek and AP also have good value, but they are slow to sell.

Other brands like Omega have value, but they are slower to sell and dont really stop depreciating. Its always nice to know that while you enjoy your watch, you also have money in the bank should you need it.....anywhere in the world, a Rolex is a recognizable currency and enough to post your bail usually..:)

Flipping for profit is a dangerous game, personally if I were holding a hulk, or Kermit or Batman I would get out of them now. Another thing to factor in is thatI think if you have 10 watches, there is one that spends 90% of its time being worn. Having just one good one would be very liberating and get you away from this addiction.