15000 illegal adoptions

ygolometsipe

"There may have been up to 15,000 illegal adoptions in Ireland where adoptive parents were registered as birth parents, Barnardos chief executive Fergus Finlay has said.

His comment follows the announcement on Tuesday by the Minister for Children, Katherine Zappone that Tusla, the Child and Family Agency, is to contact 126 people to tell them their births were incorrectly registered."

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/there-may-be-15-000-illegal-adoptions-barnardos-head-claims-1.3513517%3fmode=amp

‘I screamed and roared at his disappearance, and a nun slapped me right across the face’

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/adoption-controversy-my-son-was-stolen-and-illegally-adopted-1.3516650%3fmode=amp

I don't know how the Catholic church is still tolerated. I understand belief in God but this plus the letterfrack case s plus the unbelievable child abuse stories.

I feel so sorry to all the people that suffered. I was very lucky to be born in the later part of the 1900s.. otherwise it would have been me.

I'm not trying to troll anyone but it makes me so angry. I really hate the Catholic church. They have warped views on all things including suicide(was previously not allowed to be buried on consecrated ground) lgbt, sexuality in general is shameful and sinful the list goes on.

If only people could see the light, you would be better off without them. We could use all that tax free money they collect to actually help people. Starting with the survivors and their families.

Kristopherus

So ??????

judeboy101

Every woman/girl went into a mother and baby home with the express permission of their family and the state. People rightly attack the RC over their treatment of women/girls and babies, but forget that the ultimate betrayal was a familial one.

Captain Red Beard

I agree with everything you've just said op. The amount of criminality associated with the church rivals organised crime. Mind boggling how people can ignore it.

Captain Red Beard

judeboy101 wrote: »

Every woman/girl went into a mother and baby home with the express permission of their family and the state. People rightly attack the RC over their treatment of women/girls and babies, but forget that the ultimate betrayal was a familial one.

Not strictly true. The local priest, church, convent could turn a village against a family. The pressure must have been terrible to 'do the right thing'.

kneemos

judeboy101 wrote: »

Every woman/girl went into a mother and baby home with the express permission of their family and the state. People rightly attack the RC over their treatment of women/girls and babies, but forget that the ultimate betrayal was a familial one.

Society was indoctrinated and poisoned by church bull****.

You can look to some south American or African regions today to see just how it works.

HONKEY TONK

While the RCC have a large part to play is this, what about the adoptive parents who willingly went along with the charade.

They knew they were getting put down as the birth parents and said and did nothing at the time

Donald Trump

I think that those who were sold off to rich Yanks and had idealistic upbringings while their cousins and future siblings struggled in the miserable conditions of Ireland in the 60's/70's/80's should do the right thing and feckin' share a bit of their good fortune with the ones who had to stay behind

Graces7

Watch online the documentary "Sex in a Cold Climate"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtxOePGgXPs&t=4s

I know one of the women featured; when she got out she went home and became a leading light in her local parish/church

Graces7

Donald Trump wrote: »

I think that those who were sold off to rich Yanks and had idealistic upbringings while their cousins and future siblings struggled in the miserable conditions of Ireland in the 60's/70's/80's should do the right thing and feckin' share a bit of their good fortune with the ones who had to stay behind

Most of them have no idea who they were born as.

SEPT 23 1989

will the records of who bought the stolen childen be made available?

Birneybau

This country was and still occasionally is an absolute disgrace to its populace

Your Face

You should do something about it, OP.

judeboy101

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

judeboy101 wrote: »

Every woman/girl went into a mother and baby home with the express permission of their family and the state. People rightly attack the RC over their treatment of women/girls and babies, but forget that the ultimate betrayal was a familial one.

Not strictly true. The local priest, church, convent could turn a village against a family. The pressure must have been terrible to 'do the right thing'.

They still buckled, I know of families that didn't buckle. There is a special place in hell for betrayal.

Mrs OBumble

Birneybau wrote: »

This country was and still occasionally is an absolute disgrace to its populace

Eh? This country basically is it's populace.

Also, the CoI were at it as well.

Also, this isn't a problem of catholicity: If anything it's just the opposite: if people actually followed Christian teaching, there would have been no babies born to unmarried women.

Birneybau

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Birneybau wrote: »

This country was and still occasionally is an absolute disgrace to its populace

Eh? This country basically is it's populace.

Also, the CoI were at it as well.

Also, this isn't a problem of catholicity: If anything it's just the opposite: if people actually followed Christian teaching, there would have been no babies born to unmarried women.

By this country, I meant the ruling classes, the institutions.

bluefinger

What baffles me is that the many of the same people who will jump on the latest anti Church bandwagon will happily continue to christen, communion and confirm their children.

Rape kids? Ah sure little Johnny needs to be baptised to get into school.

Throw babies in holes? Ah sure everyone's having a communion, wouldn't be right to leave him out.

Refuse abortions in rc patronised hospitals? Ah it's the girlfriend just wants a nice church wedding.

Hypocrites

The institution is rotten yet every year new life is breathed into it by cultural Catholicism.

Balmed Out

SEPT 23 1989 wrote:

will the records of who bought the stolen childen be made available?

???

dotsman

judeboy101 wrote: »

Every woman/girl went into a mother and baby home with the express permission of their family and the state. People rightly attack the RC over their treatment of women/girls and babies, but forget that the ultimate betrayal was a familial one.

I absolutely hate when this line of BS is rolled out. Either it shows complete ignorance of the situation, is a complete denial made by a RC extremist or is simply trolling (in a bad, unfunny way).

Who is it, do you, turned that family against their daughter/sister? It must have been a very powerful force to turn a mother and father, who's very natural instinct is to protect and love their child.

I'll give you a clue - in 2018, there are girls being murdered in so-called "honour killings" due to the exact same circumstances. Answer? - Religious extremists who brainwash society into doing the most evil, unnatural things, all in the name of "god". They do so by creating a society where the religious leaders have all the power in determining "morality", which they define by reading and interpreting texts written, primarily, by evil sociopaths or politicians, starting their indoctrination from a person's birth, and especially through that person's childhood/education all the way through to and continuing throughout adulthood.

MyStubbleItches

Kristopherus wrote: »

So ??????

What's the point of your post? First in? The OP is highlighting and opening discussion on a national scandal and that's all you can come up with? Why bother?

greencap

Captain Red Beard wrote: »

Not strictly true. The local priest, church, convent could turn a village against a family. The pressure must have been terrible to 'do the right thing'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgds3lHS1YQ

EdgeCase

It sounds extremely similar to the scandals that went on in Spain.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-15335899

In Spanish

https://politica.elpais.com/politica/2017/06/02/actualidad/1496424386_208833.html

Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_children_of_Francoism

Hermy

judeboy101 wrote: »

Every woman/girl went into a mother and baby home with the express permission of their family and the state. People rightly attack the RC over their treatment of women/girls and babies, but forget that the ultimate betrayal was a familial one.

Why did families think that way?

AllForIt

judeboy101 wrote: »

Every woman/girl went into a mother and baby home with the express permission of their family and the state. People rightly attack the RC over their treatment of women/girls and babies, but forget that the ultimate betrayal was a familial one.

Culture is a bizarre phenomenon to me. It takes away ppl's conscience and critical faculties. It has taken decades to change our culture to the one we have now, and what a struggle that has been. Humans are weird.

irishproduce

judeboy101 wrote: »

Every woman/girl went into a mother and baby home with the express permission of their family and the state. People rightly attack the RC over their treatment of women/girls and babies, but forget that the ultimate betrayal was a familial one.

Its like the honour system in Islam

I'm still waiting for a story to break about Irish children being sent to foreign countries for religious vocation reasons. A lady I know well was, as a 15-year-old, sent to an enclosed order of nuns in a European city in the 1950s, where she stayed for years. 20 or so other Irish girls went with her in that group alone. How many other Irish children were similarly sent abroad? (remember in the days prior to free education, a poor family could only get free secondary education by "choosing" a religious route for their child). She's now in her 80s. Will such people all be dead before this is publicly acknowledged?

It's as if this never happened. I wish the fúcking universities would stop funding political/elite history and start funding social history in this state. Compared to France, social history might as well not exist in Ireland. Needless to say what country the Oirish history departments in our universities are aping there!