What are people's thoughts on the effect of cap reform on land rental costs? For exa

bosallagh88

Sorry for long winded post!

bosallagh88

Example ap 80 acres near me made 250 an acre with no entitlements some of it would be heavy ground

wrangler

bosallagh88 wrote: »

Example ap 80 acres near me made 250 an acre with no entitlements some of it would be heavy ground

Most farmers have their own entitlements so there's more customers for land without etitlements,
I did it both ways last year and the land without entitlements made a good bit more

Siamsa Sessions

Is it only dairy farmers driving rents? Or is it drystock people with hefty entitlements too?

Bass Reeves

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Is it only dairy farmers driving rents? Or is it drystock people with hefty entitlements too?

If drystock farmers have hefty entitlements usually they have them because of stacking thereby reducing rented land. In area's where there is little tillage and dairying rents are a lot lower than in area's where bother of these sectors are present in a large scale.

Locally and the land is fairy good I seldom hear of rents eceeding 150/acre and often hear of rents at 100/acre. With the money out of drystock I would not pay more than that myself.

bosallagh88

wrangler wrote: »

bosallagh88 wrote: »

Example ap 80 acres near me made 250 an acre with no entitlements some of it would be heavy ground

Most farmers have their own entitlements so there's more customers for land without etitlements,
I did it both ways last year and the land without entitlements made a good bit more

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Wrangler do u mean u set the ground or rented it ?

wrangler

bosallagh88 wrote: »

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Wrangler do u mean u set the ground or rented it ?

Set the land, I sold most of the sheep last year.

Muckit

wrangler wrote: »

Set the land, I sold most of the sheep last year.

Off topic, but going from fulltime to retirement..... how are you finding the change? Should have done it sooner or are you struggling with the change? Just u hear diff stories from those that retire ftom any job.

wrangler

Muckit wrote: »

Off topic, but going from fulltime to retirement..... how are you finding the change? Should have done it sooner or are you struggling with the change? Just u hear diff stories from those that retire ftom any job.

Happy to take it easy at the moment anyway, I suppose everyone would like to go on forever but no one can.
For instance we still have some sheep here and was dosing them today, I had to wear supports on both knees or I'd be crippled.....and that was only 200 sheep, we often had 550 sheep in for a days work in the past., 200 ewes and 350 lambs
Tenants pulled up a lot of the internal sheep fences so i put all the stakes and some of the wire up in the boundaries and I also cleared a lifetimes rubbish and I sold a lot of stuff so not really idle, but i can see I will struggle with the change when the work settles down.
It's hard to see someone else farming your land too, but happy enough with those that are in

bosallagh88

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Is it only dairy farmers driving rents? Or is it drystock people with hefty entitlements too?

If drystock farmers have hefty entitlements usually they have them because of stacking thereby reducing rented land. In area's where there is little tillage and dairying rents are a lot lower than in area's where

bother of these sectors are present in a large scale.

Locally and the land is fairy good I seldom hear of rents eceeding 150/acre and often hear of rents at 100/acre. With the money out of drystock I would not pay more than that myself.

Say the lad paying £250 an acre beside me what’s the maximum amount he could be getting per hectare on his SFP? Or is there no cap on the entitlement value?

wrangler

bosallagh88 wrote: »

Say the lad paying £250 an acre beside me what’s the maximum amount he could be getting per hectare on his SFP? Or is there no cap on the entitlement value?

There was no maximum up till the last CAP reform in 2013/14 but since then they have put the screws on them, the planned maximum for 2020 is €700/ha or over €250/acre, everyone with above average entitlements have had them severely cut over the last 5 years

bosallagh88

wrangler wrote: »

bosallagh88 wrote: »

Say the lad paying £250 an acre beside me what’s the maximum amount he could be getting per hectare on his SFP? Or is there no cap on the entitlement value?

There was no maximum up till the last CAP reform in 2013/14 but since then they have put the screws on them, the planned maximum for 2020 is €700/ha or over €250/acre, everyone with above average
entitlements have had them severely cut over the last 5 years

Is there a cap on high value entitlements this year?

wrangler

bosallagh88 wrote: »

Is there a cap on high value entitlements this year?

I'm sure there's no one more than 800/ha this year, the cap is actually 700/ha in 2019

Base price

wrangler what are the current rules on young farmers claiming entitlements vis a vie farming in their own right versus farming in partnership with their parents.

wrangler

Base price wrote: »

wrangler what are the current rules on young farmers claiming entitlements vis a vie farming in their own right versus farming in partnership with their parents.

I've forgotten all the rules, but googled it anyway.
Here's a simple explanation.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/schemes/are-you-eligible-for-the-2018-national-reserve-and-young-farmers-scheme-36581412.html

Bass Reeves

wrangler wrote: »

I'm sure there's no one more than 800/ha this year, the cap is actually 700/ha in 2019

There was some entitlements well above 1K pre the last change. As well you could have stacked in that change. I imagine that there are still entitlements above 1K but they are few enough.

bosallagh88

Bass Reeves wrote: »

wrangler wrote: »

I'm sure there's no one more than 800/ha this year, the cap is actually 700/ha in 2019

There was some entitlements well above 1K pre the last change. As well you could have stacked in that change. I imagine that there are still entitlements above 1K but they are few enough.

So what do people think the next cap reform will bring possibly a more production based payment with this year
or last year as a reference year ?